Arizona governor signs immigration bill - Page 9

Steinhauer · 04-25-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

same answer as my post #234.

*singing - london bridge is falling down.... falling down.....*

will post this again since you didn't "get it" the first time:

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The president, speaking at a ceremony to naturalize two dozen immigrant U.S. troops, said the fact that Arizona is acting on its own is evidence that Congress need to pass a broad bill legalizing illegal immigrants at the national level.

Now, it does not take a person with some super secret knowledge of the inner workings of this administration (such as yourself

) to figure out that the president wants to make legal voters out of 20+ million illegal immigrants.

I think you do "get it" but this game your playing has been entertaining.

**Jiro** · 04-25-2010, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

will post this again since you didn't "get it" the first time:

Now, it does not take a person with some super secret knowledge of the inner workings of this administration (such as yourself

) to figure out that the president wants to make legal voters out of 20+ million illegal immigrants.

I think you do "get it" but this game your playing has been entertaining.

lemme guess - you've been reading a lil' too much right-wing conspiracy theory forum? well it's been fun.

oh wait - you've already told us before that you do hang around at those kind of sites.

Steinhauer · 04-25-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no sir!

and it has been this policy for decades.. well since forever!

and do you think illegals are entitled to Civil Rights after crossing the border illegally?

That's the whole darn problem. Entitlement of rights.

Those are reserved solely for US Citizens. The law abiding kind.

Steinhauer · 04-25-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

lemme guess - you've been reading a lil' too much right-wing conspiracy theory forum? well it's been fun.

oh wait - you've already told us before that you do hang around at those kind of sites.

let me guess, if you cannot refute a point, you attack.

That must take some higher level of critical thinking LOL

**Jiro** · 04-25-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

let me guess, if you cannot refute a point, you attack.

I already did in post #234 and souggy already did in post #230. You continued to fail to provide substantial amount of source that backs your claim. and I have refuted your point that is backed by a very limited statement which is..... a single line from an article.

**Jiro** · 04-25-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

That's the whole darn problem. Entitlement of rights.

Those are reserved solely for US Citizens. The law abiding kind.

ah gotcha. since you believe the illegals are not entitled to Civil Rights after crossing the border illegally, I guess you believe these illegals should be treated like dirt, shot on sight like dirt, and imprisoned in trunk like dirt while driving them back to border.

gotcha.

for answering my question.

Steinhauer · 04-25-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

ah gotcha. since you believe the illegals are not entitled to Civil Rights after crossing the border illegally, I guess you believe these illegals should be treated like dirt, shot on sight like dirt, and imprisoned in trunk like dirt while driving them back to border.

gotcha.

for answering my question.

Thank you for putting words in my mouth that I did not say. Let me guess, you drank the leftist kool aid didn't you?

You think that illegals should be given "more rights" than those who entered the US legally don't you?

You believe they are entitled to these so called "rights" because after all, they are not "really" criminals.

Treat them like criminals because that is what they are.

Anything less would be unfair to those who entered the US legally.

Why stop there? Why not give rights back to convicted felons?

**Jiro** · 04-25-2010, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Thank you for putting words in my mouth that I did not say. Let me guess, you drank the leftist kool aid didn't you?

hmm.... I'm not sure if the leftists would like me... especially with the sight of my holster and my stance on other issues that would offend them

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

You think that illegals should be given "more rights" than those who entered the US legally don't you?

what rights? you have not answered my previous question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

You believe they are entitled to these so called "rights" because after all, they are not "really" criminals.

do you know what Civil Rights is, buddy?

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Treat them like criminals because that is what they are.

so how do you treat them? shoot them on sight?

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Anything less would be unfair to those who entered the US legally.

right. we deport them back. we don't hog-tie them or kill them or drag them by their feet to truck or horse back to border. right? because they have civil rights. they're human beings. God Bless America that we're not savage beast.

souggy · 04-25-2010, 10:15 PM

Wirelessly posted

Leftist?

Ha.

**Foxrac** · 04-25-2010, 10:31 PM

I LOL'D.

Illegal immigrants are just human and they should be deport without mistreat or abuse them, just smooth to put them in Mexico if they crossing into US.

whatdidyousay! · 04-25-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rampratt

I agree with you Jiro ! This came to my mind when I heard this TV! There are a lot of cops that love to abuse their power!

% is quite small and you are going to have good and bad anyway. If you want to see abuse of power look at our government!

The key word is "illegal" and as far as "profiling" goes, it's an unfortunate side affect. Face it, if your going fishing, you usually look for water and if you are looking for a certain kind of fish you look where there is most likely to be that kind of fish. Again, if your legal you have nothing to fear. Yes I'm sure there will be some abuse and some very inconvenient situations but over all we have to do something. As it is we are unable to take proper care of the legal residents, much caused by the illegal ones. Most people in this country don't know what harassment is. I was on a train from Praha to Berlin a ago and one Young lady on that train had to show identification about 5 or 6 times just between those two cities some Checz and some German. The rest of us only twice that I can remember. You get used to carrying passport around your neck.

"Most people in this country don't know what harassment is. " Are you joking ! I was pulled over by the cops in Boston for being with a Black man!
The cops told us they did did not like the looks of us , meaning they did not like seeing a White woman with a Black man! And the cops said they would harass us any time they saw us!
And they did , four cops ran after us while we were walking on the sidewalk and rough up my boyfriend! . There thousands of people that know how it feel to be
harass in our country! Kids are bullies every day across the country and that is harassment! I had a Black that shot because he slip on ice and touch as white woman by mistake! Her boyfriend tried to kill my friend for being a Black man! If that had been a white that touch the woman it would had ok!
My friend said he was sorry a couple of times but that was not good enough!
My friend was able to pick up a cover from a trash can and hit the guy with it
after being shot! I was happy to heard that!

Berry · 04-25-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Why stop there? Why not give rights back to convicted felons?

Well there was a time in this country when a person had served their time they were considered to have "paid their debt to society" and were hopefully given the chance to change.

Nowadays if a kid is convicted of shoplifting they have "a record that will haunt them for the rest of their life."

The adamant, unforgiving, no mercy, no quarter, zero tolerance, zero permission, world you want to live in is not the one I would wish on my grandchildren and great grandchildren.

whatdidyousay! · 04-25-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Well, Arizona is following a Federal law.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf

As long as there exists a "reasonable suspicion" then a “reasonable attempt” can be done to verify the suspect’s immigration status is. Arizona is actually enforcing and following a Federal law.

Sorry dude.

So you think it ok to pull over any person that does not look like he was born here! I am sure glad my brother -in law does not live in AZ . as he not born here! And yes he it legal! I am glad Obama is trying to see if the law violate people civil rights! Who know there could be a law to pull over people for being too fat one day as it a threat to our country security ! If AZ can pass this law any laws can be pass to take away people rights! People better wake up before it too late!

**Jiro** · 04-25-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Berry

Well there was a time in this country when a person had served their time they were considered to have "paid their debt to society" and were hopefully given the chance to change.

Nowadays if a kid is convicted of shoplifting they have "a record that will haunt them for the rest of their life."

The adamant, unforgiving, no mercy, no quarter, zero tolerance, zero permission, world you want to live in is not the one I would wish on my grandchildren and great grandchildren.

just like Cesar Millan. He's paid for his crime to the United States government.

Steinhauer · 04-25-2010, 11:01 PM

The political "machine" has been calling the illegal aliens pre-citizens so I'd say that is an indication as to what will happen. Instead of punishment for violating United States immigration laws, they will be rewarded for their lawlessness. Basically, those following immigration laws and making the attempt to assimilate into United States culture will be slapped in the face. Their efforts to abide by United States law will be laughed at by all the illegal aliens who are given the "fast track" to United States citizenship.

Steinhauer · 04-25-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Berry

Well there was a time in this country when a person had served their time they were considered to have "paid their debt to society" and were hopefully given the chance to change.

Nowadays if a kid is convicted of shoplifting they have "a record that will haunt them for the rest of their life."

The adamant, unforgiving, no mercy, no quarter, zero tolerance, zero permission, world you want to live in is not the one I would wish on my grandchildren and great grandchildren.

well, I don't want to live in a world where you give gun ownership rights back to convicted rapists and murderers .... but if you want to, why not move to a country that does?

Berry · 04-25-2010, 11:13 PM

So what are you going to do with Native American Indians and halfbreeds like me, whose biological father was born on Cherokee land and technically was never a "citizen"?

Native American Netroots: Citizenship

Edit: BTW Native American Indians are now considered citizens.... I guess they paid their debt to society as well.

Berry · 04-25-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

just like Cesar Millan. He's paid for his crime to the United States government.

See Jiro, you said it yourself, Illegal Immigrants are going to the dogs.

**deafskeptic** · 04-25-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

don't you think this will increase cases of pull-overs and police harassment on law-abiding immigrants?

When I lived in a mostly Mexican neighborhood, I noticed cops were likely to let me go by even if I ran a stop light (i try not to make a habit of it.) but they didn't give the same leeway for my Mexican neighbors. To tell the truth, my neighborhood was mostly Mexicans but then Latinos from South America started moving there a few years ago.

Steinhauer · 04-26-2010, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berry

So what are you going to do with Native American Indians and halfbreeds like me, whose biological father was born on Cherokee land and technically was never a "citizen"?

Native American Netroots: Citizenship

Edit: BTW Native American Indians are now considered citizens.... I guess they paid their debt to society as well.

I am part Miami. What is your point?

If you live on a reservation, you don't have to pay taxes.

Again, lets steer this back on topic. We are talking about illegal immigrants.

Criminals. People who fail to follow the law. We are NOT talking about hispanics, native americans, latinos, etc. It is about those who enter the United States illegally.

It has to stop. Deport the offenders. the government has been way too soft and that is why it is an enormous problem. Time to draw the line.

souggy · 04-26-2010, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I am part Miami. What is your point?

If you live on a reservation, you don't have to pay taxes.

Again, lets steer this back on topic. We are talking about illegal immigrants.

Criminals. People who fail to follow the law. We are NOT talking about hispanics, native americans, latinos, etc. It is about those who enter the United States illegally.

It has to stop. Deport the offenders. the government has been way too soft and that is why it is an enormous problem. Time to draw the line.

So we can ignore the problems such as wage slavery, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, endangered pet trade, and arms trade?

Seems like a form of scrapegoating to me... punish the visible offenders, and leave elite exploiters alone.

Maybe for once... we should go after the drug lords instead of the drug dealers, the big corporates looking for cheap labour instead of the illegal labourers, the breeders instead of the traffickers, the arms hoarders instead of the middlemen, the agents instead of the prostitutes.

Steinhauer · 04-26-2010, 12:38 AM

Arizona fallout: Can Senate take up immigration reform from scratch? - Yahoo! News

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Immigration reform: Harder than last time?In a signal of how difficult passage of an immigration reform bill might be, the primary Republican supporter of the 2007 bid for federal immigration reform – Sen. John McCain of Arizona – backed the Arizona law signed by Gov. Jan Brewer last week. He is currently locked in a tight primary race, and 70 percent of Arizona voters approve of the law, according to Rasmussen reports.

70% wow! Even my Mexican cousins back this law.

Yeah, you out there trying to make this a "racist" thing have failed.

souggy · 04-26-2010, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Arizona fallout: Can Senate take up immigration reform from scratch? - Yahoo! News

70% wow! Even my Mexican cousins back this law.

Yeah, you out there trying to make this a "racist" thing have failed.

Yet... all of my Latino friends are outraged at Arizona.

It goes two way.

**Jiro** · 04-26-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I am part Miami. What is your point?

If you live on a reservation, you don't have to pay taxes.

Again, lets steer this back on topic. We are talking about illegal immigrants.

Criminals. People who fail to follow the law. We are NOT talking about hispanics, native americans, latinos, etc. It is about those who enter the United States illegally.

It has to stop. Deport the offenders. the government has been way too soft and that is why it is an enormous problem. Time to draw the line.

that's what we have been doing. What did you think what the government did with illegals when they catch them?

**Jiro** · 04-26-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

well, I don't want to live in a world where you give gun ownership rights back to convicted rapists and murderers .... but if you want to, why not move to a country that does?

what country does that?

CJB · 04-26-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Arizona fallout: Can Senate take up immigration reform from scratch? - Yahoo! News

70% wow! Even my Mexican cousins back this law.

Yeah, you out there trying to make this a "racist" thing have failed.

Your two cousins back up this law which automatically sucks out all the covert racism from this law.

Let's see if they're singing a different tune when they get pulled over every 5 minutes to get their papers checked. (Unless they're lucky and don't live in AZ.)

**Jiro** · 04-26-2010, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

The political "machine" has been calling the illegal aliens pre-citizens so I'd say that is an indication as to what will happen. Instead of punishment for violating United States immigration laws, they will be rewarded for their lawlessness. Basically, those following immigration laws and making the attempt to assimilate into United States culture will be slapped in the face. Their efforts to abide by United States law will be laughed at by all the illegal aliens who are given the "fast track" to United States citizenship.

still haven't answered my question yet. you kept talking about illegals having more rights than criminals.

what rights are you talking about?

**Jiro** · 04-26-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CJB

Your two cousins back up this law which automatically sucks out all the covert racism from this law.

I have a feeling that his cousins are "part Mexican". Just assuming.

**Foxrac** · 04-26-2010, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Arizona fallout: Can Senate take up immigration reform from scratch? - Yahoo! News

70% wow! Even my Mexican cousins back this law.

Yeah, you out there trying to make this a "racist" thing have failed.

It is just polls so nothing is accurate.

AZ immigrant bill impacts on legal immigrants and citizen born too, if they don't bring or forget to bring the documentation so they could arrest by police.

AZ immigrant bill is unconstitutional because it isn't okay for police to pull the car over or knock the door to demand for immigrant status as primary case.

The court will going kill this bill like they did to immigrant bill in Oklahoma in 2 years ago. Let ICE agents handle with illegal immigrants, not police.

**Foxrac** · 04-26-2010, 01:03 AM

I have feel that illegal immigrants would escape from AZ to other states like CA, NM, TX, etc so AZ immigrant bill fail.

It is better to let federal to get deal with illegal immigrants and I wasn't impressed about what congress's job with immigrant reform, even GOP won't back it.

Increase more ICE agents, secure the border on US-Mexico and assistance with employers to not hire illegal immigrants are best solution to do.

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Steinhauer Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,191 Blog Entries: 1	The political "machine" has been calling the illegal aliens pre-citizens so I'd say that is an indication as to what will happen. Instead of punishment for violating United States immigration laws, they will be rewarded for their lawlessness. Basically, those following immigration laws and making the attempt to assimilate into United States culture will be slapped in the face. Their efforts to abide by United States law will be laughed at by all the illegal aliens who are given the "fast track" to United States citizenship.