Arizona Governor Signs Additional Controversial Bill

Steinhauer · 05-12-2010, 04:09 AM

Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies - Yahoo! News

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PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program on Tuesday, hours after a report by United Nations human rights experts condemned the measure.

State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the measure for years, said a Tucson school district program promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites while segregating students by race.

"It's just like the old South, and it's long past time that we prohibited it," Horne said.

The measure prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group. It also prohibits classes that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government.

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Six UN human rights experts released a statement earlier Tuesday expressing concern about the measure. All people have the right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage, they said.

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State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.

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"The governor believes ... public school students should be taught to treat and value each other as individuals and not be taught to resent or hate other races or classes of people," Senseman said.

kokonut · 05-12-2010, 10:09 AM

Segregation by race in class is a no no.

**Jiro** · 05-12-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Segregation by race in class is a no no.

huh? there was a segregation in class? where?

**Jiro** · 05-12-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies - Yahoo! News

amazing... just amazing.... can this governor be any more bigot? Do you know what this mean? It means Governor is abusing her power by censoring all historical events relating to mistreatment of minorities by Americans.

This means - the discussion of MLK History, Japanese Internment Camps in US, and Native Indians being given with blankets infected with typhus is banned. I'm not surprised about this disgusting bigotry. Arizona has long boycotted against MLK Day being recognized as national holiday.

Jan Brewer - You disgust me.

05-12-2010, 03:54 PM

First post.

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State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the measure for years, said a Tucson school district program promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites while segregating students by race.

**Banjo** · 05-12-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

First post.

It seems like that's what the State schools chief Tom Horne is saying, but is it true?

**Jiro** · 05-12-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

First post.

that's my point. I believe they took it completely out of context and completely twisted it. For example - ESL program. To Jan Brewer's bigoted eyes - that's segregation.

05-12-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

It seems like that's what the State schools chief Tom Horne is saying, but is it true?

If it is then it's wrong.

05-12-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

that's my point. I believe they took it completely out of context and completely twisted it. For example - ESL program. To Jan Brewer's bigoted eyes - that's segregation.

that would need further investigation.

souggy · 05-12-2010, 03:58 PM

Deaf Culture Studies wouldn't be allowed?

05-12-2010, 04:03 PM

Some of the motivation may be found here.

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So whatever would drive the legislature to do this?

Well, the Associated Press reports, the state’s Republican superintendent of public instruction, Tom Horne, is behind the bill. Horne, who is running for attorney general, has wanted to limit the program for several years, since he learned that Hispanic civil right activist Dolores Herta told Tucson high school students that “Republicans hate Latinos.”

Horne said he believes the district’s ethnic studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people and promotes racial hatred. Public schools, he said, should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race.

Sen. Linda Lopez, D-Tucson, was quoted by the Arizona Daily Star as saying that the legislation is really an effort to stop the program. Bingo.

You can’t make up this stuff.

Source: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ans...-now-it-i.html

**Jiro** · 05-12-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

that would need further investigation.

Banjo's post sparkled me to do some "investigating" on Tom Horne. I'm very disturbed... here - he has been pushing this since last year.

Arizona schools superintendent pushes ban on ethnic studies

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Arizona's schools superintendent Tom Horne is pushing legislation to ban ethnic-studies courses from high schools, specifically the 22 courses offered at four Tucson high schools in history, government, and literature.

If Senate Bill 1069 becomes law, a district or charter school that allows such courses would lose 10 percent of its state funds each month. The money would be returned when the district shut down the program.

"The job of the public schools is to develop the student's identity as Americans and as strong individuals," Horne said. "It's not the job of the public schools to promote ethnic chauvinism."

At the last minute, Horne added two exceptions to his bill. Native American studies would be exempt because these courses are protected by federal law. Also exempt is any grouping of students based on academic performance, even if most of the students are predominantly from one ethnic background. This would prevent the new mandatory four-hours-a-day language classes for English learners from running afoul of the law. Sen. Jonathan Paton, a Tucson Republican, is sponsoring the legislation.

Horne called ethnic studies "harmful and dysfunctional" and has tried for nearly two years to persudade Tucson voters to bounce the local school board members who supported ethnic studies. The strategy failed, and Horne reported that some board members want to expand the program to middle school. Students are on waiting lists to get into the courses at Tucson and Cholla High Magnet Schools, said Augustine Romero, who heads the district program.

Romero also teaches one of the courses, U.S. Government and Social Justice. This course teaches the historic functions of government by tracking the changes in court decisions and legislation that reflect America's changing attitudes toward minorities.

Romero said the district supports the courses for good reasons: They connect students to their cultural past and their roles in American history, including students with Native American, Mexican, Asian and African American heritages. They heighten student interest and make the courses relevant to their everyday experience. Data collected since 2002 by the Tucson school district show students who attend the courses perform better on AIMS, the state's standardized test, than students who do not attend the courses. That fulfills the goal of No Child Left Behind, which is to raise student achievement among minority students.

"This legislation is very mean spirited," Romero said. These courses "should be recognized and applauded and people should be finding ways to implement this methodology, rather than attacking it because it doesn't fit into their narrow box of how things should be done."

what an incredible amount of bigotry in here.....

05-12-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Banjo's post sparkled me to do some "investigating" on Tom Horne......

Yeah I did too. See post #11

Steinhauer · 05-12-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Deaf Culture Studies wouldn't be allowed?

if it segregated students by race then ...no it wouldn't be allowed.

Should there be all inclusive "whites only" classes teaching white children about white men in Viet Nam?

Should schools be segregated? Is it ok to teach non-Caucasian children to hate Caucasians?

After all children do better when there are people that look like them in their curriculum ..... say the opponents of this law.

souggy · 05-12-2010, 07:22 PM

But Deaf Culture Studies sometimes harbour bitterness toward hearing people. We, the Deaf, don't see this, but a few hearing people who see what is being taught thinks otherwise.

Steinhauer · 05-12-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

But Deaf Culture Studies sometimes harbour bitterness toward hearing people. We, the Deaf, don't see this, but a few hearing people who see what is being taught thinks otherwise.

harboring bitterness against others is wrong.

**Jiro** · 05-12-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

if it segregated students by race then ...no it wouldn't be allowed.

Should there be all inclusive "whites only" classes teaching white children about white men in Viet Nam?

Should schools be segregated? Is it ok to teach non-Caucasian children to hate Caucasians?

After all children do better when there are people that look like them in their curriculum ..... say the opponents of this law.

do you obviously think we're still using segregation? it's a clear violation of federal law.

Steinhauer · 05-12-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

do you obviously think we're still using segregation? it's a clear violation of federal law.

That is why Jan Brewer signed this law. It does away with segregation.

**TXgolfer** · 05-12-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Banjo's post sparkled me to do some "investigating" on Tom Horne. I'm very disturbed... here - he has been pushing this since last year.

Arizona schools superintendent pushes ban on ethnic studies

what an incredible amount of bigotry in here.....

The bigotry I see is in the courses themselves. I like this law.

Ethnic studies classes in a public school........Sounds like a course in discourse. Valuable time taken from learning skills and spent on learning to bitch about differences instead.

Steinhauer · 05-12-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

The bigotry I see is in the courses themselves. I like this law.

Ethnic studies classes in a public school........Sounds like a course in discourse. Valuable time taken from learning skills and spent on learning to bitch about differences instead.

I happen to agree with your assessment.

kokonut · 05-12-2010, 08:49 PM

Very astute observation, TXgolfer.

**Jiro** · 05-12-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

That is why Jan Brewer signed this law. It does away with segregation.

was there actually a segregation? All I see is Tom Horne's hearsay. rambling. tirade.

why is this law needed if segregation is already illegal under federal law?

**Jiro** · 05-12-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

The bigotry I see is in the courses themselves. I like this law.

Ethnic studies classes in a public school........Sounds like a course in discourse. Valuable time taken from learning skills and spent on learning to bitch about differences instead.

exactly what courses are they? what are these materials like? Again - all I see is Tom Horne's hearsay. rambling. tirade.

If the course material does indeed preach about racial resentment toward whites..... then I support this law.

Steinhauer · 05-12-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

exactly what courses are they? what are these materials like? Again - all I see is Tom Horne's hearsay. rambling. tirade.

If the course material does indeed preach about racial resentment toward whites..... then I support this law.

You Tube

**Jiro** · 05-12-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

YouTube - rekab1237's Channel

what about it? I don't see anything that preaches of resentment or violence or anything at all against white people. I suppose you want them to remove MLK material too?

Steinhauer · 05-13-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

what about it? I don't see anything that preaches of resentment or violence or anything at all against white people. I suppose you want them to remove MLK material too?

I am not commenting on racist rhetorical analysis.

It looked like a class being conducted in Mexico to me. Isn't Mexico a country?

Steinhauer · 05-13-2010, 12:22 AM

besides this, the controversial illegal immigrant law, and the no-permit CC laws, she also just passed a state knife pre-emption bill, a bill that stopped secure facilities from keeping information on checked-in guns (de facto registration), and strengthened the castle doctrine (no duty to retreat anywhere you are, not just affirmative defense in domicile/vehicle). and as a bonus, she also just let our state police traffic camera "trial" expire...no more traffic cameras.

I'm really starting to warm up to this chick.

**Jiro** · 05-13-2010, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I am not commenting on racist rhetorical analysis.

It looked like a class being conducted in Mexico to me. Isn't Mexico a country?

your post does not make any sense. You are not commenting on "racist rhetorical analysis" but you just concluded that this class was being conducted in a racist manner.

Steinhauer · 05-13-2010, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

your post does not make any sense. You are not commenting on "racist rhetorical analysis" but you just concluded that this class was being conducted in a racist manner.

I still won't take the bait

Are teacher's allowed to teach religion in class? Is prayer allowed? Are they allowed to say "God has spoken" in regards to their "revolutionary cause"?

**Jiro** · 05-13-2010, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I still won't take the bait

Are teacher's allowed to teach religion in class? Is prayer allowed? Are they allowed to say "God has spoken" in regards to their "revolutionary cause"?

but religion is not being taught here. do you agree that MLK history should not be taught in class?

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Segregation by race in class is a no no. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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souggy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 9,541	Deaf Culture Studies wouldn't be allowed? __________________ "It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don’t understand it." - Richard Freynman

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souggy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 9,541	But Deaf Culture Studies sometimes harbour bitterness toward hearing people. We, the Deaf, don't see this, but a few hearing people who see what is being taught thinks otherwise. __________________ "It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don’t understand it." - Richard Freynman

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Very astute observation, TXgolfer. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	besides this, the controversial illegal immigrant law, and the no-permit CC laws, she also just passed a state knife pre-emption bill, a bill that stopped secure facilities from keeping information on checked-in guns (de facto registration), and strengthened the castle doctrine (no duty to retreat anywhere you are, not just affirmative defense in domicile/vehicle). and as a bonus, she also just let our state police traffic camera "trial" expire...no more traffic cameras. I'm really starting to warm up to this chick.