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Unread 03-10-2011, 03:34 AM   #181 (permalink)
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He's not a Christian authority to me. If you have a complaint against him, take it up with someone that belongs to his religion.
Still, you are following the tradition that John of Damascus started, the christian mocking of Islam. Your arguments are at least dating from the dark ages of europe. It was called the "dark ages" in west europe because our neighbours, the prosperous muslims, were living in an age of enlightment.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 03:35 AM   #182 (permalink)
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Btw, great that this thread not has been locked, and people are allowed to express their political views, either they are based on their religous faith or secular views. I don't know what moderators think, but perhaps they notice we still are on the political side, and less the religious.

The secular thinker, Jürgen Habermas, said, not a long time ago, that religious arguments are as valid as secular arguments. I agree with him, and that's a reason I feel that the ban of religious discussions on AD not is the best solution.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 07:44 AM   #183 (permalink)
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No I am not saying that. I am saying that your knowledge about sharia and Islam is very limited,
Are you saying that Sharia law does not practice stoning or caning such as was done in Pakistan?

Please educate us as to how Sharia could be implemented acceptably in the USA.

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and hope that most people don't belive your apparently hateful comments and prejudices toward Islam.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 09:18 AM   #184 (permalink)
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Unread 03-10-2011, 09:30 AM   #185 (permalink)
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Are you saying that Sharia law does not practice stoning or caning such as was done in Pakistan?[/B]

Please educate us as to how Sharia could be implemented acceptably in the USA.


Please show me anything hateful or prejudicial that I have posted against
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Sighhh... I know the Christians did such things as well during the Crusades.
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Sighhh... I know the Christians did such things as well during the Crusades.
The point of this discussion is the possible inclusion of Sharia law and other cultural practices of immigrants into this century's nations.
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The point of this discussion is the possible inclusion of Sharia law and other cultural practices of immigrants into this century's nations.
Paranoia run rampant. I am not worried.
I have Muslim friends and none of them follow Sharia law.
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Paranoia run rampant. I am not worried.
I have Muslim friends and none of them follow Sharia law.
They can't in the USA. Besides, I don't think many American Muslims would find Sharia law appealing.
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Are you saying that Sharia law does not practice stoning or caning such as was done in Pakistan?

Please educate us as to how Sharia could be implemented acceptably in the USA.

Please show me anything hateful or prejudicial that I have posted against
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Yes, sharia do kill people. It's no better than christian laws that kill people in Uganda. And what about hindus stoning each other to death every day.

Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push - NYtimes.com

Andhra couple stoned to death for 'honour' - Times Of India

The principles of sharia is followed in the egyptian justice system, still they do not stone people to death.

As said earlier in this thread, sharia is not a specific set of laws.

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"Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well."

With this knowledge, your comments appear hateful toward a specific religion and full of prejudices. I would be happy if you could prove me wrong, though I know you can't.
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Never will happen, this country was found on religious freedom and diversity.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 05:04 PM   #192 (permalink)
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Never will happen, this country was found on religious freedom and diversity.
From what I know, most of the founding fathers held to deism and Freemasonry tenets. However, they did respect the rights of people who were Christians and such.
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Ya know... has PFH even posted again in this thread?
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Yes, sharia do kill people. It's no better than christian laws that kill people in Uganda. And what about hindus stoning each other to death every day.
I don't support any stoning or caning laws for the USA. Do you?

[quote]The principles of sharia is followed in the egyptian justice system, still they do not stone people to death.

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As said earlier in this thread, sharia is not a specific set of laws.

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"Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well."
You couldn't find a more reliable source than Wiki?

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With this knowledge, your comments appear hateful toward a specific religion and full of prejudices. I would be happy if you could prove me wrong, though I know you can't.
What hateful statement did I make?

I have nothing to prove until you show me anything hateful that I've posted.

Just because I want our country to follow its own Constitution and not other laws is not hateful. I don't want to follow Sharia law, Mosaic law, Napoleonic law, UN world law or any other law.
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. And what about hindus stoning each other to death every day.
How would that work??? Throw at the same time? And, every day? Do they come back to life?




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How would that work??? Throw at the same time?
They use a really huge stone???
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yep according Office of International Religious Freedom at Religious Freedom
and most Middle East countries still do not have synagogues. go figure


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How would that work??? Throw at the same time? And, every day? Do they come back to life?






Heh, stoning was also done by the Jewish and gentiles during the old testament times. So Hindus are not alone, but technically speaking as Christians, we now have a choice about stoning. Jesus never mentioned not to stone someone.

I'm not sure how it is exactly for Hindus, and why they actually stone people.
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They use a really huge stone???
Haha, they pretty much use whatever is on hand, most of the times they are about the size of a baseball or softball. And they stone in groups.
Come back to life?? Lol, stoning means to kill. There isn't no coming back.
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How would that work??? Throw at the same time? And, every day? Do they come back to life?
Why do you think they invented reincarnation?
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I don't support any stoning or caning laws for the USA. Do you?
If you allow an foreigner to have an opinion on what kind of laws the US shold follow, I'll answer. My answer is that I think stoning laws would be a very bad idea. You allready have barbaric laws that allows people to fry other people with electric, or fill them up with lethal poison. No need to make the US more cruel than it already is.

EU have stopped exports of specific posion substances, because we learned you use them to execute people.
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That's all you can say? It requires a strong dose of faith to reject an encyclopedia that have less errors than the conventional ones. Sure I can come up with more sources, from universities and the science of religion, but honestly, why should I? Would you accept them as reliable sources?
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What hateful statement did I make?

I have nothing to prove until you show me anything hateful that I've posted.
Until you can prove that sharia is a specific or sole set of laws in practice, your claims will be perceived as full of prejudices and irrational hate from more than one perspective.
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If you allow an foreigner to have an opinion on what kind of laws the US shold follow, I'll answer. My answer is that I think stoning laws would be a very bad idea. You allready have barbaric laws that allows people to fry other people with electric, or fill them up with lethal poison. No need to make the US more cruel than it already is.
So your comments about the US aren't hateful and prejudicial but my comments about stoning laws are?


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That's all you can say? It requires a strong dose of faith to reject an encyclopedia that have less errors than the conventional ones. Sure I can come up with more sources, from universities and the science of religion, but honestly, why should I? Would you accept them as reliable sources?
No, that's not all I can say but it is a commentary on what you consider to be reliable sources of information. Depending on Wiki is usually a sign of laziness or lack of real sources.

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Until you can prove that sharia is a specific or sole set of laws in practice, your claims will be perceived as full of prejudices and irrational hate from more than one perspective.
The only reason I brought up Sharia laws was because the topic was introduced as something that could be acceptable in the USA. It would not be compatible with our Constitution, just as other laws or sets of laws from other countries and cultures would not be. That is not irrational hate for other people. That's not even rational hate for other people. In fact, that's not hate at all.

I'm curious as to why you see hate and prejudice where there is none? Do you not understand that people can disagree without involving hate and other negative emotions?
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The only reason I brought up Sharia laws was because the topic was introduced as something that could be acceptable in the USA.
I think you are greatly incorrect in the statement above. No one said that it would be acceptable here. Some aspects of it is OBVIOUSLY against the laws of America and Americans do NOT want the American laws to be dictated by Sharia Law (or any law dictated by religion), but what you don't see is that we are reacting so strongly against a HANDFUL of people who want to implement Sharia Law in US. I think we give power to them by even RESPONDING to their statements. Sorta like giving power to Charlie Sheen by even watching or reading his crazy statements. LOTS of people (Americans or foreigners) talk about changing the laws in America everyday in extreme ways. In fact, I bet you can even find a couple in AD. I find those people who want to implement Sharia Law no different than the others.
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... I think we give power to them by even RESPONDING to their statements. Sorta like giving power to Charlie Sheen by even watching or reading his crazy statements....
I sure won't compare any ADers to Charlie Sheen!
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"Power to them"
Them = people who want to implement Sharia Law in US.
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Aren't you all beating that poor horse to death? Let the horsie have a respite, eh?
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So your comments about the US aren't hateful and prejudicial but my comments about stoning laws are?
So now, it's not "sharia laws", but "stoning laws"? We are then in agreement.

What don't work, is to accuse me of calling your comments prejudical, when you at the same time change your claims, so they appear less prejudical. Good try.
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No, that's not all I can say but it is a commentary on what you consider to be reliable sources of information. Depending on Wiki is usually a sign of laziness or lack of real sources.

The only reason I brought up Sharia laws was because the topic was introduced as something that could be acceptable in the USA. It would not be compatible with our Constitution, just as other laws or sets of laws from other countries and cultures would not be. That is not irrational hate for other people. That's not even rational hate for other people. In fact, that's not hate at all.

I'm curious as to why you see hate and prejudice where there is none? Do you not understand that people can disagree without involving hate and other negative emotions?
I usually don't see hate and prejudices where there is none, but ask if it's hate and prejudices when a person don't care to express the logic behind his/her negative thoughts.

I haven't seen any posters on this forum embracing the idea of making sharia the foundation of the US constitution, and happy with whatever you are happy with.
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Aren't you all beating that poor horse to death? Let the horsie have a respite, eh?
LOL. Just replace it with a fake horse, it almost looks so dead we won't recognize anyway.
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