French burqa ban goes into force on monday - Page 6

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

Google "Muslim veil"

I got both hijab and burqa.

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

You will see garments designed to cover one's face. Mostly wedding veils.

there you go. veil is just a piece of cloth for head. a very broad word.

burqa. hijab. these are specific type of veil.

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

it's called burqa.

Negative.

Not all face coverings are burqas in Muslim attire.

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I got both hijab and burqa.

What did you mostly get?

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

there you go. veil is just a piece of cloth for head. a very broad word.

burqa. hijab. these are specific type of veil.

Jiro...you're derailing my point. My point was that I had never heard of a woman in trouble for wearing a veil in NYC.

You responded with a post about a woman in Georgia wearing a hijab in a courtroom!

The French law is not the same as the NYC law. Hellloooo.

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

Negative.

Not all face coverings are burqas in Muslim attire.

well I specifically said a full-faced coverage... not "ninja attire".

why don't we just drop this farce? This is too trivial to quibble any further over "veil" word. Veil does not mean burqa or niqab. It can be anything. It's just simpler to say burqa if you're referring to burqa, not veil.

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

Jiro...you're derailing my point. My point was that I had never heard of a woman in trouble for wearing a veil in NYC.

You responded with a post about a woman in Georgia wearing a hijab in a courtroom!

The French law is not the same as the NYC law. Hellloooo.

again - the essence is same.

and the anti-mask law relating to KKK.

Steinhauer · 04-10-2011, 03:53 AM

Veils were worn quite often by women in the US half a century ago. They covered the face.

They were "fashionable". Lots of black and white movies show women wearing veils.

Steinhauer · 04-10-2011, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

well I specifically said a full-faced coverage... not "ninja attire".

why don't we just drop this farce? This is too trivial to quibble any further over "veil" word. Veil does not mean burqa or niqab. It can be anything. It's just simpler to say burqa if you're referring to burqa, not veil.

Ninjas wear veils?

That has to be harsh to be a ninja in France right now ...

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Veils were worn quite often by women in the US half a century ago. They covered the face.

They were "fashionable". Lots of black and white movies show women wearing veils.

yes. this is a modern, progressive nation.... along with public safety in mind. If one has a problem with that, one is free to live in a country that is socially and culturally acceptable to oneself.

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

again - the essence is same.

and the anti-mask law relating to KKK.

The essence is not the same.

One was aimed at protestors.
Another was aimed at Muslim women.

The French law bans niqab and burqa. Some women wear a niqab.

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Ninjas wear veils?

That has to be harsh to be a ninja in France right now ...

notice the quotation mark. do not take it too literally

Steinhauer · 04-10-2011, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes. this is a modern, progressive nation.... along with public safety in mind. If one has a problem with that, one is free to live in a country that is socially and culturally acceptable to oneself.

except ninjas .. they gotta go.

(yes, I am joking now).

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

One was aimed at protestors.
Another was aimed at Muslim women.

in the name of public safety....

oh yes the essence is quite the same

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes. this is a modern, progressive nation.... along with public safety in mind. If one has a problem with that, one is free to live in a country that is socially and culturally acceptable to oneself.

I love that. "If you don't like it, get out!"

Ah...public safety...I've heard that one before...like how it relates to Jim Crow...pogoms...deaf issues...yeaaaaaaah.

Steinhauer · 04-10-2011, 03:58 AM

I don't know man ... in regards to public safety .... walking down a dark alley in a violent section of the bronx .... would I rather have an unveiled Muslim woman or a veiled ninja?

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

in the name of public safety....

oh yes the essence is quite the same

The French law wasn't about public safety.

The New York law does not ban the burqa.

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

I love that. "If you don't like it, get out!"

Ah...public safety...I've heard that one before...like how it relates to Jim Crow...pogoms...deaf issues...yeaaaaaaah.

why can't I eat dog meat??? how is it animal cruelty? what's the difference with cow meat? this is discrimination!

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

The French law wasn't about public safety.

The New York law does not ban the burqa.

I'm sorry you failed to see the point. I guess there's nothing to move on.

Steinhauer · 04-10-2011, 04:00 AM

Batman is no longer welcome in France.

poor Batman .... we all know the Eiffel Tower is "special" to him.

(yes, still joking).

flip · 04-10-2011, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by steinhauer

batman is no longer welcome in france.

Poor batman .... We all know the eiffel tower is "special" to him.

(yes, still joking).

lol

Steinhauer · 04-10-2011, 04:04 AM

Even though I might seem to take this issue "lightly" when I am joking. I am just trying to point out that this law was specifically aimed at the Muslim community.

The politicians have made it quite obvious that they will write the law as if it did not discriminate but make it clear to voters that it is aimed at Muslims.

Muslim women are violating no law by practicing their religion. As long as "practicing their religion" is not an affront on other's rights, I do not see a problem.

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 04:06 AM

France's burqa ban in effect next month - CNN

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The French Constitutional Council said the law did not impose disproportionate punishments or prevent the free exercise of religion in a place of worship, finding therefore that "the law conforms to the Constitution."

"Given the damage it produces on those rules which allow the life in community, ensure the dignity of the person and equality between sexes, this practice, even if it is voluntary, cannot be tolerated in any public place," the French government said when it sent the measure to parliament in May.

Lawmakers have also cited security reasons for forbidding people from covering their faces in public.

there you go!

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 04:07 AM

I live in a neighborhood that is largely Muslim on one side and Jewish on the other. I have never seen an Orthodox man or woman with a headcovering and thought, "Oh shit, I need to cross the street!" I've never been to my favorite Lebanese restaurant and thought, "Oh no...I better leave...she's wearing a niqab!" When I attend Jewish religious events, a lot of women wear a headscarf (even if they aren't traditionally religious) and a lot of Israeli and Russian women at my son's school wear a loose wrap or a hat. Many of my friends wear coverings because they are Orthodox or Modern Orthodox. No one cares.

I've worn headscarves. It can be a pretty powerful thing.

No, France didn't ban headscarves, but they thought about it. The hijab in public issue was dropped. It only applies in public schools.

Once upon a time, Jewish men couldn't wear kippot while serving in the armed forces. That was later changed.

public safety my poo. The law in France is all about anti-Muslim sentiment and nothing about safety.

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Even though I might seem to take this issue "lightly" when I am joking. I am just trying to point out that this law was specifically aimed at the Muslim community.

The politicians have made it quite obvious that they will write the law as if it did not discriminate but make it clear to voters that it is aimed at Muslims.

Muslim women are violating no law by practicing their religion. As long as "practicing their religion" is not an affront on other's rights, I do not see a problem.

I can't believe how much I've grown to like you!

Steinhauer · 04-10-2011, 04:08 AM

Free exercise of religion in a place of worship ....

What if you are a Hag Namadian and the earth is your place of worship?

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

France's burqa ban in effect next month - CNN

there you go!

Yup. Next is banning Jewish women from headscarves, the hijab, yeah...anything else...short skirts, maybe? How is that dignified?

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

Yup. Next is banning Jewish women from headscarves, the hijab, yeah...anything else...short skirts, maybe? How is that dignified?

sorry but I don't understand your post. I fail to see any relevance or resemblance.

TheOracle · 04-10-2011, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why can't I eat dog meat??? how is it animal cruelty? what's the difference with cow meat? this is discrimination!

Where is a federal law against eating dog?

**Jiro** · 04-10-2011, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Free exercise of religion in a place of worship ....

What if you are a Hag Namadian and the earth is your place of worship?

ask David Koresh for an advice. or maybe apply for reservation area from federal government.

04-10-2011, 03:58 AM	#166 (permalink)
Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	I don't know man ... in regards to public safety .... walking down a dark alley in a violent section of the bronx .... would I rather have an unveiled Muslim woman or a veiled ninja? TheOracle likes this.

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TheOracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,491	I live in a neighborhood that is largely Muslim on one side and Jewish on the other. I have never seen an Orthodox man or woman with a headcovering and thought, "Oh shit, I need to cross the street!" I've never been to my favorite Lebanese restaurant and thought, "Oh no...I better leave...she's wearing a niqab!" When I attend Jewish religious events, a lot of women wear a headscarf (even if they aren't traditionally religious) and a lot of Israeli and Russian women at my son's school wear a loose wrap or a hat. Many of my friends wear coverings because they are Orthodox or Modern Orthodox. No one cares. I've worn headscarves. It can be a pretty powerful thing. No, France didn't ban headscarves, but they thought about it. The hijab in public issue was dropped. It only applies in public schools. Once upon a time, Jewish men couldn't wear kippot while serving in the armed forces. That was later changed. public safety my poo. The law in France is all about anti-Muslim sentiment and nothing about safety. __________________ In the confusion we stay with each other, happy to be together, speaking without uttering a single word. Question everyone. This is the Internet.

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04-10-2011, 03:53 AM	#158 (permalink)
Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	Veils were worn quite often by women in the US half a century ago. They covered the face. They were "fashionable". Lots of black and white movies show women wearing veils.

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Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	Batman is no longer welcome in France. poor Batman .... we all know the Eiffel Tower is "special" to him. (yes, still joking).

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Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	Even though I might seem to take this issue "lightly" when I am joking. I am just trying to point out that this law was specifically aimed at the Muslim community. The politicians have made it quite obvious that they will write the law as if it did not discriminate but make it clear to voters that it is aimed at Muslims. Muslim women are violating no law by practicing their religion. As long as "practicing their religion" is not an affront on other's rights, I do not see a problem.

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Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	Free exercise of religion in a place of worship .... What if you are a Hag Namadian and the earth is your place of worship?