Navy SEALs families in danger from leaks?

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 08:07 PM

Too many loose lips blabbing about the mission is a dangerous thing.

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Navy SEALs Want to Protect Their Identity Following UBL Kill
By Justin Fishel
Created 2011-05-12 16:04

Members of Navy SEAL team 6, the Special Operations unit responsible for killing Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden in Pakistan last Sunday, have expressed concerns about their safety and the safety of their families now that details of the mission have been made public.

Speaking to Marines at Camp Lejeune Thursday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the concerns were expressed to him directly a week ago when he met with members of the unit to congratulate them on their mission. Gates said the SEALs were mainly focused on their families and worried they could be subject to retaliatory attacks.

The original plan, Gates said, was to protect their identities completely by not releasing any information about the raid. "Frankly, a week ago Sunday in the Situation Room we all agreed that we would not release any operational details from the effort to take out bin Laden. That all fell apart on Monday, the next day."

Rather than keeping the details secret, intelligence officials and senior administration officials briefed members of the press. It quickly leaked out that the mission was performed by 24 members of the elite and classified counterterrorism SEAL squadron, known as SEAL team 6. Despite that leak, Gates says the government continues to protect their identities.

"There has been a consistent and effective effort to protect the identity of those that participated in the raid and I think that that has to continue." Gates added that the Pentagon is looking at ways to "pump up" their security even more.

Protecting servicemembers is also a major reason that Secretary Gates opposes the release of bin Laden's death photos. He said Thursday there is a legitimate concern among Obama's inner circle, to include Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, that if the photos got out they would be photoshopped in a way that could further inflame radical extremists and those sympathetic to bin Laden....

Navy SEALs Want to Protect Their Identity Following UBL Kill - FoxNews.com

kokonut · 05-13-2011, 08:28 PM

Sad but I'm sure someone will make sure that it gets leaked out.

Keep Biden away!

jillio · 05-13-2011, 08:29 PM

Not this shit again. Obsession, obsession, obsession.

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 08:33 PM

I was surprised that they let out so much information, right from the beginning. I hope they find out who the leak is and plug it.

kokonut · 05-13-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I was surprised that they let out so much information, right from the beginning. I hope they find out who the leak is and plug it.

And quick, too!

**Beowulf** · 05-13-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

And quick, too!

By locking the thread pronto?

SCBassist · 05-13-2011, 09:02 PM

You know the types, unauthorized to speak on condition of anonymity, they are either going to keep a low profile & relocate, or change identities altogether. BTW, about lawyers questioning the legality of the operation: WRONG! What bin laden did was illegal the world over, why didn't they go afterhim? Absent minded greedy idiots!

**sallylou** · 05-13-2011, 09:02 PM

I've never heard of protecting the identity of soldiers. It's not like they're undercover. Besides, it sends the message that the soldiers are afraid and that's giving power over to someone else.

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

I've never heard of protecting the identity of soldiers. It's not like they're undercover. Besides, it sends the message that the soldiers are afraid and that's giving power over to someone else.

That's the problem; civilians have no concept of military security.

Yes, SEAL teams are working undercover.

SEALs are not soldiers; they are sailors.

SEALs aren't afraid for themselves; they're afraid for their loved ones.

Yes, the family members of SEALs and other special ops teams are targeted. Sometimes it's just harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and vandalism.

The military is not supposed to confirm or deny any mission related information.

Once the sub pulls out, the wives of submarine crews don't know where their husbands are, or far how long they'll be gone. They don't know what they do while they're gone.

Breaches of security are very serious offenses in the military.

**Foxrac** · 05-13-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That's the problem; civilians have no concept of military security.

Yes, SEAL teams are working undercover.

SEALs are not soldiers; they are sailors.

SEALs aren't afraid for themselves; they're afraid for their loved ones.

Yes, the family members of SEALs and other special ops teams are targeted. Sometimes it's just harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and vandalism.

The military is not supposed to confirm or deny any mission related information.

Once the sub pulls out, the wives of submarine crews don't know where their husbands are, or far how long they'll be gone. They don't know what they do while they're gone.

Breaches of security are very serious offenses in the military.

What are you think about this article?
Conservative group sues over bin Laden death photos - CNN.com

I'm against to release the picture of Bin Laden who died in compound and don't want to see either.

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

What are you think about this article?
Conservative group sues over bin Laden death photos - CNN.com

I'm against to release the picture of Bin Laden who died in compound and don't want to see either.

I'm against release of the photos at this time.

jillio · 05-13-2011, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

What are you think about this article?
Conservative group sues over bin Laden death photos - CNN.com

I'm against to release the picture of Bin Laden who died in compound and don't want to see either.

I'm with you. I am against releasing the pictures. It just isn't necessary. It just feeds into some sick need to see the gore. We have DNA evidence that confirms his death. Release of pictures are not needed, and to demand that which has already been denied is nothing more than an attempt of a Conservative group to fill an anti-Obama administration agenda.

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Not this shit again. Obsession, obsession, obsession.

Who? Defense Secretary Gates?

jillio · 05-13-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Who? Defense Secretary Gates?

Uh, no.

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Uh, no.

He's the one who brought up the security problem.

**sallylou** · 05-13-2011, 09:55 PM

If they're supposed to be undercover, how is the media finding out their identities? Publicity pictures of them shouldn't even exist.

I do think that being afraid of terrorists gives them power that they shouldn't have. There's a always a risk. The power that we do have is how to react to the threat.

JoeyDeafNinja · 05-13-2011, 09:59 PM

Why against photos? I need to see it to prove me wrong. I still doesn't believe he is dead. Sorry but it is truth.

**TinCanSailor** · 05-13-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That's the problem; civilians have no concept of military security.

Yes, SEAL teams are working undercover.

SEALs are not soldiers; they are sailors.

SEALs aren't afraid for themselves; they're afraid for their loved ones.

Yes, the family members of SEALs and other special ops teams are targeted. Sometimes it's just harassing phone calls, threatening emails, and vandalism.

The military is not supposed to confirm or deny any mission related information.

Once the sub pulls out, the wives of submarine crews don't know where their husbands are, or far how long they'll be gone. They don't know what they do while they're gone.

Breaches of security are very serious offenses in the military.

I concur wholeheartedly. SEALs and others who do clandestine work must keep their identities protected. For example, they have duplicate personnel files - one as a Sailor and the other as a SEAL. Those special files are kept locked up differently to keep prying eyes out. Awards and medals for specific operations are never published and even the write-up citation is "missing" the details.

Today, it is even harder to keep photos from surfacing because of phone cameras and the like on ships. They are totally banned from submarines and high-security installations.

One tour of active duty I was on, I carried classified data in an unmarked briefcase that never left my side and wore "civilian clothing" while traveling overseas. Changed into my uniform after arriving on bases.

Other countries like Russia, China, North Korea would love to get any bit of intelligence. Kidnappings do still happen. We are already concerned as to the whereabouts of the helo tail that was taken by Pakistan.

jillio · 05-13-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

He's the one who brought up the security problem.

And?

jillio · 05-13-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyDeafNinja

Why against photos? I need to see it to prove me wrong. I still doesn't believe he is dead. Sorry but it is truth.

DNA proves it Joey. There is no need to release graphic photos of a man with his head blown off. You probably wouldn't even be able to tell it was him in the photos.

**Foxrac** · 05-13-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TinCanSailor

I concur wholeheartedly. SEALs and others who do clandestine work must keep their identities protected. For example, they have duplicate personnel files - one as a Sailor and the other as a SEAL. Those special files are kept locked up differently to keep prying eyes out. Awards and medals for specific operations are never published and even the write-up citation is "missing" the details.

Today, it is even harder to keep photos from surfacing because of phone cameras and the like on ships. They are totally banned from submarines and high-security installations.

One tour of active duty I was on, I carried classified data in an unmarked briefcase that never left my side and wore "civilian clothing" while traveling overseas. Changed into my uniform after arriving on bases.

Other countries like Russia, China, North Korea would love to get any bit of intelligence. Kidnappings do still happen. We are already concerned as to the whereabouts of the helo tail that was taken by Pakistan.

In bold, don't forget to add Venezuela, Ecuador and Iran to list. j/k

JoeyDeafNinja · 05-13-2011, 10:06 PM

DNA? I haven't heard about Osama DNA. Can you show me a link? Please?

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyDeafNinja

Why against photos? I need to see it to prove me wrong. I still doesn't believe he is dead. Sorry but it is truth.

Ever hear of Adobe Photoshop? For the doubters, pictures won't prove anything.

**sallylou** · 05-13-2011, 10:10 PM

I support the decision not to release photographs. I think that it was a wise decision.

jillio · 05-13-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyDeafNinja

DNA? I haven't heard about Osama DNA. Can you show me a link? Please?

I'll look for a direct link, but news sources have confirmed that DNA was taken and confirmed that the dead body was Osama's.

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

If they're supposed to be undercover, how is the media finding out their identities? Publicity pictures of them shouldn't even exist.

It's not about publicity pictures. It's about their identities (names, assignments, addresses).

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I do think that being afraid of terrorists gives them power that they shouldn't have. There's a always a risk. The power that we do have is how to react to the threat.

The SEALs aren't afraid of the terrorists. They're afraid for their families' safety, which could be threatened by terrorists or by war protestors or by nuts trying to make a name for themselves.

There wouldn't even be a threat if people kept their traps shut about mission details.

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And?

Who is obsessed?

jillio · 05-13-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Who is obsessed?

Again, my post stands on its own.

**Reba** · 05-13-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Again, my post stands on its own.

The old non answer.

**sallylou** · 05-13-2011, 10:25 PM

Once a picture is available, someone can identify them. There's a service that will tell you everything about a person once you have an identity. Everything about you, including your neighbors.

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sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	I've never heard of protecting the identity of soldiers. It's not like they're undercover. Besides, it sends the message that the soldiers are afraid and that's giving power over to someone else. jillio and KristinaB like this. __________________

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sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	If they're supposed to be undercover, how is the media finding out their identities? Publicity pictures of them shouldn't even exist. I do think that being afraid of terrorists gives them power that they shouldn't have. There's a always a risk. The power that we do have is how to react to the threat. jillio and KristinaB like this. __________________

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sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	I support the decision not to release photographs. I think that it was a wise decision. jillio and KristinaB like this. __________________

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05-13-2011, 08:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Not this shit again. Obsession, obsession, obsession.

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Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,147	I was surprised that they let out so much information, right from the beginning. I hope they find out who the leak is and plug it.

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JoeyDeafNinja Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Travelers Rest, SC Posts: 1,269	Why against photos? I need to see it to prove me wrong. I still doesn't believe he is dead. Sorry but it is truth.

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JoeyDeafNinja Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Travelers Rest, SC Posts: 1,269	DNA? I haven't heard about Osama DNA. Can you show me a link? Please?

05-13-2011, 10:25 PM	#30 (permalink)
sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	Once a picture is available, someone can identify them. There's a service that will tell you everything about a person once you have an identity. Everything about you, including your neighbors. __________________

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