Ah, the USA needs this. - Page 2

**Beowulf** · 03-02-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

Sharia law goes against absolutely everything that is American. It is the antithesis of the American dream. Sane Muslims are welcome (and as far as I'm concerned, invited) to come and make their contributions to American society. However, the fact that we're the melting pot does not mean we have to sit idly by while crazies try to impose sharia law. Fortunately, most of our Muslims are sane, so the imposition of sharia law isn't any danger now. However, the same can't be said for Europe. Their leaders have pretty much figured out that multiculturalism (which is the opposite of the melting pot) is garbage.

That doesn't sound Navajo to me.

darkdog · 03-02-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

That doesn't sound Navajo to me.

Cute. Although I certainly don't think the Navajos would appreciate sharia law.

**Beowulf** · 03-02-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

Cute. Although I certainly don't think the Navajos would appreciate sharia law.

They would appreciate intolerance even less.

**TWA** · 03-02-2011, 09:55 AM

can anyone show me an example where a group of Muslims have wanted to impose Sharia law in the United States?

darkdog · 03-02-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

They would appreciate intolerance even less.

Are you intolerant of my intolerance of sharia law?

webexplorer · 03-02-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No, that reinforces the melting pot philosophy. As new immigrants (ingredients) arrive (are added to the melting pot), their uniqueness (flavor) is blended into the existing culture (stew). They add spice to the stew but they don't stand out of or take over the stew. The stew maintains its basic character with all the new ingredients blended in.

Oh the food is so delicious in my soup that I made with these ingredients. I love the spicy food, and it is better to be mixed with the different ingredients. Oops! I thought you were talking about food.

**Beowulf** · 03-02-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

Are you intolerant of my intolerance of sharia law?

Yes, sir, I am seething inside!

**Daredevel7** · 03-02-2011, 10:00 AM

Would anyone have a problem with people practicing Sharia law ON THEMSELVES only while still being American-law abiding citizens?

**Jiro** · 03-02-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

Sharia law goes against absolutely everything that is American. It is the antithesis of the American dream. Sane Muslims are welcome (and as far as I'm concerned, invited) to come and make their contributions to American society. However, the fact that we're the melting pot does not mean we have to sit idly by while crazies try to impose sharia law. Fortunately, most of our Muslims are sane, so the imposition of sharia law isn't any danger now. However, the same can't be said for Europe. Their leaders have pretty much figured out that multiculturalism (which is the opposite of the melting pot) is garbage.

don't be silly. use your common sense.

beside... plenty of other things to worry about like... Branch Davidian... some extreme right-wing paramilitary groups...

souggy · 03-02-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

Sharia law goes against absolutely everything that is American. It is the antithesis of the American dream. Sane Muslims are welcome (and as far as I'm concerned, invited) to come and make their contributions to American society. However, the fact that we're the melting pot does not mean we have to sit idly by while crazies try to impose sharia law. Fortunately, most of our Muslims are sane, so the imposition of sharia law isn't any danger now. However, the same can't be said for Europe. Their leaders have pretty much figured out that multiculturalism (which is the opposite of the melting pot) is garbage.

Never once have I seen a European promote multiculturalism, and any preaching of tolerance is rooted within the horrors of the Holocaust and the fear of a repeat. In fact, many of the countries in Europe are largely homozygous compared to the East and the New World. I am sorry, but this seem to be more of an Asian or Canadian thing to say, not a European thing.

rolling7 · 03-02-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DURAY

in Mexico, it is the law there that any foreigners who want to work must speak and write Spanish. Same thing to be a citizen of Mexico or Japan, one must know Spanish or Japanese. Is that legal????

Jiro, have you ever been to any fast-foods places where a worker behind the counter CAN read your written order??

Here in Houston, Texas there are restaurants that will not take your order if you don't speak mexican. Note, that means no service, no food and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

**Daredevel7** · 03-02-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Here in Houston, Texas there are restaurants that will not take your order if you don't speak mexican. Note, that means no service, no food and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Wow! I didn't know there was a language called Mexican! I wonder if my parents who speak "Cuban" can understand "Mexican"!

**Foxrac** · 03-02-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Here in Houston, Texas there are restaurants that will not take your order if you don't speak mexican. Note, that means no service, no food and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I don't know about there is spoken language called Mexican?

You should means Spanish language.

I have no problem with many Mexican restaurant and they understand my note without problem, even employee with Spanish spoken asked other employee to translate for her.

**Banjo** · 03-02-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Here in Houston, Texas there are restaurants that will not take your order if you don't speak mexican. Note, that means no service, no food and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

That's funny because they have restaurants here that will not serve you if you don't speak Canadian.

darkdog · 03-02-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Yes, sir, I am seething inside!

I'd rather you see the irony in what you said- "They would appreciate intolerance even less." Sharia is intolerance.

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Would anyone have a problem with people practicing Sharia law ON THEMSELVES only while still being American-law abiding citizens?

Sharia law isn't just a set of rules guiding individual behavior. It also covers politics and law. It is a theocratic doctrine, although there's no consensus on exactly what the details of sharia law are.

If people want to behave according to their faith in a law-abiding fashion, sure. More power to them.

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Originally Posted by Jiro

don't be silly. use your common sense.

beside... plenty of other things to worry about like... Branch Davidian... some extreme right-wing paramilitary groups...

What exactly do you mean? How did I veer away from common sense? After all, this thread is about sharia law and that's what I'm talking about. And what do obscure militia groups have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by souggy

Never once have I seen a European promote multiculturalism, and any preaching of tolerance is rooted within the horrors of the Holocaust and the fear of a repeat. In fact, many of the countries in Europe are largely homozygous compared to the East and the New World. I am sorry, but this seem to be more of an Asian or Canadian thing to say, not a European thing.

David Cameron, Angela Merkel, and Nicolas Sarkozy have all three recently declared European-style multiculturalism to be a failure.

souggy · 03-02-2011, 01:02 PM

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European-style multiculturalism? Please define it as I am blissfully ignorant of the fact they're more tolerant than we are.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

What exactly do you mean? How did I veer away from common sense? After all, this thread is about sharia law and that's what I'm talking about. And what do obscure militia groups have to do with anything?

I had a same ??? thought about sharia law. In fact - I don't even know how it's become a concern for you.

If you're worried about sharia law having an influence in here... then I guess I should worry about dozens of other "influences" like communism, socialism, etc.

darkdog · 03-02-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

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European-style multiculturalism? Please define it as I am blissfully ignorant of the fact they're more tolerant than we are.

I might as well answer your question with the words of David Cameron.

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Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and apart from the mainstream. We’ve failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong. We’ve even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values.

PM’s speech at Munich Security Conference | Number10.gov.uk

In France, it got so bad the government published a list of no go zones that were basically lawless Muslim neighborhoods where even the police were afraid to go.

darkdog · 03-02-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I had a same ??? thought about sharia law. In fact - I don't even know how it's become a concern for you.

The first sentence of the article linked at the start of this thread: "Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told to get out of Australia, again, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks." Kind of makes sense to talk about sharia in this thread, don'cha think?

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Originally Posted by Jiro

If you're worried about sharia law having an influence in here... then I guess I should worry about dozens of other "influences" like communism, socialism, etc.

Did you read the sentence right after the one you highlighted? "Fortunately, most of our Muslims are sane, so the imposition of sharia law isn't any danger now." Yes, I'm not terribly worried about it happening here any time soon, but we should look at Europe as a cautionary tale.

**Reba** · 03-02-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

can anyone show me an example where a group of Muslims have wanted to impose Sharia law in the United States?

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Extremist cleric to lead White House protest calling for Muslims to 'rise up and establish Islamic state in America'

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 3:27 PM on 20th February 2011

Call to arms: Muslim extremist Anjem Choudary will call for Sharia law to be established across the U.S.

A hardline Muslim cleric who sparked anger across the U.S. with his anti-American comments in a television interview this month is to hold a protest outside the White House.

British extremist Anjem Choudary - who once said 'the flag of Islam will fly over the White House' - has announced he will lead a demonstration calling on Muslims to establish the Sharia law across America....

Anjem Choudary to lead White House protest calling for Muslims to 'rise up' | Mail Online

**Daredevel7** · 03-02-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Anjem Choudary to lead White House protest calling for Muslims to 'rise up' | Mail Online

He is a blithering idiot. It's all good.

**Reba** · 03-02-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Would anyone have a problem with people practicing Sharia law ON THEMSELVES only while still being American-law abiding citizens?

Sharia law doesn't follow American law, so yes, I would have a problem with that. For example, Sharia law punishes sexual offenses with stoning to death.

Anyone following Sharia law wouldn't be law abiding in America.

**Daredevel7** · 03-02-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Sharia law doesn't follow American law, so yes, I would have a problem with that. For example, Sharia law punishes sexual offenses with stoning to death.

Anyone following Sharia law wouldn't be law abiding in America.

I understand, but there are religious people who do not 100% follow the doctrine. There are people who call themselves Christians but they do not take every single word in the Bible to be taken literally. I am sure the same applies to Muslims.

**Beowulf** · 03-02-2011, 02:00 PM

I don't have any Muslim friends who follow Sharia law. Do you?

**Reba** · 03-02-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I understand, but there are religious people who do not 100% follow the doctrine. There are people who call themselves Christians but they do not take every single word in the Bible to be taken literally. I am sure the same applies to Muslims.

You asked specifically about the ones who would be practicing Sharia law, so that's what I replied to. I didn't post about all Muslims.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

The first sentence of the article linked at the start of this thread: "Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told to get out of Australia, again, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks." Kind of makes sense to talk about sharia in this thread, don'cha think?

I said "In fact - I don't even know how it's become a concern for you."

I don't even see any valid reason to be concerned about sharia law in America because I know for sure that anybody following sharia law in America will be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law. Maybe I don't see it because I'm not a Caucasian.

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Originally Posted by darkdog

Did you read the sentence right after the one you highlighted? "Fortunately, most of our Muslims are sane, so the imposition of sharia law isn't any danger now." Yes, I'm not terribly worried about it happening here any time soon, but we should look at Europe as a cautionary tale.

ah.... so you're saying America should be selective. So we should tell bunch of Christian cults to get out too.

oh wait... they're born and bred in America... for generations.... what to do???

**KristinaB** · 03-02-2011, 02:23 PM

We do have some restaurants here that if you do not speak Spanish or write in Spanish, you cannot order any food there.

Most menus around here are in both Spanish and English and you can request for Creole, Chinese, French or Korean if wanted in some places.

**Daredevel7** · 03-02-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You asked specifically about the ones who would be practicing Sharia law, so that's what I replied to. I didn't post about all Muslims.

One can practice some aspects of the Sharia law while still abiding by American law.

Anyway, I honestly don't care who does what as long they abide by the laws of America. Muslim or not.

Do we really want to BAN a whole group? Even though MOST Muslim Americans CLEARLY abide by the American laws.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2011, 02:29 PM

Sharia Law... please list the laws

**Reba** · 03-02-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Sharia Law... please list the laws

Islam: Governing Under Sharia - Council on Foreign Relations

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