abortion addict - Page 3

CJB · 10-26-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Interesting now to see these "consciousness" being raised saying 15 abortions is too many. Why does it matter? How many is too many? What's an extra 10 to 12 more abortions out of the millions done? It's her body. Her decision. And now all of sudden I'm seeing empathy because one had too many abortions? How ironic.

Isn't there something to be said of intention? Hanging oneself and drowning both yield the same result--death. Is there not a difference between committing suicide and being killed in a freak accident?

rockin'robin · 10-26-2009, 02:42 PM

As per the story says....

"Today, at 40, the Latina author has two young children, but her troubled past continues to haunt her well into motherhood."

Wondering why she had these 2 children, but aborted the other 15? Why these 2 pregnancies were different from the other 15?

Seems she had 15 abortions before deciding not to abort the last 2 pregnancies?

It's obvious the woman is sick and hopefully has or will have a her tubes tied or whatever to keep her from getting pregnant again.

And if all these 15 abortions were performed at the same clinic? Same doctor? Seems the doctor would be gravely concerned about her health, and have her seek mental health counseling.

Reba · 10-26-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

...And if all these 15 abortions were performed at the same clinic? Same doctor? Seems the doctor would be gravely concerned about her health, and have her seek mental health counseling.

For some abortionists, it's just a business. The more business, the better.

Jiro · 10-26-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

For some abortionists, it's just a business. The more business, the better.

ew

jillio · 10-26-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

As per the story says....

"Today, at 40, the Latina author has two young children, but her troubled past continues to haunt her well into motherhood."

Wondering why she had these 2 children, but aborted the other 15? Why these 2 pregnancies were different from the other 15?

Seems she had 15 abortions before deciding not to abort the last 2 pregnancies?

It's obvious the woman is sick and hopefully has or will have a her tubes tied or whatever to keep her from getting pregnant again.

And if all these 15 abortions were performed at the same clinic? Same doctor? Seems the doctor would be gravely concerned about her health, and have her seek mental health counseling.

The answer is quite simple. She has had her mental health problems addressed. She no longer engages in the behavior that was a direct result of her mental disturbance. It isn't the pregnancies that were different. It is her mental status that is different. The problem is not in her womb.

rockin'robin · 10-26-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

For some abortionists, it's just a business. The more business, the better.

Ur probably right, Reba. And I do know from talking with some women that have had abortions, a lot of them regret it, some don't. I can foresee an abortion regarding rape, incest, health issues, or even a child that becomes pregnant. It will always "haunt" them, no matter what.

sallylou · 10-26-2009, 02:53 PM

This explains why this person has mental health issues:

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I had grown up in Puerto Rico with a depressed woman who had been sterilized by an American led experiment (by 1977 Puerto Rico had the highest rate of sterilized women in the world with a horrifying number of 37% to 40%). My mother was the wife of a man who did not value her and the daughter of a nationalist mother who chose public myth making over mothering her (Lolita Lebron spent twenty five years in a US prison for her attack on Congress in 1954). She was a woman who tried to kill herself multiple times throughout her life until she succeeded at it by throwing herself from a moving car.

Anyone who went through this would have mental health issues. She was reared by a crazy mother whom the government forcefully sterilized. The mother returned home suicidal, without hormone replacement and addicted to valium. The story is tragic on so many levels.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

This explains why this person has mental health issues:

Anyone who went through this would have mental health issues. She was reared by a crazy mother whom the government forcefully sterilized. The mother returned home suicidal, without hormone replacement and addicted to valium. The story is tragic on so many levels.

It is amazing that she has managed to gain any degree of mental health at the current time.

With those facts a part of her history, it is no wonder that she associated pregnancy and abortion with control and power.

And yet, there are those that have proposed that she forcibly have her tubes ties to prevent her having any more abortions.

KarissaMann05 · 10-26-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

As per the story says....

"Today, at 40, the Latina author has two young children, but her troubled past continues to haunt her well into motherhood."

Wondering why she had these 2 children, but aborted the other 15? Why these 2 pregnancies were different from the other 15?

Seems she had 15 abortions before deciding not to abort the last 2 pregnancies?

It's obvious the woman is sick and hopefully has or will have a her tubes tied or whatever to keep her from getting pregnant again.

And if all these 15 abortions were performed at the same clinic? Same doctor? Seems the doctor would be gravely concerned about her health, and have her seek mental health counseling.

I'm so glad that I'm not only one who think about questions. Also, I am wondering about how her kids feel about her 15 abortions if they learn about her history... They are abortion survivors cos they are very lucky to be not killed for her own addict. IMO.

sallylou · 10-26-2009, 03:16 PM

It's a sad fact of life that we inherit our parents' psychological issues. The woman and her children will deal with issues related to the forced sterilization. If they can heal, the next generation may be spared.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

It's a sad fact of life that we inherit our parents' psychological issues. The woman and her children will deal with issues related to the forced sterilization. If they can heal, the next generation may be spared.

Yes, and IMO, this woman needs to be admired for doing what she can to heal and to break the cycle with her children. She has had a torturous past, and it takes great courange to make the strides toward healing that she has made.

shel90 · 10-26-2009, 08:41 PM

It is a shame that many people are willing to condemn this woman rather than helping her address her mental health issues. People with mental illnesses sure dont get much sympathy as someone who has a disease.

kokonut · 10-26-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Just for the record, I don't cast judgment on the appropriateness of the medical procedures in this case. It's not my place to judge. Common sense tells me that 15 surgical procedures of any kind are excessive. There are significant risks associated with surgical procedures. Just like meth is not a good idea because it damages the body, all of these surgical procedures could cause bodily harm.

So, it's the increasing number of surgical procedures that is the issue and not the number of abortions? But it's her body, her decision. What's the real issue here? Too many abortions of human beings or too many surgical procedures that would increase the risk of endangering oneself? How so?

kokonut · 10-26-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CJB

Isn't there something to be said of intention? Hanging oneself and drowning both yield the same result--death. Is there not a difference between committing suicide and being killed in a freak accident?

Anybody who want to have an abortion is all about intention. They intend to get rid of that living thing in their womb no matter what. What you've just described is comparing apples to oranges. Abortion is about intention.

shel90 · 10-26-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

So, it's the increasing number of surgical procedures that is the issue and not the number of abortions? But it's her body, her decision. What's the real issue here? Too many abortions of human beings or too many surgical procedures that would increase the risk of endangering oneself? How so?

I guess u are missing the point. The real issue is her mental state and she needed help addressing it.

shel90 · 10-26-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Anybody who want to have an abortion is all about intention. They intend to get rid of that living thing in their womb no matter what. What you've just described is comparing apples to oranges. Abortion is about intention.

Then why dont you just stone her if that will make you feel better?

kokonut · 10-26-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

It is a shame that many people are willing to condemn this woman rather than helping her address her mental health issues. People with mental illnesses sure dont get much sympathy as someone who has a disease.

Too many abortions is now a mental health issue even though she made is clear on intent to do so?

shel90 · 10-26-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Too many abortions is now a mental health issue even though she made is clear on intent to do so?

Didnt you read all the posts? Like I said, stone her if that will make u feel better.

Jiro · 10-26-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Too many abortions is now a mental health issue even though she made is clear on intent to do so?

so what about people who eat too much? or drink a lot? or having many babies? or hoarding lot of trashes or cats? are those not the warning sign for one needing a counseling service?

anything too much is not good.

CJB · 10-26-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Anybody who want to have an abortion is all about intention. They intend to get rid of that living thing in their womb no matter what. What you've just described is comparing apples to oranges. Abortion is about intention.

Of course every abortion has an intention behind it. The idea is that the intention differs. The intention of a 12-year-old girl who has been raped by her own father is quite different from the intention of this woman.

CJB · 10-26-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Too many abortions is now a mental health issue even though she made is clear on intent to do so?

Yeah, basically. Just like masturbating too many times a day is considered a behavior that requires medical attention. Someone who bathes too many times a day is considered in need of psychological help as well. There's nothing wrong with masturbation or bathing in and of themselves, but there is something wrong when someone feels the need to bathe 17 times a day or to masturbate 5 times every hour.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

So, it's the increasing number of surgical procedures that is the issue and not the number of abortions? But it's her body, her decision. What's the real issue here? Too many abortions of human beings or too many surgical procedures that would increase the risk of endangering oneself? How so?

The real issue is the tragic and abusive history she has suffered, the abuse that was perpetrated against her mother, and her mental health status. Abortion isn't the issue at all. Shame you can't seem to see that, despite the numerous times it has been reinterated.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Too many abortions is now a mental health issue even though she made is clear on intent to do so?

Are you being purposely obtuse, or do you truly not understand cause and effect?

jillio · 10-26-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CJB

Yeah, basically. Just like masturbating too many times a day is considered a behavior that requires medical attention. Someone who bathes too many times a day is considered in need of psychological help as well. There's nothing wrong with masturbation or bathing in and of themselves, but there is something wrong when someone feels the need to bathe 17 times a day or to masturbate 5 times every hour.

Nice way to break it down.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Didnt you read all the posts? Like I said, stone her if that will make u feel better.

Yeah, the judgement is rampant.

As is the narrow focus.

rockin'robin · 10-26-2009, 09:21 PM

I find it hard to believe that after all the years of mental illness, 15 abortions....then she gets "some help", then has 2 more children. Say what? And now she's fine, and fit to raise 2 more children? She feels "guilt" for her past? And writes a book. Seems she's made an "amazing recovery" in so short of time! For a lot of people, mental illness is a lifetime battle, it just doesn't disappear in several years. Would I "worry" about her 2 surviving children? Yes, I would.

No, I (for one) am not about to "stone" her....her deed is done and over. She has to live with it, suffer the consequences, and the burden on her conscience must be overwhelming, or she would not be broadcasting it.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 09:27 PM

Why would you find it so hard to accept? People recover from past trauma and mental health issues all the time. I suggest that you are simply blinded by the word "abortion", and therefore are judging this woman too harshly as a result. Would you be so judgemental about someone with 15 suicide attempts in their history?

People can recover. People can change. And the fact that she is sharing her story may be the very thing that will prevent another person from walking the same path that she had to walk before getting proper help for her problems.

Why would she make her story public? To help others. It certainly isn't to soothe her conscious. Just look at the way people have judged her here. Multiply that a thousand times, and that is the judgement she receives from wider society. She took a great personal risk in making her story public. If it helps one person, she has done more than those who sit back and pass judgement on her for having a mental disorder.

shel90 · 10-26-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

I find it hard to believe that after all the years of mental illness, 15 abortions....then she gets "some help", then has 2 more children. Say what? And now she's fine, and fit to raise 2 more children? She feels "guilt" for her past? And writes a book. Seems she's made an "amazing recovery" in so short of time! For a lot of people, mental illness is a lifetime battle, it just doesn't disappear in several years. Would I "worry" about her 2 surviving children? Yes, I would.

No, I (for one) am not about to "stone" her....her deed is done and over. She has to live with it, suffer the consequences, and the burden on her conscience must be overwhelming, or she would not be broadcasting it.

The article said that her troubled past continues to haunt her. She probably isnt "recovered" but has reached the point where she recognizes that she has an illness and is willing to receive help to address it.

shel90 · 10-26-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Why would you find it so hard to accept? People recover from past trauma and mental health issues all the time. I suggest that you are simply blinded by the word "abortion", and therefore are judging this woman too harshly as a result. Would you be so judgemental about someone with 15 suicide attempts in their history?

People can recover. People can change. And the fact that she is sharing her story may be the very thing that will prevent another person from walking the same path that she had to walk before getting proper help for her problems.

Why would she make her story public? To help others. It certainly isn't to soothe her conscious. Just look at the way people have judged her here. Multiply that a thousand times, and that is the judgement she receives from wider society. She took a great personal risk in making her story public. If it helps one person, she has done more than those who sit back and pass judgement on her for having a mental disorder.

Yea, it seems the word "abortion" became the sole focus here.

kokonut · 10-26-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Didnt you read all the posts? Like I said, stone her if that will make u feel better.

Why would I want to stone her? Like I said, abortion is legal. Her body, her decision as they. What's another several extra dead pre-born human beings on her conscious regardless of her reason(s) for having those abortions?

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sallylou Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 2,079	It's a sad fact of life that we inherit our parents' psychological issues. The woman and her children will deal with issues related to the forced sterilization. If they can heal, the next generation may be spared. __________________ Happy holidays!

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10-26-2009, 02:42 PM	#62 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 2,775	As per the story says.... "Today, at 40, the Latina author has two young children, but her troubled past continues to haunt her well into motherhood." Wondering why she had these 2 children, but aborted the other 15? Why these 2 pregnancies were different from the other 15? Seems she had 15 abortions before deciding not to abort the last 2 pregnancies? It's obvious the woman is sick and hopefully has or will have a her tubes tied or whatever to keep her from getting pregnant again. And if all these 15 abortions were performed at the same clinic? Same doctor? Seems the doctor would be gravely concerned about her health, and have her seek mental health counseling.

10-26-2009, 09:21 PM	#86 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 2,775	I find it hard to believe that after all the years of mental illness, 15 abortions....then she gets "some help", then has 2 more children. Say what? And now she's fine, and fit to raise 2 more children? She feels "guilt" for her past? And writes a book. Seems she's made an "amazing recovery" in so short of time! For a lot of people, mental illness is a lifetime battle, it just doesn't disappear in several years. Would I "worry" about her 2 surviving children? Yes, I would. No, I (for one) am not about to "stone" her....her deed is done and over. She has to live with it, suffer the consequences, and the burden on her conscience must be overwhelming, or she would not be broadcasting it.

10-26-2009, 09:27 PM	#87 (permalink)
jillio Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 32,396	Why would you find it so hard to accept? People recover from past trauma and mental health issues all the time. I suggest that you are simply blinded by the word "abortion", and therefore are judging this woman too harshly as a result. Would you be so judgemental about someone with 15 suicide attempts in their history? People can recover. People can change. And the fact that she is sharing her story may be the very thing that will prevent another person from walking the same path that she had to walk before getting proper help for her problems. Why would she make her story public? To help others. It certainly isn't to soothe her conscious. Just look at the way people have judged her here. Multiply that a thousand times, and that is the judgement she receives from wider society. She took a great personal risk in making her story public. If it helps one person, she has done more than those who sit back and pass judgement on her for having a mental disorder.