North Tower Exploding on 9-11 - Page 3

**TXgolfer** · 11-16-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What does that mean?

Silenced

**Reba** · 11-16-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Let me see if I got this correctly. You believe that the film shows a 757 hitting the Pentagon???? I ask this because experts have proven that impossible. They measured the distance, the angles, etc., and if it was a 757 it would be much bigger than in the video. See where I am going?

Other experts proved the opposite.

kokonut · 11-16-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Other experts proved the opposite.

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/bu...PDF/b03017.pdf

Yep.

jillio · 11-17-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

I'm not giving up. I know I am not the only one seeing the charges going off.

Just another case of people not wanting to believe the obvious because it disagrees with their stance. The truth is just too painful to some.

**TXgolfer** · 11-17-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Just another case of people not wanting to believe the obvious because it disagrees with their stance. The truth is just too painful to some.

Are you a "9/11 truther" too?

**Beowulf** · 11-17-2010, 02:29 PM

Don't bother answering, jillio.

**Daredevel7** · 11-17-2010, 03:32 PM

Honestly, I don't know if it is true or not (really, who does anyway nowadays?). But it is an interesting thing to think about. When you have such a horrible event like that, I'd imagine a great resistance to any investigation that would question the involvement of the government.

In fact, if I found out somehow that the government IS heavily involved, I'd think twice before coming out to public with it, just because it would completely and utterly destroy morale as well as trust in ANY government. It would be a huge blow to America.

Just to be clear, I am not really a "truther". I believe it is what it is, but I tend to think "what if?"...

**Jiro** · 11-17-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Just to be clear, I am not really a "truther". I believe it is what it is, but I tend to think "what if?"...

what if the Chinese government was behind all this?

**TXgolfer** · 11-17-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

what if the Chinese government was behind all this?

Or Martians??

What if the government had to blow up the towers because someone in one of the towers had info that the moon landing was faked on a sound stage and someone in the other knew who killed Kennedy and they were about to come forward????

When I play the "what if" game I go big.

**Jiro** · 11-17-2010, 04:08 PM

why the Chinese government, you ask?

because look at what happened now.... the Chinese owns most of our debt and Lenovo... and now is in talk to acquire GM...

**Daredevel7** · 11-17-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

what if the Chinese government was behind all this?

If they were, pfft, we soooo would have done a hardcore investigation. In fact, Im surprised that we didn't do one! We have NO problem making the Chinese look bad.

**Reba** · 11-17-2010, 05:22 PM

On the other hand, why is it so hard to accept that a small band of Muslim extremists committed such heinous acts?

kokonut · 11-17-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

On the other hand, why is it so hard to accept that a small band of Muslim extremists committed such heinous acts?

**TXgolfer** · 11-17-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

On the other hand, why is it so hard to accept that a small band of Muslim extremists committed such heinous acts?

That's kooky talk.

â€œThatâ€™s kooky talk.â€ « Seinfeld-ism

**Jiro** · 11-17-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

On the other hand, why is it so hard to accept that a small band of Muslim extremists committed such heinous acts?

because this is too well-funded, too organized, too sophisticated to execute such heinous act. This reeks of government backing.

**Jiro** · 11-17-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

That's kooky talk.

â€œThatâ€™s kooky talk.â€ « Seinfeld-ism

I was thinking of this -

YouTube - The Best of Elaine Benes - The Little Kicks

**Reba** · 11-17-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

because this is too well-funded, too organized, too sophisticated to execute such heinous act. This reeks of government backing.

Are you saying that Muslims can't be well-funded, organized or sophisticated?

**Jiro** · 11-17-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Are you saying that Muslims can't be well-funded, organized or sophisticated?

no.

jillio · 11-18-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Don't bother answering, jillio.

I didn't.

Completely unworthy of the effort.

jillio · 11-18-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

because this is too well-funded, too organized, too sophisticated to execute such heinous act. This reeks of government backing.

And that is not because the Muslims are inept. It is because they do not have the sophisticated resources available to them that are available in the U.S.

jillio · 11-18-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

I don't spend much time any more on it either. I have friends who do, and it is sad to see them become obsessed with it. Just saying. It is starting to look like a bloody bad idea starting this thread.

Only when you attempt to discuss things with ostriches and tea baggers.

**Reba** · 11-18-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And that is not because the Muslims are inept. It is because they do not have the sophisticated resources available to them that are available in the U.S.

What sophisticated resources did they need that they couldn't get?

Since the hijackers were already in the USA, all the resources were available to them.

The Muslim hijackers got their flight training in the USA.

They bought their sophisticated box cutters here.

What else were they lacking?

jillio · 11-18-2010, 12:12 PM

"Since they were already in the USA" is all that needs to be said to support what I stated.

You have answered your own questions.

**Reba** · 11-18-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

"Since they were already in the USA" is all that needs to be said to support what I stated.

You have answered your own questions.

Then you agree that Muslim extremists did have access to everything they needed to carry out the 9/11 hijackings and killings.

**Reba** · 11-18-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And that is not because the Muslims are inept. It is because they do not have the sophisticated resources available to them that are available in the U.S.

So how is they carry out terrorist attacks around the globe?

Not every attack requires sophistication.

**Jiro** · 11-18-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

So how is they carry out terrorist attacks around the globe?

Not every attack requires sophistication.

exactly. this one was too sophisticated, well-funded, and well-orchestrated. Definitely can't be done by extremists. This reeks of government's backing. what government? I do not know. It only takes a few high-ranking officials to pull this.

**saywhatkid** · 11-18-2010, 12:29 PM

With all the obvious planning used, I find it interesting that there are people that doubt the abilities of Al-qaeda. This is all they do. It is their career. They train for years. They have financial assistance. They have their religion telling them they will be martyred for giving their lives. They blow themselves up in marketplaces or in vehicles. I am stunned at anyone that thinks this was a product of government. Stunned.

**Jiro** · 11-18-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

With all the obvious planning used, I find it interesting that there are people that doubt the abilities of Al-qaeda. This is all they do. It is their career. They train for years. They have financial assistance. They have their religion telling them they will be martyred for giving their lives. They blow themselves up in marketplaces or in vehicles. I am stunned at anyone that thinks this was a product of government. Stunned.

just because they have money doesn't mean they can simply do it. It takes deep connection and expertise to pull it off.

Suicide Bomber doesn't take much resource to pull it off. Just pay for martyr's family and bomb... and then tell him to go to Location A and detonate. that's it. 9/11? definitely not what an ordinary terrorist can do. I didn't say this was a product of government. Just government's backing. It only takes a couple of rogue high-ranking government officials to pull it off.

flight schedules. immigration/passport paperwork. commercial flight training. communication & coordination. massive funds and moving funds around (not easy).

All above.... and the CIA, FBI, Interpol, etc. didn't catch a hint of it? bullshit.

jillio · 11-18-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Then you agree that Muslim extremists did have access to everything they needed to carry out the 9/11 hijackings and killings.

Where exactly did I say that?

jillio · 11-18-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

So how is they carry out terrorist attacks around the globe?

Not every attack requires sophistication.

Where did anyone say anything about "every attack"? We are discussing one attack in particular. Each needs to be looked at individually.

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saywhatkid Emerging from the sun Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In space Posts: 7,242 Blog Entries: 2	With all the obvious planning used, I find it interesting that there are people that doubt the abilities of Al-qaeda. This is all they do. It is their career. They train for years. They have financial assistance. They have their religion telling them they will be martyred for giving their lives. They blow themselves up in marketplaces or in vehicles. I am stunned at anyone that thinks this was a product of government. Stunned. __________________ "Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies." ~ Mother Teresa

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11-17-2010, 02:29 PM	#66 (permalink)
Beowulf Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,515	Don't bother answering, jillio.

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Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 4,341	Honestly, I don't know if it is true or not (really, who does anyway nowadays?). But it is an interesting thing to think about. When you have such a horrible event like that, I'd imagine a great resistance to any investigation that would question the involvement of the government. In fact, if I found out somehow that the government IS heavily involved, I'd think twice before coming out to public with it, just because it would completely and utterly destroy morale as well as trust in ANY government. It would be a huge blow to America. Just to be clear, I am not really a "truther". I believe it is what it is, but I tend to think "what if?"...

11-17-2010, 05:22 PM	#72 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,130	On the other hand, why is it so hard to accept that a small band of Muslim extremists committed such heinous acts?

11-18-2010, 12:12 PM	#83 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	"Since they were already in the USA" is all that needs to be said to support what I stated. You have answered your own questions.