jillio

No, netrox is just saying that stupid people have to obey the law, too.

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shel90

I am still learning a lot about this. I want the health care reform to pass but not at the expense of people. If it is fair to business and their employees, then I am all for it. If there are some aspects to it that can hurt people, then I would like to see amendments to it. I am sure it is not going to be perfect science at first.

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lol... if the 50 people is true... I can see small companies splitting up into different companies to avoid paying.

My family's company is very easy to split up. I might as well drop the idea by.

Reba

Some businesses use independent contract workers only, rather than hiring them to their company.

TXgolfer

Yep. The IRS may crack down harder on this but there is a way to beat it legally. Have your workers get a DBA and pay the business name....Perfectly legal. You still 1099 the same way. Another idea is to share your labor with friends you might have in the business. Temps and interns could work too. People will just have to think harder now.

kokonut

Yep. All perfectly legal, Txgolfer. If businesses cannot make a profit to survive because of idiots in Washington they will certainly fold. Need to retain as much money as legally possible to survive and continue the business.

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jillio

Independent contractors are considered to be self employed, are they not?

Reba

As a terp, I do all my business as an independent contractor.

TXgolfer

Excellent. Most of my people were contract labor.

I have a PA now. She is contract labor as well

kokonut

Contracting is big business. I'm taking a 40 hour course this week on contracting to be a contractor's officer/inspector.

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yizuman

So there's a law that excepts self employers from having to get health insurance?

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TXgolfer

No....but you only have to provide insurance for your employees. Not for contractors.....So one way to beat the mandate would be to fire your employess and use contractors or temps

jillio

No. Those that are self employed will still be required to have insurance. They just don't have an employer to provide it for them. But that is the way it is now, too. It is one of the consequences you accept when you become self employed.

netrox

And you have a duty to pay your share for the health care.

Why is it so hard to accept that you should be responsible? Anyone who jettison health insurance is irresponsible, given the fact that it often leads them to be broke and go bankrupt.

netrox

The government is NOT your enemy. Its goal is to provide you rights, protect you, and assure your welfare.

Teabaggers twist our government to become our "enemy." Tea baggers should be in a party called Meth Party because they show extraordinary paranoia - a common symptom in meth abuse.

TXgolfer

It's good common sense to be prepared and to look for LEGAL ways to control your expenses.

jillio

Not only that, they ask the rest of society to take up their slack when they don't have insurance and have an unexpected heart attack, stroke, or get diagnosed with cancer. Oh, it's a different story then! They bitch and moan about paying health care premiums that helped to cover others, but when they need the help, their hand is stuck out farther than anyone's and you hear all sorts of whining about how unfair life is.

Just like the ones that run their mouths the loudest against reform, but don't have the courage or the conviction to stand by their supposed principles.

netrox

I love when old people tell Obama, "Keep the government out of my Medicare!"

LOL!

jillio

Another example of complete failure to stand up to the principles that they so loudly proclaim to have.

One thing is certain...the health care debate has served to show the character...or more often, the lack of character...of many.

kokonut

Nothing wrong in trying to keep your business alive through legal means to help continue to make a profit. What part of business do people do not understand? No business means no jobs for people. Consider the foolish consequences of imposing additional taxes and other mandatory requirements that put additional financial strains increasing the risk of a business folding.

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jillio

"Legal means" would have to begin with obeying the law of the land.

TXgolfer

I did that's why I retired....lol

kokonut

Txgolfer, your example proves exactly the folly of imposing additional taxes to small businesses and other financially burdensome mandatory requirements.

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jillio

Oh, yeah! It causes people to retire!! OMG!!!

kokonut

Of course, it would require a person to have operated and run a business to know these things and hardship many face forcing them to go out of business. It'd be folly of others who do not know what it's like to be a business owner to think that higher taxes do not hurt. They do. Repercusions go down the line.

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TXgolfer

I wrote something similar in another thread. I always laugh when I hear people complain about the company the work for. They have no clue what it takes to make things work. Heck if it's that bad start a better one. There are plenty of businesses you can start for next to nothing

Foxrac

I'm pro-small business, of course but try to do around to treat small businesses as superior and they are deserved to have big tax break.

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yizuman

Well if this is a legal loophole from this health care bill, I can see a rise in demand from Temp Agencies. Hire temps and train them to work for an X amount of time and then rotate them out for a new set of employees.

For most Temp Agencies, they loan out their employees for a minimum of 3 months and then that's it. Temp Agencies gives them their last paycheck and they're gone. The temps then go another agency to find work. So I can see Temp Agencies flourishing from this kind of business deal and neither side has to provide Health Insurance because they're not considered full time or permanent workers.

A big savings for both the Temp Agency and the Company that contracts with them.

So I can see a big growth of all sorts of new Temp Agencies looking for a piece of the pie popping up all over the place trying to land contract deals with various companies.

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jillio

You are going on the assumption that those who are in favor of the current reform are not, nor have they ever been, business owners. WRONG!

The taxes will be raised, once again, on individuals making 200,000 or families making 250,000.

jillio

No, temp status won't create a loophole. If a company is using 50 temps, they still have 50 employees. And remember, part time workers figure into that 50.