abortion addict - Page 5

kokonut · 10-27-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CJB

How many is too many is a matter of debate and depends heavily on circumstances. In her case, personally I would put the limit at 2, but that's just my personal opinion.

As for the reason why, anyone will tell you that someone who gets a high or can't function without something is addicted to it. That's why the article is titled "Abortion addict." She was addicted to the prospect of motherhood and since she didn't actually want to land herself IN motherhood, she aborted her baby. She explains very openly and honestly the feelings behind her actions. I suggest rereading the article.

I already read it. Since abortion is tied to this story, it looks more like an issue on having too many abortions as the actual concern than not. But that's just me.

***VamPyroX*** · 10-27-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I'm...... speechless....... I'm not sure but was RIT supposed to try to take care of her with counseling service?

Well, I didn't know about what she had done until right before she got kicked out of school.

***VamPyroX*** · 10-27-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Its very typical for someone who exhibits the kind of behavior you described to alway claim it is the "other person's fault". Until they are ready to accept their own contributions to the situation, no one can help them much.

I hope that she has gotten some help since you saw her last. If not, she is no doubt still living a life of misery.

Yeah, that's pretty much the reason why RIT couldn't really do anything. RIT didn't know about it. Even if they did, they probably couldn't do anything if she didn't admit to having the problem. What they probably could do was refer her to someone for help, then it would be up to her whether she seeks that help or not.

shel90 · 10-27-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

lol.....
First: There are no limits on abortions.
Second: Are any of you e-doctors qualified to say she has a mental health issue?
Third: I dont give a fuck about other people. Feel free to have 100+ abortions, and live your life the way you want to.

Right..

shel90 · 10-27-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I'm not the one calling the shots identifying her as having a mental issue.

Addiction?? What's that? Someone is addicted to something for kicks?

kokonut · 10-27-2009, 09:50 AM

So, it's the "addiction" that's the underlying problem? In otherwords, she should have had only 1 or 2 abortions, and it wouldn't have been a mental issue then? Everything in moderation?

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 10:26 AM

there's really no point in continuing this. everything's being repeated in slightly different words.

jillio · 10-27-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

That's what the story is about, She has admitted to being "an abortion addict"

If she does have mental illness then she should have had counseling years ago, mental illness like this should have been caught after a few abortions, not after 15 abortions.

I think you are blinded by the word "abortion" and you personal stance regarding such. The article is not about abortions, and the author made that clear in the article.

jillio · 10-27-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I already read it. Since abortion is tied to this story, it looks more like an issue on having too many abortions as the actual concern than not. But that's just me.

Ever hear the expression: "There is none so blind as he who will not see?"

jillio · 10-27-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I already read it. Since abortion is tied to this story, it looks more like an issue on having too many abortions as the actual concern than not. But that's just me.

Read again. And this time apply comprehension and objectivity. Read all the words, not just the ones you think are important.

rockin'robin · 10-27-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I think you are blinded by the word "abortion" and you personal stance regarding such. The article is not about abortions, and the author made that clear in the article.

How could anyone not be "blinded" by the word abortion....since there were "15 of them."? Excessive.....Even tho' she "might" have mental illness, still she aborted 15 times....then after she "got well" had 2 live births....Since there is no law regarding how many abortions a woman can have, I still feel that if she was/is truly "mentally ill", wouldn't anybody be "concerned" about her 2 living children?

Abortion is a personal choice. I do feel sorry for this woman in some ways. But then again, I feel repulsion!

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 12:48 PM

drinking beer is legal. drinking excessively on daily basis is legal as well (assuming he/she does it at home) but don't you think that means this person needs to seek counseling help?

Cheri · 10-27-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

How could anyone not be "blinded" by the word abortion....since there were "15 of them."?

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

I still feel that if she was/is truly "mentally ill", wouldn't anybody be "concerned" about her 2 living children?

I thought the same thing, because remember the story of Andrea Yates drowned her 5 children, she had suffered postpartum depression and psychosis for years. I would be very concerned of the two living children that this woman have right now, and they're small children.

jillio · 10-27-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

How could anyone not be "blinded" by the word abortion....since there were "15 of them."? Excessive.....Even tho' she "might" have mental illness, still she aborted 15 times....then after she "got well" had 2 live births....Since there is no law regarding how many abortions a woman can have, I still feel that if she was/is truly "mentally ill", wouldn't anybody be "concerned" about her 2 living children?

Abortion is a personal choice. I do feel sorry for this woman in some ways. But then again, I feel repulsion!

It is called bias. When one is that ensconced in their own bias, they fail to look at the fact objectively and realistically. The also tend to become extremely judgemental of extraneous factors.

Mentally ill peple do recover to the degree that they function well in society. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that is simply evidence of your own bias and judgemental attitude.

Just don't be surprised when that judgemental attitude bites you in the butt. When you judge others this harshly, you are subject to being judged harshly yourself. And I have no doubt that when it happens, you will be the first one to scream, "Foul!"

jillio · 10-27-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I thought the same thing, because remember the story of Andrea Yates drowned her 5 children, she had suffered postpartum depression and psychosis for years. I would be very concerned of the two living children that this woman have right now, and they're small children.

That is a very different case, and a very different diagnosis. You cannot compare the two.

Cheri · 10-27-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

That is a very different case, and a very different diagnosis. You cannot compare the two.

Anyone who suffered mental illness without proper treatments should be supervise around small children. You should know that if you're a psychiatrist?

jillio · 10-27-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Anyone who suffered mental illness without proper treatments should be supervise around small children.

The woman in the article has received treatment. And you still cannot compare her disorder to Andrea Yates' disorder. Two completely different cases, two completely different disorders, two completely differerent prognoses, two completely different manifestations.

melissa · 10-27-2009, 03:29 PM

Cheri, are you counting people with depression in that statement? If so, I very much disagree.

sallylou · 10-27-2009, 03:32 PM

I don't like how this thread is turning into bash the mentally ill. Besides lacking compassion, it's ignorance.

melissa · 10-27-2009, 03:38 PM

Me neither. IMHO, the 'Abortion Addict' has/had a mental illness/mental issues, which manifested themselves with her through multiple, deliberate abortions. Other people's issues may manifest themselves through alcoholism, eating disorders, compulsive gambling- it could be anything, and it's never about the alcohol, or the food, or the money- it's not to be taken at face value.

jillio · 10-27-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by melissa

Me neither. IMHO, the 'Abortion Addict' has/had a mental illness/mental issues, which manifested themselves with her through multiple, deliberate abortions. Other people's issues may manifest themselves through alcoholism, eating disorders, compulsive gambling- it could be anything, and it's never about the alcohol, or the food, or the money- it's not to be taken at face value.

Very well said, melissa! I applaud you. You have developed quite a bit of insight.

kokonut · 10-27-2009, 03:43 PM

So, it's about moderation, then?

jillio · 10-27-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

So, it's about moderation, then?

Keep trying, kokonut. You are getting closer to comprehension. Read again and then make another stab at it.

Frisky Feline · 10-27-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

So, it's about moderation, then?

ah, enjoy pushing the button. eh?

Frisky Feline · 10-27-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

This reminds me of someone I knew at RIT. She had a serious drinking and drug problem. She would go out almost every night and get drunk and stoned. She would often have sex with guys that she met at parties and wake up not remembering who she slept with. She would also end up being pregnant. Since she didn't want to pay to have an abortion, she would keep drinking and doing drugs trying to cause a miscarriage. Of course, she succeeded. It never ended for her, she kept doing it over and over. She had gotten pregnant like 5 to 7 times in 2 years... which she had a forced miscarriage for all of them.

Lina?

daystarnite · 10-27-2009, 04:14 PM

Me think Abortion Addict means someone who loves being pregnant but don't want to have children.

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daystarnite

Me think Abortion Addict means someone who loves being pregnant but don't want to have children.

perhaps! as an insidious way to anchor a man to herself.... in other word - "attention whore"

jillio · 10-27-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

perhaps! as an insidious way to anchor a man to herself.... in other word - "attention whore"

That would be more someone who fakes a pregnancy. The woman in this article has some deep seated issues. More closely related to a PTSD sufferer.

kokonut · 10-27-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

ah, enjoy pushing the button. eh?

I wasn't the one who coined the words "abortion" and "addict" in the same sentence.

sallylou · 10-27-2009, 04:22 PM

She may have felt that she would be betraying her mother by having children. A survivor's guilt kind of thing. Maybe she didn't believe that she deserved to have children. Whatever it was, I hope that she's doing better.

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Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Sopranos State Posts: 22,964	drinking beer is legal. drinking excessively on daily basis is legal as well (assuming he/she does it at home) but don't you think that means this person needs to seek counseling help? __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

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10-27-2009, 09:50 AM	#126 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,708	So, it's the "addiction" that's the underlying problem? In otherwords, she should have had only 1 or 2 abortions, and it wouldn't have been a mental issue then? Everything in moderation?

10-27-2009, 03:29 PM	#138 (permalink)
melissa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Cheshire, UK. Posts: 188	Cheri, are you counting people with depression in that statement? If so, I very much disagree.

10-27-2009, 03:38 PM	#140 (permalink)
melissa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Cheshire, UK. Posts: 188	Me neither. IMHO, the 'Abortion Addict' has/had a mental illness/mental issues, which manifested themselves with her through multiple, deliberate abortions. Other people's issues may manifest themselves through alcoholism, eating disorders, compulsive gambling- it could be anything, and it's never about the alcohol, or the food, or the money- it's not to be taken at face value.

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,708	So, it's about moderation, then?

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