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**Foxrac** · 07-11-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

light wing? what is that? seems like you like to label people xxxx-wing. I play left-wing in hockey. I eat hot-wing for lunch. I built X-wing model toy when I was a kid

perhaps she should respect our personal views for starter

Left wing means toward to liberal and right wing means toward to conservative, you should know so better.
Left-wing politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Liebling:-)))** · 07-11-2009, 04:19 PM

Foxrac

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Originally Posted by Jiro

perhaps she should respect our personal views for starter

I really has no idea why you accuse me for disrespect your posts... It could be that you confused disagreement with disrespectful.

**Reba** · 07-11-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

...I eat hot-wing for lunch....

I prefer the teriyaki wings.

**Liebling:-)))** · 07-11-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Left wing means toward to liberal and right wing means toward to conservative, you should know so better.
Left-wing politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I beleive that he knows but he is provoking you. That´s why I removed his first sentence as I quoted his post because I know it´s provoke.

Jiro, did you know AD rules about provoke?

**Reba** · 07-11-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I means if democrat win to regain in congress then it means Americans are satisfied with Obama's job.

You stated that you are conservative, that's part of right wing, you know that.

I know what right wing means. I just didn't understand the tone of your remark.

kokonut · 07-11-2009, 04:34 PM

The word "conservative" does not mean to be "right wing." Rather it's a separate ideological belief and value. You can have a conservative democrat, a conservative republican, even a conservative libertarian. They all have something in common but are either right or left of center. Or center itself.

kokonut · 07-11-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I prefer the teriyaki wings.

Hmm, who is in the west wing now?

**Jiro** · 07-11-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Left wing means toward to liberal and right wing means toward to conservative, you should know so better.
Left-wing politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you said light wing. I suppose you meant left-wing, right? Left-wing is not always liberal. Right-wing is not always conservative either. In fact, left-wing is not a Democrat either. Obama is not a leftist/left-wing either.

Perhaps you should actually read up on it beside wikipedia... like political science textbooks. It's readily available at any library.

**Foxrac** · 07-11-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

The word "conservative" does not mean to be "right wing." Rather it's a separate ideological belief and value. You can have a conservative democrat, a conservative republican, even a conservative libertarian. They all have something in common but are either right or left of center. Or center itself.

Being conservative are more toward to right wing.

**Foxrac** · 07-11-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

you said light wing. I suppose you meant left-wing, right? Left-wing is not always liberal. Right-wing is not always conservative either. In fact, left-wing is not a Democrat either. Obama is not a leftist/left-wing either.

Perhaps you should actually read up on it beside wikipedia... like political science textbooks. It's readily available at any library.

I means left wing, already fixed it.

No thanks, I already know about define with right wing and left wing.

For Obama, he's more on left wing, however if you said he's not then it's your opinion.

**Foxrac** · 07-11-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I know what right wing means. I just didn't understand the tone of your remark.

Fine, I will say in other way, both of liberal and conservative are always in heat debate and no one would agree with it, you got more agreement with me about gun rights, I think so.

**Reba** · 07-11-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by foxrac

fine, i will say in other way, both of liberal and conservative are always in heat debate and no one would agree with it, you got more agreement with me about gun rights, i think so.

Okey dokey.

(I kept trying to type a simple "OK" by itself, but it kept posting as lowercase.

)

**Jiro** · 07-11-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Being conservative are more toward to right wing.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a liberal Republican. (that's subjected to argument)

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I means left wing, already fixed it.

No thanks, I already know about define with right wing and left wing.

For Obama, he's more on left wing, however if you said he's not then it's your opinion.

perhaps you should pick up a political science textbook and find out what's actually a left wing and right wing. Like I said - it is not relating to conservative, liberal, Republican, or Democratic. It is a separate political ideology like Democratic Party, Republican Party, Libertarian Party, Green Party, and so on.... (as kokonut explains it well in his post #66).

If you think Obama is on Left Wing... then he would not be in Democratic Party.

**Reba** · 07-11-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a liberal Republican. (that's subjected to argument)

perhaps you should pick up a political science textbook and find out what's actually a left wing and right wing. Like I said - it is not relating to conservative, liberal, Republican, or Democratic. It is a separate political ideology like Democratic Party, Republican Party, Libertarian Party, Green Party, and so on.... (as kokonut explains it well in his post #66).

If you think Obama is on Left Wing... then he would not be in Democratic Party.

Sometimes politicians are members of parties for expediency, not ideology. It would be impossible to successfully run for President as a member of the Progressive Party (for example), so some people with progressive ideology hook up with the Democrat Party to appear more mainstream or go with the majority party of their state.

Sometimes politicians are liberal in some areas (such as social issues) but conservative in other areas (national defense), or vice versa.

**Jiro** · 07-11-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Sometimes politicians are members of parties for expediency, not ideology. It would be impossible to successfully run for President as a member of the Progressive Party (for example), so some people with progressive ideology hook up with the Democrat Party to appear more mainstream or go with the majority party of their state.

yep. quite true. It is not uncommon of politician to change their political affiliation upon after appointment. For ie - NYC Mayor Bloomberg recently switched to Independent from Republican.

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Originally Posted by Reba

Sometimes politicians are liberal in some areas (such as social issues) but conservative in other areas (national defense), or vice versa.

yep. that's why my statement about Arnold Schwarner is subjected to argument as his view/stance on issues varies but IMO - he is a liberal Republican. As for Obama - a very liberal Democrat.

These days - more and more political ideologies are beginning to mix or overlap with each other.

**Foxrac** · 07-11-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a liberal Republican. (that's subjected to argument)

perhaps you should pick up a political science textbook and find out what's actually a left wing and right wing. Like I said - it is not relating to conservative, liberal, Republican, or Democratic. It is a separate political ideology like Democratic Party, Republican Party, Libertarian Party, Green Party, and so on.... (as kokonut explains it well in his post #66).

If you think Obama is on Left Wing... then he would not be in Democratic Party.

I don't appreciate your provocation against me and time for knock it off, I will say repeat, no thanks and I already know about what parties or wing means, if you don't like my define so toobad.

Democratic Party is left party in most cases, it's refer as left wing but it's not extreme left wing, unlike socialist or communist party.

kokonut · 07-11-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

you said light wing. I suppose you meant left-wing, right? Left-wing is not always liberal. Right-wing is not always conservative either. In fact, left-wing is not a Democrat either. Obama is not a leftist/left-wing either.

Perhaps you should actually read up on it beside wikipedia... like political science textbooks. It's readily available at any library.

Actually, Jiro, the word left-wing has been used interchangeably to mean Democrat while right-wing has been used interchangeably to mean Republican. Left of center or left-wing, right of center or right-wing when it comes to ideological beliefs and values.

Obama is definitely a left-wing. And a statist, too, when it comes to greater governmental control over people and companies.

Here, take the test to see where you stand...politically.
The Political Compass - Test

**Foxrac** · 07-11-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Actually, Jiro, the word left-wing has been used interchangeably to mean Democrat while right-wing has been used interchangeably to mean Republican. Left of center or left-wing, right of center or right-wing when it comes to ideological beliefs and values.

Obama is definitely a left-wing. And a statist, too, when it comes to greater governmental control over people and companies.

Here, take the test to see where you stand...politically.
The Political Compass - Test

In bold, you got my point but for statism is in question, it would be some part.

**Jiro** · 07-11-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Actually, Jiro, the word left-wing has been used interchangeably to mean Democrat while right-wing has been used interchangeably to mean Republican. Left of center or left-wing, right of center or right-wing when it comes to ideological beliefs and values.

yes interchangeably but it is a misnomer when using it wrong.

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Obama is definitely a left-wing. And a statist, too, when it comes to greater governmental control over people and companies.

that is subjected to argument. There was greater governmental control over people under Bush Administration.... it's called Patriot Acts.

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Here, take the test to see where you stand...politically.
The Political Compass - Test

I've taken similar test. It says I'm a Centrist leaning to right.

**KarissaMann05** · 07-11-2009, 05:46 PM

You guys just prove me right.

I did take a survey paper and interviewed with 25 people, and they claimed conservatives are crazy, bigots, ignorants, greedy Republicans, villains, and etc etc. All thanks to medias who painted a nasty picture of the Republicians and conservatives. That is how people think of them as 'unpopular ones'. =/

**Maria** · 07-11-2009, 06:47 PM

What do you know about " Democracy " ? Have you ever heard about ISS ( Intercollegiate Socialist Society ) ?

**Jiro** · 07-11-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

What do you know about " Democracy " ? Have you ever heard about ISS ( Intercollegiate Socialist Society ) ?

ISS? International Space Station. orbits around the Earth every 90 minutes.

**Maria** · 07-11-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

ISS? International Space Station. orbits around the Earth every 90 minutes.

I am usin' ISS to stand for Intercollegiate Socialist Society.

**Jiro** · 07-11-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

I am usin' ISS to stand for Intercollegiate Socialist Society.

I know. never heard of it.

**Maria** · 07-11-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I know. never heard of it.

Hmm.... very interestin'!

Hwy99 · 07-12-2009, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Yup, I do remember about in 90's, our economy were sour after Clinton sworn in office in 1993 but got better in mid 90's, probably 1995 or 1996.

Yeah I remember those days, hope someday it will come back..

netrox · 07-12-2009, 11:04 AM

If America gets a leader of GOP that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, you can be assured that the leader gets a better chance of winning. America does NOT want a country ruled by the Moral majority.

**shel90** · 07-12-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

If America gets a leader of GOP that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, you can be assured that the leader gets a better chance of winning. America does NOT want a country ruled by the Moral majority.

**Foxrac** · 07-12-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

If America gets a leader of GOP that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, you can be assured that the leader gets a better chance of winning. America does NOT want a country ruled by the Moral majority.

Yup, it sounds like back in 1970's.

Most republicans got intensive conservative in after 80's.

Nixon/Ford is better president than Bush.

kokonut · 07-12-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes interchangeably but it is a misnomer when using it wrong.

that is subjected to argument. There was greater governmental control over people under Bush Administration.... it's called Patriot Acts.

How can it be used wrong? Give me an example. As you should know Obama amassed one of the least business-friendly records while he was a senator and was voted as the "most liberal senator" in 2007, according to the nonpartisan National Journal. Obama is without a doubt left-wing. He is certainly anti-capitalism when it comes to taxation and the cap and trade nonsense.

Subject to argument? Compared to an already burgeoning Obama administration? Has the Bush administration ever taken control or a stake in one of the automobile companies? Control over America's health care. The banks? As for the Patriot Act, Obama hasn't changed it. Rather, he's embraced it. And he even went further with this than Bush did.

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The Obama Administration goes two steps further than Bush did, and claims that the US PATRIOT Act also renders the U.S. immune from suit under the two remaining key federal surveillance laws: the Wiretap Act and the Stored Communications Act. Essentially, the Obama Adminstration has claimed that the government cannot be held accountable for illegal surveillance under any federal statutes.

In Warrantless Wiretapping Case, Obama DOJ's New Arguments Are Worse Than Bush's | Electronic Frontier Foundation

Again, you may want to rethink your stance on which president has garnered more govt control over people. Certainly, without a doubt Obama leads the pack in first place.

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07-11-2009, 04:34 PM	#66 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	The word "conservative" does not mean to be "right wing." Rather it's a separate ideological belief and value. You can have a conservative democrat, a conservative republican, even a conservative libertarian. They all have something in common but are either right or left of center. Or center itself.

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Maria Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WISCONSIN Posts: 10,309	What do you know about " Democracy " ? Have you ever heard about ISS ( Intercollegiate Socialist Society ) ?

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netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	If America gets a leader of GOP that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, you can be assured that the leader gets a better chance of winning. America does NOT want a country ruled by the Moral majority.