U.S. rejected Dutch help on containing leaking oil three days after leak

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Yep. Definitely an Obama's Katrina.

Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help.

It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands.

The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,'” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.

Now, almost seven weeks later, as the oil spewing from the battered well spreads across the Gulf and soils pristine beaches and coastline, BP and our government have reconsidered.

U.S. ships are being outfitted this week with four pairs of the skimming booms airlifted from the Netherlands and should be deployed within days. Each pair can process 5 million gallons of water a day, removing 20,000 tons of oil and sludge.

Kind of late, doncha think? If people had any common sense they'd seek out help much, much sooner than later.

Chalk it up to incompetence.

Steffy: U.S. and BP slow to accept Dutch expertise | Business: Loren Steffy | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
 
Funny how he wouldn't mind shaking hands with evil regimes and leaders like Kim Jong Il and Ahmadinejad but gets all pouty at the thought of sitting down with an oil company executive.
 
Oh, I thought it was an update version of the little Dutch boy who put his finger in the hole in the dike to prevent the leak.

The Dutch plan could be to stick Joran van der Sloot and his inflated ego into the oil well hole to stop the flow. Two problems solved with one action.

:giggle:
 
I think it's the inflated ego at the top of the food chain is the problem here.
 
Dutch oil spill response team on standby for US oil disaster | Radio Netherlands Worldwide

Two Dutch companies are on stand-by to help the Americans tackle an oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico. The two companies use huge booms to sweep and suck the oil from the surface of the sea. The US authorities, however, have difficulties with the method they use.

The Americans don’t have spill response vessels with skimmers because their environment regulations do not allow it. With the Dutch method seawater is sucked up with the oil by the skimmer. The oil is stored in the tanker and the superfluous water is pumped overboard. But the water does contain some oil residue, and that is too much according to US environment regulations.[media:factfile1]

US regulations contradictory
Wierd Koops thinks the US approach is nonsense, because otherwise you would have to store the surplus seawater in the tanks as well.

“We say no, you have to get as much oil as possible into the storage tanks and as little water as possible. So we pump the water, which contains drops of oil, back overboard.”

US regulations are contradictory, Mr Knoops stresses. Pumping water back into the sea with oil residue is not allowed. But you are allowed to combat the spill with chemicals so that the oil dissolves in the seawater. In both cases, the dissolved oil is naturally broken down quite quickly.

It is possible the Americans will opt for the Dutch method as the damage the oil spill could cause to the mud flats and salt marshes along the coast is much worse, warns Wetland expert Hans Revier.

“You have to make sure you clear up the oil at sea. As soon as the oil reaches the mud flats and salt marshes, it is too late. The only thing you can do then is dig it up. But then the solution is worse than the problem.”

Wadden Sea experiments
Hans Revier, lector in Marine Wetland Studies at the Stenden College in Leeuwarden, recollects experiments in the Dutch Wadden Sea wetlands. When combined oil and gas pipelines were to be laid in the area, experiments to combat potential oil spills were held.

“It turned out that dissolving the oil with chemicals caused more damage than the oil itself. And burning the oil didn’t help either. That leaves just one solution: to allow nature to take its course. It took almost ten years for the oil to break down naturally from the tanker Amoco Cadiz which stranded off the French coast in 1978 and for the environment to recover.”

That leaves the Americans no alternative. If they want to save the mud flats and salt marshes along the coast they will have to adopt the Dutch method. It can be done very quickly, because only the oil skimmers need to be flown across the Atlantic and placed on local tankers, explains Mr Koops.

Senator convinced
A team of around eight men are on stand-by and four skimmers and extra material are ready to be loaded. The local senator is already convinced and is trying to talk the admiral who is coordinating the operation into accepting help from the Netherlands. The answer may be given today.

But nothing is certain. In 1989, a Dutch team and equipment had already been flown in to tackle the Exxon Valdez oil tanker disaster off the coast of Alaska. But in the end the US authorities sent them home.

Interesting that former President HW Bush turned them away too for Exxon-Valdez oil spill.

so I see that Dutch's offer was turned down because Dutch method is in conflict with EPA regulation. I don't know if we should let Dutch government dictates what's right or what's not right for us. Do you think we should listen to Dutch?
 
I guess having two or three sanitized photo ops of Obama inspecting tar.... balls on the beach should help erase all doubts, eh?
 
I think you should be focusing on BP CEO and BP Boards for cutting corners, silencing workers, and lobbying for legal blanket protection from lawsuits & investigations... not Obama holding a tar ball at beach
 
At 2:35 in the video

Barack Obama: “It’s going to cost them money and I’m going to stay on them if it’s the last thing I do in this administration to make sure that…

Matt Lauer: Have you spoken directly with the CEO of BP?

Barack Obama: I have not spoken to him directly and here’s the reason, because my experience is, when you talk to a guy like the BP CEO, he’s going to say all the right things to me. I’m not interested in words. I’m interested in actions…

Matt Lauer: In all due respect that seems strange to me.

That last thing he'll do? After how many rounds of golfing? Yeah, he's a guy with lots of actions. *picks up a tar....ball.*

Fore!!!!

*swisssh!* - misses the ball.


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Obama's right.

Less Talk, More Action. We've already seen what BP did. Lot of talk. Lot of damage.
 
after all..... BP just hired Cheney spokesperson for PR effort.... so yea - I'm not interested in what BP says.
 
after all..... BP just hired Cheney spokesperson for PR effort.... so yea - I'm not interested in what BP says.
Am guessing good old Dick Cheney found a weapon of mass destruction...right out there in the Gulf of Mexico! :eek3:
 
Oh, I thought it was an update version of the little Dutch boy who put his finger in the hole in the dike to prevent the leak.

The Dutch plan could be to stick Joran van der Sloot and his inflated ego into the oil well hole to stop the flow. Two problems solved with one action.

:giggle:

Good one!
 
Kind of funny, if not reckless, in the preference to deal with dictators but not oil executives. Anybody with a half a brain would accept help and suggestion to contain the oil a few days after the accident rather than wait 40 days. Common sense tells you that. But I guess the messiah wants everybody to believe he can walk on oil.
 
Wow... so much hate!

kokonut, I get the feeling that you'd be against Obama no matter what he does. Why don't you think about the other options that he would do? And see if you have a negative comment for that too.

Honestly, at this point, it's becoming obvious that you're just spurting out negativity towards Obama no matter what he does and that's why people here are not taking you seriously.

How about picking your battles?
 
Wow... so much hate!

kokonut, I get the feeling that you'd be against Obama no matter what he does. Why don't you think about the other options that he would do? And see if you have a negative comment for that too.

Honestly, at this point, it's becoming obvious that you're just spurting out negativity towards Obama no matter what he does and that's why people here are not taking you seriously.

How about picking your battles?
I think he is trying to educate us. All I have learned is that he really really really does not like Obama's administration. Since I have only seen his comments post-election, I wonder what would happen if there were 100% Conservatives in every single elected office, and all Supreme Court Justices appointed by a Conservative President? Would we get wonderful silence, or would we be subject to crowing on what a great day it was?

I believe that too much of anything is not a good thing. We need all sides to work together.
 
Wow... so much hate!

kokonut, I get the feeling that you'd be against Obama no matter what he does. Why don't you think about the other options that he would do? And see if you have a negative comment for that too.

Honestly, at this point, it's becoming obvious that you're just spurting out negativity towards Obama no matter what he does and that's why people here are not taking you seriously.

How about picking your battles?

In all this time he hasn't done anything right. The policy he pushes I disagree with. He continues to show contempt, finger points, refuses to take responsibility, refuses to be accountable for his own actions and generally does everything opposite around here. He's in it over his head. I've not found anything satisfactory in what he has done so far. None. Can you find it for me?

So, take a cue from me, it's about hating his policy and his actions, his agenda and not about hating the man himself which I said time and time again that I'm sure he'd be a cool guy to sit down and have a non-political chat or play a game of pickup basketball.
 
In all this time he hasn't done anything right. The policy he pushes I disagree with. He continues to show contempt, finger points, refuses to take responsibility, refuses to be accountable for his own actions and generally does everything opposite around here. He's in it over his head. I've not found anything satisfactory in what he has done so far. None. Can you find it for me?

Find it for you??? You've GOT to be kidding, right? We all know that no matter what I find, no matter what I tell you, you're in the corner, waiting to attack me with a bunch of links you will google in 2 minutes of articles written from your friends, the Anti-Obama peeps.

I think the 2 minutes Ive spend writing this post is enough. I'm just trying to explain why people are not taking you seriously. I would think you'd be more effective if you'd pick your battles.

but, hey, to each their own, right?
 
BP rejected James Cameron's help too as well. *shrugs*
 
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