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Unread 03-24-2010, 04:51 PM   #31 (permalink)
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And it shows order and efficiency. Impressive marches. Too bad we don't have that here.
yea it's nice and impressive. but you're right that we don't have that here..... cuz we're busy saving the world


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Unread 03-24-2010, 04:57 PM   #32 (permalink)
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yea it's nice and impressive. but you're right that we don't have that here..... cuz we're busy saving the world

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We need to clean up. haha
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I love most of our state government. I love a government that does what is supposed to do.

During the great Texas drought Grover Cleveland denied federal support for Texas saying that charity was not a function of Government. We survived. In fact we have done quite well.

So it's not Government I dislike.....It's government as it is currently operating that I dislike. Big difference.

I have a hard time believing brave young men who paddled across the Delaware after sustaining months of defeat did so to provide an institution for beggers......

I worked hard and fought long odds to get where I am today. The gimme gimme gimme crowd doesn't sit well with me. :shrug:
Rather amusing, even puzzling, to see charges of being "anti-govt" or a "govt-hater" when people call for smaller and better efficiently run govt.
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Unread 03-24-2010, 09:01 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I said this myself! This bill is away for the government to take control of your lives! What is next, will the government being coming in our home and taking control of our heater thermostats so we will not be able to control it on our own anymore! The government could say we need stop using so much oil and we'll getting control everyone heat! Health insurance should not be a law!
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Unread 03-24-2010, 09:45 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I said this myself! This bill is away for the government to take control of your lives! What is next, will the government being coming in our home and taking control of our heater thermostats so we will not be able to control it on our own anymore! The government could say we need stop using so much oil and we'll getting control everyone heat! Health insurance should not be a law!
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they started taxing Kwh's past a certain level. A residential cap and trade.
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I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they started taxing Kwh's past a certain level. A residential cap and trade.
Yeah , I could see that happening! The government is trying to pass a sugar
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I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they started taxing Kwh's past a certain level. A residential cap and trade.
the municipals do that for water consumption but not by tax.... just fines. They usually do this during drought.
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Fines are a form of taxation. They just call it a "fine" just so it sound less benign.
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Conservative media figures have asserted that in a March 22 interview, Rep. John Dingell said health care reform will "control the people." In fact, Dingell has said that conservatives are taking him out of context and has explained that he was referring to "overseeing" the "insurance companies."
source: Dingell rebuts claims that he said purpose of health care reform is to "control" the American people | Media Matters for America

Before you say "that's left wing website and I am not going to trust it" just go there because there's source link in the article to the interview and his statement on his website which was released day after the conservatives took him out of context.

Obviously you didn't read the whole interview that he took. the blog you quoted just chopped to that part. Remember DeafNotes? you told those haters to quote you fully not chopped with the "..."

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"If one were to listen to the entire interview, and not just a clip creatively chopped up for political gain, it is obvious that by 'people' I was referring to the insurance companies who we must do a better job of overseeing. Specifically, we are going to end the deplorable practices of those who rescind the health insurance policies of people on gurneys heading into emergency rooms.
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Congressman Ted Poe of Texas wrote this!
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Mr. Speaker, we are told that we must immediately pass this government takeover of healthcare or there will be healthcare panic in the streets. Now, we know the real reason this bill is being rushed to passage, even though no one has had time to read it. According to the Speaker, as quoted, "We have to pass this bill so that you can find out what is in it." Let me repeat what the Speaker said: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

After all, it's 2,700 pages long, and it's just too long to find out what's in it before we vote on it. So now we know, it has to be voted on so it can be read. I guess if Members read the whole bill before they voted, they might actually vote it down.

But there's one thing that we do know that's in this bill, and it is that it steals the right of privacy for all Americans. It will invade people's legal right to medical privacy. The government gets control over everybody's healthcare information, and it's another reason why we should oppose the bill. The government has no business sticking its nose into people's medical records. It's none of the government's business. The bill creates a healthcare integrity data bank where the Feds have access to everybody's medical records. Healthcare information is supposed to be between the patient and the doctor, not the patient and some yet unnamed, anonymous, unaccountable federal bureaucrat hiding somewhere in this building.

When the government has everybody's medical records, they are at risk for misuse. Giving government bureaucrats' access to people's most private and intimate health information means their health records become public property. People's most intimate private health care information, warts and all, becomes the property of the U.S. Government. The Federal Government grab of healthcare will eliminate any masquerade of medical privacy.

The 111 new federal agencies in this bill, that we have yet to read, will be snooping through your records. Talk to your doctor, and the government will know what you said. You've got some type of illness or disease, well, the government's going to know about it. Feeling a bit depressed after a family death and need some medication? Well, the government will even know your mental health issues. Now, is this the kind of information that should be in the hands of federal bureaucrats, a bunch of busybody bureaucrats bestowed with the task to go forth and do good to the people?

The famous author C.S. Lewis once said, "Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons' cruelty may sometimes sleep, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end."

See, don't worry, the bureaucrats will boast. It's for your own good that we know this information. It won't hurt too much.

Once medical records are available to the Feds, every government agency will want to get their hands on those private medical records. That's just the way those bureaucrats work. And every American will be required to be a part of the Big Brother health care database.

People won't talk to their doctor anymore about their problems. They'll know somewhere in the deep, dark, dank dungeons of Washington, D.C., a federal bureaucrat will be reading and perusing their medical records.

This is an invasion of privacy, and it violates the U.S. Constitution. The whole scheme denies individual liberty when the government takes over healthcare.

Thomas Jefferson even talked about universal healthcare once. He said: If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.

When government takes over healthcare, it will equalize poor health for everybody. The government takeover of healthcare is not about health and it's sure not about care. It's about government control of our personal lives. And this legislation violates our U.S. Constitution because it steals the right of privacy right from underneath us, all in the name of taking care of us.

And that's just the way it is.
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Number one, if you, Boult, understand already it's the govt, which is growing and burgeoning more people than ever before, is in fact designed to “control the people.” And the people in charge do believe they should be in charge of “controlling the people” instead of supporting and defending the Constitution which was their oath when they signed up to do the job as a public servant. Else they wouldn't have mandated that everybody pay for health insurance which is unconstitutional in the first place. What Dingell said may have been a Freudian slip but what he said isn't far from the truth.
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Public servants, eh? You mean perpetual chair-warmers?

Oh, just learned that the Bill was sent back to the House by the Senate. So, let's see if they pass it again, after having heard what people think of it.
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Number one, if you, Boult, understand already it's the govt, which is growing and burgeoning more people than ever before, is in fact designed to “control the people.” And the people in charge do believe they should be in charge of “controlling the people” instead of supporting and defending the Constitution which was their oath when they signed up to do the job as a public servant. Else they wouldn't have mandated that everybody pay for health insurance which is unconstitutional in the first place. What Dingell said may have been a Freudian slip but what he said isn't far from the truth.
Dingle can't even get his excuses straight. I saw him on the ed.....he admited it was a mistake there.
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TXGolfer, what did you think of what Ted Poe had to say above?
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TXGolfer, what did you think of what Ted Poe had to say above?
I think it was well said. The medical privacy issue may be my biggest concern of all. Think about this....even past records go online. I can totally understand people who are wanting to leave the country now. Some argue that the place they will move to is no better. I compare it to when a person has their house broken into. I have known many that moved after their house was broken into. The place they moved wasn't better necessarily.....but at least it wasn't a reminder of where they were violated. This week the framers were violated, everyone who fought for freedom was violated and the those that enjoy the freedom this country provides were violated. By 5 votes and the stroke of a pen our country and freedom has taken a greater hit than has ever been dealt by a foreign aggressor.
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Ah, so we are slowly imploding from within! Thanks, TXG!!
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Ah, so we are slowly imploding from within! Thanks, TXG!!
You couldn't have said it better! Sadly we are present to see that happen before our very eyes.
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Ah, so we are slowly imploding from within! Thanks, TXG!!

That's the way I see it. It is sad......actually it is beyond sad, it is disgusting
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That's the way I see it. It is sad......actually it is beyond sad, it is disgusting
Alas it has happened to every country that has existed in history and USA would not be an exception.
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Alas it has happened to every country that has existed in history and USA would not be an exception.
We gotta make us an exception! We gotta!
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You can try but it's a fact of life here on earth. Roman empire lasted for nearly 1000 years if memory serves but it eventually imploded on itself also.
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You can try but it's a fact of life here on earth. Roman empire lasted for nearly 1000 years if memory serves but it eventually imploded on itself also.
Yeah but we ain't that old!
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Yeah but we ain't that old!
Don't matter about age. Some don't even last more than few years. I would say 200 to 300 years is average age for countries.
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Don't matter about age. Some don't even last more than few years. I would say 200 to 300 years is average age for countries.
So are you just gonna implode, too?
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So are you just gonna implode, too?
If you mean die, yep! It's not if, it's when!
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If you mean die, yep! It's not if, it's when!
No, I meant give up hope.
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No, I meant give up hope.
I only have one hope and that's not in this life on earth. On earth, I have a realistic view.
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