abortion addict - Page 2

kokonut · 10-25-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Abortion itself is not the underlying issue in this case.

So, having multiple abortions aren't a problem then?

shel90 · 10-25-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

So, having multiple abortions aren't a problem then?

Her mental state is the underlying problem so it wouldnt matter if abortion was made illegal because of what she did..she would still have her problems.

Drugs are illegal but does that stop addicts from abusing them?

Berry · 10-25-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Abortion itself is not the underlying issue in this case.

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Originally Posted by shel90

Her mental state is the underlying problem so it wouldnt matter if abortion was made illegal because of what she did..she would still have her problems.

I agree.

In this particular case abortion is not the issue.

In this particular case legal is not the issue.

In this particular case her mental state caused her to become a serial abortionist. But being a serial abortionist did not help her mental state.

Are we then to believe that someone with serious mental/emotional conditions does not need our help, understanding, or concern, simply because what they are doing is legal?

shel90 · 10-25-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Berry

I agree.

In this particular case abortion is not the issue.

In this particular case legal is not the issue.

In this particular case her mental state caused her to become a serial abortionist. But being a serial abortionist did not help her mental state.

Are we then to believe that someone with serious mental/emotional conditions does not need our help, understanding, or concern, simply because what they are doing is legal?

I just can see some pro-lifers capitalizing this sad situation to further their agenda. I do not agree with women getting multiple abortions but I would rather focus on the underlying issue to why they are engaging in these self-destruction behaviors. That'sthe only way they can get the help they need.

kokonut · 10-25-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Her mental state is the underlying problem so it wouldnt matter if abortion was made illegal because of what she did..she would still have her problems.

Drugs are illegal but does that stop addicts from abusing them?

So, she abuse herself by having multiple abortions? Having an abortion or abortions in this case whatever the reason, the outcome is still the same.

Berry · 10-25-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I just can see some pro-lifers capitalizing this sad situation to further their agenda. I do not agree with women getting multiple abortions but I would rather focus on the underlying issue to why they are engaging in these self-destruction behaviors. That'sthe only way they can get the help they need.

Again I agree.

jillio · 10-25-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I just can see some pro-lifers capitalizing this sad situation to further their agenda. I do not agree with women getting multiple abortions but I would rather focus on the underlying issue to why they are engaging in these self-destruction behaviors. That'sthe only way they can get the help they need.

Yep, and according to the woman herself, she did not want her story twisted by the pro-lifers to suit their agenda.

Truly a shame that some are so superficial that they can't see the real meaning behind this woman's story. They see the word abortion, and all thought processes come to a halt. They can't see further than that one word.

jillio · 10-25-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

So, she abuse herself by having multiple abortions? Having an abortion or abortions in this case whatever the reason, the outcome is still the same.

The reasons behind anyone's determination to have an abortion are for them and their physician to decide.

What a shame that you are so lacking in empathy and understanding for this woman's mental health issues.

saywhatkid · 10-25-2009, 09:36 PM

Some people think that ONE is too many. Some people think TWO is too many. The whole debate could just as easily center on repeated plastic surgeries, which is legal; yet the results of too many of these procedures become disfigurement, and are a symptom of underlying mental health and self esteem problems. In this particular case, her womb and other related organs are certainly being damaged by all these abortions.

Again, I refuse to debate abortion. Let the women have this issue for themselves, since they are the ones having it done. Would be similar to women debating penis enlargement surgeries.

jillio · 10-25-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Some people think that ONE is too many. Some people think TWO is too many. The whole debate could just as easily center on repeated plastic surgeries, which is legal; yet the results of too many of these procedures become disfigurement, and are a symptom of underlying mental health and self esteem problems. In this particular case, her womb and other related organs are certainly being damaged by all these abortions.

Again, I refuse to debate abortion. Let the women have this issue for themselves, since they are the ones having it done. Would be similar to women debating penis enlargement surgeries.

Agreed. I will have to admit that those who are "addicted" to plastic surgery procedures came to mind with this article, as well.

shel90 · 10-25-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

So, she abuse herself by having multiple abortions? Having an abortion or abortions in this case whatever the reason, the outcome is still the same.

Your choice to focus on empathy for this woman or your own personal beliefs.

rockin'robin · 10-25-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I wondered if that's the same deaf person we both know? I also know a deaf woman who had several abortions, and she says she'll do it again if she gets pregnant again.

I have no idea if it's the same woman we know....?...She was from Florida. But what I do know (thru the grapevine), was that later on, she wasn't healthy, and regretted her past decisions to abort.

Cheri · 10-25-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

I have no idea if it's the same woman we know....?...She was from Florida. But what I do know (thru the grapevine), was that later on, she wasn't healthy, and regretted her past decisions to abort.

If she's from Florida, then no it's not the same woman I know. Thank you for your reply.

Jiro · 10-26-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Why would it be a problem? Abortion is legal. Is there a limit on how many one can have an abortion??

why don't you focus on beginning? what causes her to be recklessly promiscuous?

sex is legal. is there a limit on how many one can have sex?

saywhatkid · 10-26-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why don't you focus on beginning? what causes her to be recklessly promiscuous?

sex is legal. is there a limit on how many one can have sex?

The "other" poster has expressed elsewhere that ONE abortion is too many. I see the divide and conquer tactics being employed here. A simple man I am, with an uneducated mind.

kokonut · 10-26-2009, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Your choice to focus on empathy for this woman or your own personal beliefs.

Rather I find it highly ironic for people to gasp at the horror of a woman who choose to have abortions after purposely getting pregnant versus those who get pregnant unintentionally for a few times exercise their right to have an abortion yet the results are still the same. The woman in question is exercising her right to have these abortions regardless of why. Does she or does she not have a right to have these abortions? After all, as you say, it's her body, her decision regardless of the reason why she do it again and again. Of course, assuming that this story is true but it does raise an interesting response here.

Jiro · 10-26-2009, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Rather I find it highly ironic for people to gasp at the horror of a woman who choose to have abortions after purposely getting pregnant versus those who get pregnant unintentionally for a few times exercise their right to have an abortion yet the results are still the same. The woman in question is exercising her right to have these abortions regardless of why. Does she or does she not have a right to have these abortions? After all, as you say, it's her body, her decision regardless of the reason why she do it again and again. Of course, assuming that this story is true but it does raise an interesting response here.

because abortion is not an issue in here - something that you have trouble grasping a very simple thing in here. There are girls who have serious eating disorder. Everybody's free to eat anything at any amount they want. it's her body and her decision regardless of the reason why of reason why she eats and vomits the food again and again.

So what should we do in here? by your logic - we should regulate her food intake?

souggy · 10-26-2009, 03:27 AM

(he only way we can get pro-life and pro-choice to agree is to go back to the days when we used to be independent colonies or settlement blocks. There is a reason why currently existing colonies are exempted from the government, keep to themselves and keep their noses out of the mainstream.

Steel X · 10-26-2009, 05:31 AM

15 abortions is seriously TOO much. She is not an abortion addict. She is a baby murderer.

Abortions are there for a reason, yes. But 15 abortions from one woman, I mean seriously???

I only believe that abortion can best used for women who were raped and do NOT want a baby from the rapist(I am glad that Sarah Palin quit her job as governor cause she will not allow women who were raped to take abortions), or have health problems that may be a serious risk to the baby or the mother.

Abortion is a very personal decision, but using it more than 15 times obviously tells me something ain't right in the picture.

She dont want a baby, get her fucking tubes tied. Otherwise she may need some serious help learning how NOT to open her damn stinking legs all the time.

Cheri · 10-26-2009, 08:34 AM

I agree SteelX; Preventing future abortions, she should choose tubal litigation (tubes tied).

What I don't understand is why her doctor continue providing her abortions without questioning her mental stability? I can understand while abortion is legal, abortions should not be used as a form of birth control. Shouldn't the law be more specific based on how many abortions can one allow to have?

Foxrac · 10-26-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

because abortion is not an issue in here - something that you have trouble grasping a very simple thing in here. There are girls who have serious eating disorder. Everybody's free to eat anything at any amount they want. it's her body and her decision regardless of the reason why of reason why she eats and vomits the food again and again.

So what should we do in here? by your logic - we should regulate her food intake?

Agreed, it is just her mental issue.

Have 15 abortion is too much and she need professional help, not point at abortion.

kokonut · 10-26-2009, 11:26 AM

Interesting now to see these "consciousness" being raised saying 15 abortions is too many. Why does it matter? How many is too many? What's an extra 10 to 12 more abortions out of the millions done? It's her body. Her decision. And now all of sudden I'm seeing empathy because one had too many abortions? How ironic.

CJB · 10-26-2009, 01:23 PM

Wow, this woman is seriously in need of mental health care.

Saying this is an abortion issue is like saying child molestation is a sex issue. If a child molester molests hundreds of children, does that mean we should outlaw sex? No. Same goes for this woman and abortion. It's not the abortion/the sex, it's this woman/the child molester.

sallylou · 10-26-2009, 01:31 PM

I can have compassion for someone even if I don't approve of what they are doing. For example, I don't think that people should use illegal drugs like meth, but I still have empathy for meth addicts. Meth addicts suffer. There bodies are slowly poisoned. We don't know what inner demons or personal pain caused them to turn to drugs. It's sad and they need mental health care. Mostly, it's a tragic waste of human potential.

The same with this person. I don't know what personal issues she has that cause her to act in a self-destructive way. She obviously needs mental health care. I hope that she gets it and that she can move on with her life.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Rather I find it highly ironic for people to gasp at the horror of a woman who choose to have abortions after purposely getting pregnant versus those who get pregnant unintentionally for a few times exercise their right to have an abortion yet the results are still the same. The woman in question is exercising her right to have these abortions regardless of why. Does she or does she not have a right to have these abortions? After all, as you say, it's her body, her decision regardless of the reason why she do it again and again. Of course, assuming that this story is true but it does raise an interesting response here.

Yes, she has the right to seek any medical procedure in this country that has been deemed legal.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel X

15 abortions is seriously TOO much. She is not an abortion addict. She is a baby murderer.

Abortions are there for a reason, yes. But 15 abortions from one woman, I mean seriously???

I only believe that abortion can best used for women who were raped and do NOT want a baby from the rapist(I am glad that Sarah Palin quit her job as governor cause she will not allow women who were raped to take abortions), or have health problems that may be a serious risk to the baby or the mother.

Abortion is a very personal decision, but using it more than 15 times obviously tells me something ain't right in the picture.

She dont want a baby, get her fucking tubes tied. Otherwise she may need some serious help learning how NOT to open her damn stinking legs all the time.

That would be a sensible choice for someone who does not suffer the mental health issues that this woman suffers. She is not using abortion simply to terminate a pregnancy. For her, pregnancy and abortion are a way to gain power and control. She does not see the situation the way someone who is not mentally ill sees it, and she is not able to make the same logical choices that a healthy person would make.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CJB

Wow, this woman is seriously in need of mental health care.

Saying this is an abortion issue is like saying child molestation is a sex issue. If a child molester molests hundreds of children, does that mean we should outlaw sex? No. Same goes for this woman and abortion. It's not the abortion/the sex, it's this woman/the child molester.

Or the rapist. The issue behind rape is power and control. Sex is just the mechanism used to achieve it. So, we should outlaw sex because rapists use it in a distorted and negative way?

This woman has claimed that she used both pregnancy and abortion as a way to gain power and control. The same as a rapist. Rape is not about sex, and this woman's actions are not about pregnancy and abortion. It is much deeper than that. People need to stop looking at the surface behavior, to what is motivating the behavior.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Interesting now to see these "consciousness" being raised saying 15 abortions is too many. Why does it matter? How many is too many? What's an extra 10 to 12 more abortions out of the millions done? It's her body. Her decision. And now all of sudden I'm seeing empathy because one had too many abortions? How ironic.

Better yet, who determines who is too many? The individual and their doctor make that determination. Just as they make the determination whether or not to have the procedure done at all. It is not your determination to make. You are neither a woman, nor a doctor.

sallylou · 10-26-2009, 02:20 PM

Just for the record, I don't cast judgment on the appropriateness of the medical procedures in this case. It's not my place to judge. Common sense tells me that 15 surgical procedures of any kind are excessive. There are significant risks associated with surgical procedures. Just like meth is not a good idea because it damages the body, all of these surgical procedures could cause bodily harm.

CJB · 10-26-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Or the rapist. The issue behind rape is power and control. Sex is just the mechanism used to achieve it. So, we should outlaw sex because rapists use it in a distorted and negative way?

This woman has claimed that she used both pregnancy and abortion as a way to gain power and control. The same as a rapist. Rape is not about sex, and this woman's actions are not about pregnancy and abortion. It is much deeper than that. People need to stop looking at the surface behavior, to what is motivating the behavior.

Exactly.

10-25-2009, 09:36 PM	#39 (permalink)
saywhatkid Thinking outside the box Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Trapped in a box Posts: 1,913	Some people think that ONE is too many. Some people think TWO is too many. The whole debate could just as easily center on repeated plastic surgeries, which is legal; yet the results of too many of these procedures become disfigurement, and are a symptom of underlying mental health and self esteem problems. In this particular case, her womb and other related organs are certainly being damaged by all these abortions. Again, I refuse to debate abortion. Let the women have this issue for themselves, since they are the ones having it done. Would be similar to women debating penis enlargement surgeries. __________________ "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." — Jimi Hendrix

10-26-2009, 03:27 AM	#48 (permalink)
souggy Ace Attorney Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 2,364	(he only way we can get pro-life and pro-choice to agree is to go back to the days when we used to be independent colonies or settlement blocks. There is a reason why currently existing colonies are exempted from the government, keep to themselves and keep their noses out of the mainstream. __________________ Souggy's Blog Warning! Contains skewed comments & inane ramblings. May cause spontaneous human combustion

10-26-2009, 05:31 AM	#49 (permalink)
Steel X Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 13,075	15 abortions is seriously TOO much. She is not an abortion addict. She is a baby murderer. Abortions are there for a reason, yes. But 15 abortions from one woman, I mean seriously??? I only believe that abortion can best used for women who were raped and do NOT want a baby from the rapist(I am glad that Sarah Palin quit her job as governor cause she will not allow women who were raped to take abortions), or have health problems that may be a serious risk to the baby or the mother. Abortion is a very personal decision, but using it more than 15 times obviously tells me something ain't right in the picture. She dont want a baby, get her fucking tubes tied. Otherwise she may need some serious help learning how NOT to open her damn stinking legs all the time. __________________

10-26-2009, 08:34 AM	#50 (permalink)
Cheri Prayers for my dad. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 22,615	I agree SteelX; Preventing future abortions, she should choose tubal litigation (tubes tied). What I don't understand is why her doctor continue providing her abortions without questioning her mental stability? I can understand while abortion is legal, abortions should not be used as a form of birth control. Shouldn't the law be more specific based on how many abortions can one allow to have? __________________ God didn't promise days without pain, laughter without sorrow and sun without rain, But God did promise strength for the day, comfort for the tears and light for the way.

10-26-2009, 01:31 PM	#54 (permalink)
sallylou Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 2,082	I can have compassion for someone even if I don't approve of what they are doing. For example, I don't think that people should use illegal drugs like meth, but I still have empathy for meth addicts. Meth addicts suffer. There bodies are slowly poisoned. We don't know what inner demons or personal pain caused them to turn to drugs. It's sad and they need mental health care. Mostly, it's a tragic waste of human potential. The same with this person. I don't know what personal issues she has that cause her to act in a self-destructive way. She obviously needs mental health care. I hope that she gets it and that she can move on with her life. __________________ Happy holidays!

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10-26-2009, 11:26 AM	#52 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,671	Interesting now to see these "consciousness" being raised saying 15 abortions is too many. Why does it matter? How many is too many? What's an extra 10 to 12 more abortions out of the millions done? It's her body. Her decision. And now all of sudden I'm seeing empathy because one had too many abortions? How ironic.

10-26-2009, 01:23 PM	#53 (permalink)
CJB deafblind writer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: U.S. Posts: 1,423	Wow, this woman is seriously in need of mental health care. Saying this is an abortion issue is like saying child molestation is a sex issue. If a child molester molests hundreds of children, does that mean we should outlaw sex? No. Same goes for this woman and abortion. It's not the abortion/the sex, it's this woman/the child molester.

10-26-2009, 02:20 PM	#59 (permalink)
sallylou Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 2,082	Just for the record, I don't cast judgment on the appropriateness of the medical procedures in this case. It's not my place to judge. Common sense tells me that 15 surgical procedures of any kind are excessive. There are significant risks associated with surgical procedures. Just like meth is not a good idea because it damages the body, all of these surgical procedures could cause bodily harm. __________________ Happy holidays!

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