Bechamann Signs Christian Sharia

netrox · 07-08-2011, 05:44 PM

It just gets amazing... Bachemann signs this marriage pledge:

The Candidate Vow:

Therefore, in any elected or appointed capacity by which I may have the honor of serving our fellow citizens in these United States, I the undersigned do hereby solemnly vow to honor and to cherish, to defend and to uphold, the Institution of Marriage as only between one man and one woman. I vow to do so through my:

--Personal fidelity to my spouse.
--Respect for the marital bonds of others.
--Official fidelity to the U.S. Constitution, supporting the elevation of none but faithful constitutionalists as judges or justices.
--Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage - faithful monogamy between one man and one woman - through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous, polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc.
--Recognition of the overwhelming statistical evidence that married people enjoy better health, better sex, longer lives, greater financial stability, and that children raised by a mother and a father together experience better learning, less addiction, less legal trouble, and less extramarital pregnancy.
--Support for prompt reform of uneconomic, anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy, and marital/divorce law, and extended "second chance" or "cooling-off" periods for those seeking a "quickie divorce."
--Earnest, bona fide legal advocacy for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) at the federal and state levels.
--Steadfast embrace of a federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which protects the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman in all of the United States.
--Humane protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy - our next generation of American children - from human trafficking, sexual slavery, seduction into promiscuity, and all forms of pornography and prostitution, infanticide, abortion and other types of coercion or stolen innocence.
--Support for the enactment of safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. Military and National Guard personnel, especially our combat troops, from inappropriate same-gender or opposite-gender sexual harassment, adultery or intrusively intimate commingling among attracteds (restrooms, showers, barracks, tents, etc.); plus prompt termination of military policymakers who would expose American wives and daughters to rape or sexual harassment, torture, enslavement or sexual leveraging by the enemy in forward combat roles.
--Rejection of Sharia Islam and all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control.
--Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial health and security.
--Commitment to downsizing government and the enormous burden upon American families of the USA's $14.3 trillion public debt, its $77 trillion in unfunded liabilities, its $1.5 trillion federal deficit, and its $3.5 trillion federal budget.
--Fierce defense of the First Amendment's rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech, especially against the intolerance of any who would undermine law-abiding American citizens and institutions of faith and conscience for their adherence to, and defense of, faithful heterosexual monogamy."

Bob Vander Plaats, Iowa Social Conservative Kingmaker, Unveils A New Pledge For 2012ers

Really? The pledge is definitely imposing Christian-style Sharia on Americans!

jillio · 07-08-2011, 06:11 PM

This is getting to be disturbing.

**deafskeptic** · 07-08-2011, 06:48 PM

Now why am I thinking of The Handmaid's Tale all of a sudden?

**sallylou** · 07-08-2011, 07:13 PM

Oh, good! All patriarchial religion is all anti-woman. Not going to miss it.

TheOracle · 07-08-2011, 07:17 PM

Please don't say 'sharia' like it's a bad word, and don't say 'Christian sharia' as it just puts forth an impression that you have a distaste for Muslims.

netrox · 07-08-2011, 07:20 PM

Yes, indeed. It's really a horrible pledge. I have no problems if they do themselves, but to impose their values on others, that's when I have a problem with that.

netrox · 07-08-2011, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Please don't say 'sharia' like it's a bad word, and don't say 'Christian sharia' as it just puts forth an impression that you have a distaste for Muslims.

Sharia is bad! It demeans all non-Muslims.

**saywhatkid** · 07-08-2011, 08:33 PM

It paints you in a bad way when you fail to spell the candidate's name correctly. Just a FYI.

**sallylou** · 07-08-2011, 09:00 PM

It paints a candidate bad when everything that she says is factually incorrect.

Here's your cite:

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...hele-bachmann/

Seven pants on fire! Impressive!

jillio · 07-08-2011, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sallylou

It paints a candidate bad when everything that she says is factually incorrect.

Absolutely. And I am much more concerned about that than a poster's spelling.

**sallylou** · 07-08-2011, 09:05 PM

To be fair, she has one fact check that is true.

jillio · 07-08-2011, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sallylou

To be fair, she has one fact check that is true.

Well, she has been vindcated, then!

TheOracle · 07-09-2011, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netrox

Sharia is bad! It demeans all non-Muslims.

No different than Christian or Jewish law - laws that look down on other faiths as well.

netrox · 07-09-2011, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOracle

No different than Christian or Jewish law - laws that look down on other faiths as well.

Duh! When they impose their religious values on people that don't share their values, it's bad. Only secular values treat them equally.

TheOracle · 07-09-2011, 05:40 AM

Seculars don't treat religious people equally.

**deafskeptic** · 07-09-2011, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Seculars don't treat religious people equally.

Hmm, when was the last time you saw an openly atheist politician in this country?

kbnyc · 07-09-2011, 08:18 AM

I wonder what Gingrich's reaction will be...

"Sure, I'll sign. About that first part though..."

**Reba** · 07-09-2011, 09:35 AM

In this pledge for candidates, is it specifically the bold sentence that is the problem?

**Foxrac** · 07-09-2011, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netrox

It just gets amazing... Bachemann signs this marriage pledge:

The Candidate Vow:

Therefore, in any elected or appointed capacity by which I may have the honor of serving our fellow citizens in these United States, I the undersigned do hereby solemnly vow to honor and to cherish, to defend and to uphold, the Institution of Marriage as only between one man and one woman. I vow to do so through my:

--Personal fidelity to my spouse.
--Respect for the marital bonds of others.
--Official fidelity to the U.S. Constitution, supporting the elevation of none but faithful constitutionalists as judges or justices.
--Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage - faithful monogamy between one man and one woman - through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous, polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc.
--Recognition of the overwhelming statistical evidence that married people enjoy better health, better sex, longer lives, greater financial stability, and that children raised by a mother and a father together experience better learning, less addiction, less legal trouble, and less extramarital pregnancy.
--Support for prompt reform of uneconomic, anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy, and marital/divorce law, and extended "second chance" or "cooling-off" periods for those seeking a "quickie divorce."
--Earnest, bona fide legal advocacy for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) at the federal and state levels.
--Steadfast embrace of a federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which protects the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman in all of the United States.
--Humane protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy - our next generation of American children - from human trafficking, sexual slavery, seduction into promiscuity, and all forms of pornography and prostitution, infanticide, abortion and other types of coercion or stolen innocence.
--Support for the enactment of safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. Military and National Guard personnel, especially our combat troops, from inappropriate same-gender or opposite-gender sexual harassment, adultery or intrusively intimate commingling among attracteds (restrooms, showers, barracks, tents, etc.); plus prompt termination of military policymakers who would expose American wives and daughters to rape or sexual harassment, torture, enslavement or sexual leveraging by the enemy in forward combat roles.
--Rejection of Sharia Islam and all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control.
--Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial health and security.
--Commitment to downsizing government and the enormous burden upon American families of the USA's $14.3 trillion public debt, its $77 trillion in unfunded liabilities, its $1.5 trillion federal deficit, and its $3.5 trillion federal budget.
--Fierce defense of the First Amendment's rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech, especially against the intolerance of any who would undermine law-abiding American citizens and institutions of faith and conscience for their adherence to, and defense of, faithful heterosexual monogamy."

Bob Vander Plaats, Iowa Social Conservative Kingmaker, Unveils A New Pledge For 2012ers

Really? The pledge is definitely imposing Christian-style Sharia on Americans!

**** **** **** to Bechmann!!!

She is perfectly fits to Constitution Party, that's far right wing party.

**TWA** · 07-09-2011, 09:43 AM

I found it a bit ironic how the entire pledge was a spew of intolerance and jingoism, and then the final component is "Fierce defense of the First Amendment's rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech"

LOL! Really?! Are people even aware of what they're saying?

DeafCaroline · 07-09-2011, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

I found it a bit ironic how the entire pledge was a spew of intolerance and jingoism, and then the final component is "Fierce defense of the First Amendment's rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech"

LOL! Really?! Are people even aware of what they're saying?

Hahaha! you noticed that too, eh?

**saywhatkid** · 07-09-2011, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netrox

Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial health and security.

**Banjo** · 07-09-2011, 10:46 AM

Now Palin has a real contender to run against!

darkdog · 07-09-2011, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

I found it a bit ironic how the entire pledge was a spew of intolerance and jingoism, and then the final component is "Fierce defense of the First Amendment's rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech"

LOL! Really?! Are people even aware of what they're saying?

I don't see the irony or contradiction. Does it advocate suppressing speech of anyone who disagrees with this pledge? Also, what's in there that's "jingoistic" that you find objectionable?

I'm not arguing for or against the document, but I don't see in it what you object to.

**Jiro** · 07-09-2011, 01:34 PM

jingo bell jingo bell jingo all the way

TheOracle · 07-09-2011, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Hmm, when was the last time you saw an openly atheist politician in this country?

Open you eyes and look at the rest of the world. Try being religious in France. See how well it works.

**Jiro** · 07-09-2011, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Open you eyes and look at the rest of the world. Try being religious in France. See how well it works.

have you lived in France?

TheOracle · 07-09-2011, 01:54 PM

Yes.

**Jiro** · 07-09-2011, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Yes.

pix or it didn't happen.

TheOracle · 07-09-2011, 02:06 PM

Yeah, that was back in the day where people still developed their film. I mentioned in the other thread re: universal sign the language issues with my French Jewish boyfriend. But this is Jiro I'm talking to, so I probably can't take you seriously.

07-08-2011, 05:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	Bechamann Signs Christian Sharia It just gets amazing... Bachemann signs this marriage pledge: The Candidate Vow: Therefore, in any elected or appointed capacity by which I may have the honor of serving our fellow citizens in these United States, I the undersigned do hereby solemnly vow to honor and to cherish, to defend and to uphold, the Institution of Marriage as only between one man and one woman. I vow to do so through my: --Personal fidelity to my spouse. --Respect for the marital bonds of others. --Official fidelity to the U.S. Constitution, supporting the elevation of none but faithful constitutionalists as judges or justices. --Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage - faithful monogamy between one man and one woman - through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous, polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc. --Recognition of the overwhelming statistical evidence that married people enjoy better health, better sex, longer lives, greater financial stability, and that children raised by a mother and a father together experience better learning, less addiction, less legal trouble, and less extramarital pregnancy. --Support for prompt reform of uneconomic, anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy, and marital/divorce law, and extended "second chance" or "cooling-off" periods for those seeking a "quickie divorce." --Earnest, bona fide legal advocacy for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) at the federal and state levels. --Steadfast embrace of a federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which protects the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman in all of the United States. --Humane protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy - our next generation of American children - from human trafficking, sexual slavery, seduction into promiscuity, and all forms of pornography and prostitution, infanticide, abortion and other types of coercion or stolen innocence. --Support for the enactment of safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. Military and National Guard personnel, especially our combat troops, from inappropriate same-gender or opposite-gender sexual harassment, adultery or intrusively intimate commingling among attracteds (restrooms, showers, barracks, tents, etc.); plus prompt termination of military policymakers who would expose American wives and daughters to rape or sexual harassment, torture, enslavement or sexual leveraging by the enemy in forward combat roles. --Rejection of Sharia Islam and all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control. --Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial health and security. --Commitment to downsizing government and the enormous burden upon American families of the USA's $14.3 trillion public debt, its $77 trillion in unfunded liabilities, its $1.5 trillion federal deficit, and its $3.5 trillion federal budget. --Fierce defense of the First Amendment's rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech, especially against the intolerance of any who would undermine law-abiding American citizens and institutions of faith and conscience for their adherence to, and defense of, faithful heterosexual monogamy." Bob Vander Plaats, Iowa Social Conservative Kingmaker, Unveils A New Pledge For 2012ers Really? The pledge is definitely imposing Christian-style Sharia on Americans!

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TheOracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,491	Please don't say 'sharia' like it's a bad word, and don't say 'Christian sharia' as it just puts forth an impression that you have a distaste for Muslims. __________________ In the confusion we stay with each other, happy to be together, speaking without uttering a single word. Question everyone. This is the Internet.

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netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	Yes, indeed. It's really a horrible pledge. I have no problems if they do themselves, but to impose their values on others, that's when I have a problem with that. jillio and deafskeptic like this.

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sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	It paints a candidate bad when everything that she says is factually incorrect. Here's your cite: http://www.politifact.com/personalit...hele-bachmann/ Seven pants on fire! Impressive! jillio and StSapphire like this. __________________

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sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	To be fair, she has one fact check that is true. __________________

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TheOracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,491	Seculars don't treat religious people equally. __________________ In the confusion we stay with each other, happy to be together, speaking without uttering a single word. Question everyone. This is the Internet.

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kbnyc Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 106	I wonder what Gingrich's reaction will be... "Sure, I'll sign. About that first part though..."

07-09-2011, 09:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,177	In this pledge for candidates, is it specifically the bold sentence that is the problem?

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TWA Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,374	I found it a bit ironic how the entire pledge was a spew of intolerance and jingoism, and then the final component is "Fierce defense of the First Amendment's rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech" LOL! Really?! Are people even aware of what they're saying?

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TheOracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,491	Yes. __________________ In the confusion we stay with each other, happy to be together, speaking without uttering a single word. Question everyone. This is the Internet.

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TheOracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,491	Yeah, that was back in the day where people still developed their film. I mentioned in the other thread re: universal sign the language issues with my French Jewish boyfriend. But this is Jiro I'm talking to, so I probably can't take you seriously. __________________ In the confusion we stay with each other, happy to be together, speaking without uttering a single word. Question everyone. This is the Internet.

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