Should the USA submit to Copenhagen treaty?

Reba · 10-27-2009, 10:42 PM

Should the USA surrender sovereignty to an international treaty?

Obama to Cede Union|Deaf Lion

(It's captioned.)

Home - COP15 United Nations Climate Change Conference Copenhagen 2009

Tousi · 10-28-2009, 03:03 AM

Hope we can get some good feedback on this frightening issue.

flip · 10-28-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Hope we can get some good feedback on this frightening issue.

What's frightening, the speaker in the first reba post or the threaty?

Is the speaker OK or not, when claiming that greenpeace, taken over by communists, have a secret agenda to create a world communist goverment

He also says that there is "no problem with climate..".

But great to see stuff like this subtitled, thanks for that one Reba!

Reba · 10-28-2009, 11:26 AM

Thanks to Tousi for finding the captioned video.

The treaty is frightening. It's another step for the United States to come closer to surrendering sovereignty to foreign entities.

I just hope that Congress has the good sense to turn down the treaty, as per our Constitution.

souggy · 10-28-2009, 11:29 AM

Need to read up on the treaty itself to understand what it is implementing..

All I can say is... he should had left out the commentary about Communism. The egg is on his face for that one.

Reba · 10-28-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Need to read up on the treaty itself to understand what it is implementing..

All I can say is... he should had left out the commentary about Communism. The egg is on his face for that one.

The video presentation introduces the problem.

The website with links to the exact text gives you the details.

The narrative summary is aimed at laymen.

The legal text is aimed at lawyers (but feel free to tackle it).

Reba · 10-28-2009, 11:50 AM

The President "... shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...."

Article II, Section 2, US Constitution

Foxrac · 10-28-2009, 12:50 PM

No way, I wouldn't want support Copenhagen treaty.

I hope Obama wouldn't sign, if he did so will affect 2010 mid-election.

Jiro · 10-28-2009, 12:59 PM

fake

Reba · 10-28-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

fake

What's fake? The treaty?

Jiro · 10-28-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What's fake? The treaty?

yup. this whole thing is a farce. why isn't this reported in major news agencies?

Maria · 10-28-2009, 01:20 PM

Possibility.. it can happen. I am certain that you know why.

Hopefully, Obama will NOT sign it, but if it related to his "new change" then, we will have a major problem. It will create chaos and destruction.

Jiro · 10-28-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

Possibility.. it can happen. I am certain that you know why.

Hopefully, Obama will NOT sign it, but if it related to his "new change" then, we will have a major problem. It will create chaos and destruction.

chaos and destruction? how?

Foxrac · 10-28-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

Possibility.. it can happen. I am certain that you know why.

Hopefully, Obama will NOT sign it, but if it related to his "new change" then, we will have a major problem. It will create chaos and destruction.

Wow, I should better to protect you from being victim from chaos.

sallylou · 10-28-2009, 01:44 PM

This guy's a whack job. Christopher Monckton is a "business consultant" and 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley (WTF?).

Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He has no scientific credentials. He's not even a real politician. I guess that he does "viscounty" things.

I want to hear from the scientists who are not funded by corporations.

Reba · 10-28-2009, 01:46 PM

It has been.

"We are confident that a legitimate bipartisan effort can put America back in the lead again and can empower our negotiators to sit down at the table in Copenhagen in December and insist that the rest of the world join us in producing a new international agreement on global warming."
Congress can still achieve climate change consensus The Post and Courier - Charleston SC newspaper

Obama seeks to shift climate talks - Climate Change- msnbc.com

United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change

Good news:

"What’s that mean for the prospects in Copenhagen? Top U.S. climate negotiator Jonathan Pershing, in Bloomberg: “It will be extraordinarily difficult for the U.S. to commit to a specific number in the absence of action from Congress.”"
Green Ink: Goodbye, Copenhagen - Environmental Capital - WSJ

For teachers:
EMU Teachers' COP15

Turns out, Obama may not even attend after all:

President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen - Times Online

Maria · 10-28-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

chaos and destruction? how?

What do you think it will happen once our Constitution throw out the window, if Obama decides to sign it ? What happens to our Bill of Rights, if they want One World government ? What is goin' to happen to us once the sovereignty is submitted to foreign entities ? Are we goin' to have civil war ?

Think of this: we have problem with economy, healthcare, and such. And, now this. Why causes all this chaos on our country ? Why ?? I don't see anythin' that is gettin' better. It's gettin' out of hands. Out of control. It's all about the power and control. It destroys on the "good" side. We gave away our freedom too much for peace and safety. Their peace and safety doesn't last.

Reba · 10-28-2009, 01:50 PM

It looks like the treaty will be delayed.

UN climate chief: No final, global warming treaty in 2009 - COP15 United Nations Climate Change Conference Copenhagen 2009

Maria · 10-28-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Wow, I should better to protect you from being victim from chaos.

You don't need to. I am perfectly fine like everyone else.

Jiro · 10-28-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

What do you think it will happen once our Constitution throw out the window, if Obama decides to sign it ? What happens to our Bill of Rights, if they want One World government ? What is goin' to happen to us once the sovereignty is submitted to foreign entities ? Are we goin' to have civil war ?

Think of this: we have problem with economy, healthcare, and such. And, now this. Why causes all this chaos on our country ? Why ?? I don't see anythin' that is gettin' better. It's gettin' out of hands. Out of control. It's all about the power and control. It destroys on the "good" side. We gave away our freedom too much for peace and safety. Their peace and safety doesn't last.

nothing for me to think about cuz it'll never happen

Maria · 10-28-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It looks like the treaty will be delayed.

UN climate chief: No final, global warming treaty in 2009 - COP15 United Nations Climate Change Conference Copenhagen 2009

Oh, that's good!

I prefer not to be here when it happens. LOL

Jiro · 10-28-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

It looks like the treaty will be delayed.

UN climate chief: No final, global warming treaty in 2009 - COP15 United Nations Climate Change Conference Copenhagen 2009

see? there you go. this is just your another fear-mongering last minute scare tactic by

people. I'm glad that USA is still maintaining its "yea yea yea whatever you say" attitude to UN.

sallylou · 10-28-2009, 01:53 PM

You didn't think that the politicians were actually going to accomplish something, did you?

Reba · 10-28-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

see? there you go. this is just your another fear-mongering last minute scare tactic by

people. I'm glad that USA is still maintaining its "yea yea yea whatever you say" attitude to UN.

Fear mongering? No.

Warning. Yes.

As indicated by your prior post, the general American public wasn't even aware of the COP 15 meeting. Obama could have gone to it and signed the treaty without you even knowing it.

Now, people can be more informed and contact their Senators. That way, the Senate will not confirm the treaty if Obama decides to sign it at some point.

I'm glad that Obama won't be attending the meeting. However, there are many of his supporters who will be disappointed, I'm sure. Maybe he can send Al Gore in his place.

Jiro · 10-28-2009, 02:05 PM

but what you think why this isn't reported in major news? because we all know it'll never happen. Obama knows better not to sign this silly treaty. After all - our President of United States made an oath to this country to uphold its Constitution.

Reba · 10-28-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

but what you think why this isn't reported in major news? because we all know it'll never happen.

Since when does the press decided whether or not to report something based on "it'll never happen?" They are supposed to report newsworthy current events, not decide what will or will not happen in the future.

The COP 15 is a scheduled international event to which our country has been invited to participate. Are you saying that the press some how knows ahead of time that the meeting won't take place so it's not worth reporting?

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Obama knows better not to sign this silly treaty. After all - our President of United States made an oath to this country to uphold its Constitution.

So former President Bush was also right not to sign the Kyoto treaty for the same reason? Good.

Jiro · 10-28-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Since when does the press decided whether or not to report something based on "it'll never happen?" They are supposed to report newsworthy current events, not decide what will or will not happen in the future.

The COP 15 is a scheduled international event to which our country has been invited to participate. Are you saying that the press some how knows ahead of time that the meeting won't take place so it's not worth reporting?

the fact that this wasn't reported in major news source is the proof that this is nothing but a silly farce.... but that's my assumption. You'll have to ask them why this isn't reported in major news source. IMO - this kind of news doesn't go to front page. just blog site or youtube.

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Originally Posted by Reba

So former President Bush was also right not to sign the Kyoto treaty for the same reason? Good.

I believe I stated my position on this issue long while back that it is pointless to sign up for this noble-yet-useless Kyoto Treaty since our billion dollars green-saving effort will be gone to waste by the pollution especially from china and india. In northern hemisphere - the wind blows eastward (clockwise) meaning.... the pollution from Asia will come to us.

Maria · 10-28-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

nothing for me to think about cuz it'll never happen

I will remember your words.

Jiro · 10-28-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

I will remember your words.

ok

but then if it happened - it doesn't matter anymore

Reba · 10-28-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

the fact that this wasn't reported in major news source is the proof that this is nothing but a silly farce.... but that's my assumption. You'll have to ask them why this isn't reported in major news source. IMO - this kind of news doesn't go to front page. just blog site or youtube.

What do you consider a "major news source?"

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,574	Hope we can get some good feedback on this frightening issue.

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Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,799	Thanks to Tousi for finding the captioned video. The treaty is frightening. It's another step for the United States to come closer to surrendering sovereignty to foreign entities. I just hope that Congress has the good sense to turn down the treaty, as per our Constitution.

10-28-2009, 11:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,799	The President "... shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...." Article II, Section 2, US Constitution

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Maria Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 10,140	Possibility.. it can happen. I am certain that you know why. Hopefully, Obama will NOT sign it, but if it related to his "new change" then, we will have a major problem. It will create chaos and destruction.

10-28-2009, 01:46 PM	#16 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,799	It has been. "We are confident that a legitimate bipartisan effort can put America back in the lead again and can empower our negotiators to sit down at the table in Copenhagen in December and insist that the rest of the world join us in producing a new international agreement on global warming." Congress can still achieve climate change consensus The Post and Courier - Charleston SC newspaper Obama seeks to shift climate talks - Climate Change- msnbc.com United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change Good news: "What’s that mean for the prospects in Copenhagen? Top U.S. climate negotiator Jonathan Pershing, in Bloomberg: “It will be extraordinarily difficult for the U.S. to commit to a specific number in the absence of action from Congress.”" Green Ink: Goodbye, Copenhagen - Environmental Capital - WSJ For teachers: EMU Teachers' COP15 Turns out, Obama may not even attend after all: President Obama won’t talk climate change in Copenhagen - Times Online

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Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,799	It looks like the treaty will be delayed. UN climate chief: No final, global warming treaty in 2009 - COP15 United Nations Climate Change Conference Copenhagen 2009

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Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Sopranos State Posts: 22,964	but what you think why this isn't reported in major news? because we all know it'll never happen. Obama knows better not to sign this silly treaty. After all - our President of United States made an oath to this country to uphold its Constitution. __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

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