Reba

Not really.

Navy pilots start off with general basic flight training on small training aircraft. That training includes safety and rescue procedures, bail out and sea survival, and ditching over water, things that hijackers wouldn't need to learn.

After that training, they divide up into training for specific aircraft and tactics. It's all the specialized training that takes more time.

The primary basic flight training takes about six months.

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Jiro

right... it doesn't take basic flight training to operate commercial jetliner.

so the total length of training is......?

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Reba

Depends on the type of aircraft. There is no one answer. Also, military pilot training is ongoing. A military pilot trains until the day he retires.

Also, military pilots aren't learning just to fly planes. Their training includes much more than that.

Someone who wants to crash a plane into a building doesn't need all that specialized training. The 6-month basic course is more than enough.

Jiro

with that kind of precision? I doubt it takes 6 months to learn it.

It's a 6-months training to learn how to fly basic plane and understand basic physics..... not commercial jetliner.

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Jiro

Cessna Cockpit


Commercial Jetliner Cockpit


and it takes 6-months to learn 747? including how to plot the course in computer? nice... I wanna do it! But... between gun and motorcycle hobby.... I lack fund to take flight training.

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Reba

It's not like they had to learn pre-flight instrument check and maintenance. They didn't need to know how to take off and land, the two most precarious operations.

TXgolfer

Nah, it's fairly easy really. (according to an in-law) The most impressive thing (not to praise terrorists) was the turn the second plane made given it's rate of speed. My in law believs that turn was luck actually and that there was plenty of room for error.....they were going to hit something even if they lost control.

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Jiro

well how else can they learn to fly? They can't just tell the flight instructor - just teach me how to plot in the course and fly low. That would raise red flag.

If they're in flight school, they have to do it by the book.

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Jiro

no such thing as luck in flying. What happened at Flight 1549 (Hudson River crash) wasn't a luck. It was training.

oh btw - I speak from fact... my friend's father is a commercial jet pilot. not that easy. is your in-law a commercial pilot too?

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Reba

Jiro, here's some links about Navy pilot training.

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/images/ppln_pilot.jpg

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/training_pilot.htm

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/

(Side note: CNATRA is pronounced "Sinatra", like the singer. )

Jiro

which is why more than half of commercial pilots are from military. In that picture (1st link), you definitely can't fly a commercial jetliner from phase 1. According to my friend, there are thousand of things that can go easily wrong especially for a pilot with basic training designed for operating simple Cessna plane.

Why not learn how to fly commercial jet in their country? or some shady countries? They do fly bigger planes there.

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saywhatkid

All they had to know how to do was steer a plane already airborne. They could skip the landing lessons, the takeoff lessons, the radio lessons, the courtesy lessons. Not to say it was easy, but these were intelligent people carefully selected for this role. They only had one shot. They wanted to get it right. And what about the crater in PA? Did government give them inside info that there was an infidel horse grazing out in the fields?

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TXgolfer

Well I guess our friends/family can agree to disagree...

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saywhatkid

Are you suggesting they did not? Perhaps they had one or two experienced former pilots write up a training manual to give them a head start.

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Wirelessly posted

So there was a job inside? No planes? No victims in planes? Witnesses of 9/11 are just nothing but lairs? It was all invovment of government? And it is all Bush's fault for 9/11? Victims are not decreased cos they went missing? Cops are not heroes? Firefighters were decreased for nothing? Everything was nothing but all of this is false vision? All of yours and mine are just full of imagination of "fake" 9/11?

Basically, 9/11 is just fake? I mean, really??

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Reba

There's a huge difference in what's required to crash a plane into a large building, and learning to safely take off, fly, and land a plane under all kinds of conditions, which is what a commercial pilot needs to learn.

I don't know how many more times I need to say that.

Maybe the classes aren't as accessible to the general public in other countries.

Maybe the American classes wouldn't be under as much scrutiny.

Maybe they wanted to stay closer to their ultimate target areas.

I don't know anything about flying classes overseas. Do you?

Check it out:

http://www.flightschooldb.com/middle-east/

Beowulf

It doesn't bother me that people still believe that being trained for two weeks in flying a single-engine airplane qualifies one for flying large jetliners. Seems idiotic though. Oh well.

jillio

Go figure!

saywhatkid

What is so idiotic about it? I have heard of people with ZERO pilot training fly and land a plane with voice instructions. It is rare, but it happens.

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Beowulf

In jetliners? Never happened, only in movies.

saywhatkid

But these guys did not have to land, which is the hardest part. They had to steer a plane into a huge building. And they did practice and prepare. They were not some 13 year old kid in a Cessna. They were men with perhaps years of preparation. And right now, there are more of these men learning to fly somehow.

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Jiro

did you know commercial jetliner is equipped to land automatically? ever heard of autopilot?

btw - you might want to give us a link to that claim.

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Beowulf

They didn't have years of preparation in flying, just a couple weeks at a flight school in Florida. Talk to airline pilots. As them how easy it is to hit a building deliberately. If they cannot do it, neither can amateurs.

Jiro

nope. none.

How is it that they were able to locate WTC & Pentagon from hundreds of miles away?

American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 - from Boston
American Airlines Flight 77 - from Dulles (turned back from Ohio-West Virginia border)

when you're flying a commercial jet with a tiny windshield... this is what you're seeing.



everything looks same to your eyes.

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Jiro

I ask again - is your in-law a commercial pilot?

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Reba

Do you believe that two passenger planes hit the Twin Towers?

If the answer is yes, then who piloted them into the buildings?

Do you believe that one of the hijacked planes hit the ground in Pennsylvania?

If the answer is yes, then who piloted that plane into the ground?

I won't ask about the Pentagon because you've already covered your theories on that in detail before.

Beowulf

The planes were drones in my opinion.
Rumsfeld said that the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down.
Never mind the fact he said a missile struck the pentagon, you had that one covered.

Reba

Were passengers in the "drones?"

What about the passengers who made phone calls to their loved ones from the hijacked planes while the flight was going on?

Do you believe that large passenger jets that took off from public airports with passengers on board were drones?

saywhatkid

The absurdity is baffling. I cannot debate this topic.

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Jiro

no to all of your questions.

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