Obama Cuts Funding to Democracy Protesters In Iran. - Page 9

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Just watched a video of Obama in which he speaks out against the violence, the beatings, and the imprisonments in Iran over the last few days.

So there it is, he has spoken out against it.

yep there you go! it was the government who did the beating and imprisonment. We did not fund violence.

**Daredevel7** · 06-23-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Just watched a video of Obama in which he speaks out against the violence, the beatings, and the imprisonments in Iran over the last few days.

So there it is, he has spoken out against it.

And now let's sit and watch what a difference it makes.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

Ok, whatever it reads on your wall in the little box you live in, everyone playing gotcha with you running here and there just makes this thread insanely off topic. What about getting back on topic?

Why are you telling me to get back on topic when I said it first? Got anything to contribute to this issue beside education system and your private school?

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Nope. It was an applicable example. What is needed is fluid thinking. By your logic, any protestor that dies in the Iranian protests has not been killed by the oppressors, either.

what about Neda? she was killed by the goonie squad created by the oppressor.

**Beowulf** · 06-23-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Just watched a video of Obama in which he speaks out against the violence, the beatings, and the imprisonments in Iran over the last few days.

So there it is, he has spoken out against it.

Good. McCainites everywhere will sleep soundly tonight.

**Daredevel7** · 06-23-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yep there you go! it was the government did the beating and imprisonment. We did not fund violence.

It's not that we are funding violence. It's that we are feeding its longevity. In order to overpower them, we have to give them a LOT of money. That might work, but if we are giving them handfuls of bills... we are encouraging them to keep going but without enough resources for a good chance.... so it seems to me, all or nothing. I vote for nothing.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

It's not that we are funding violence. It's that we are feeding its longevity. In order to overpower them, we have to give them a LOT of money. That might work, but if we are giving them handfuls of bills... we are encouraging them to keep going but without enough resources for a good chance.... so it seems to me, all or nothing. I vote for nothing.

so you don't think we have moral obligation to help the oppressed people? We should stay out of Somalia while they're being starved to death by greedy warlord? You think we should like Milosevic continues with his barbaric ethnic cleansing?

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Again - link please that we're funding violence. Again - it was a peaceful protests that were beaten by riot police and Basijis aka goonie squads. Why the heavy censorship? Because it is the government who is using the violence, not the protesters.

um.... let's see.... We were in Kuwait, Afghanistan, and Iraq. All of those are functioning by their own people who are elected by their own people.

Afghanistan is a military republic. Kuwait is a constitutional monarchy.

You honestly think that funding the protesters isn't going to lead to a greater degree of violence? Puh-leeze.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

It's not that we are funding violence. It's that we are feeding its longevity. In order to overpower them, we have to give them a LOT of money. That might work, but if we are giving them handfuls of bills... we are encouraging them to keep going but without enough resources for a good chance.... so it seems to me, all or nothing. I vote for nothing.

Exactly. And feeding its longevity increases the incidence.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

what about Neda? she was killed by the goonie squad created by the oppressor.

All that does is show that there is a flaw in your logic.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Afghanistan is a military republic. Kuwait is a constitutional monarchy.

no................ Afghanistan is Islamic Republic. Pakistan is more of Military Republic.

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Originally Posted by jillio

You honestly think that funding the protesters isn't going to lead to a greater degree of violence? Puh-leeze.

Violence is always inevitable in any revolution but they are not shooting at people nor imprisoning people.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Good. McCainites everywhere will sleep soundly tonight.

Just responding to the previous question of whether I believed we had an obligation to speak out against the violence. Yep, and speaking out has been accomplished.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

All that does is show that there is a flaw in your logic.

is there such a thing as perfect logic? If so - we would have world peace

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no................ Afghanistan is Islamic Republic. Pakistan is more of Military Republic.

Not according to the Afghani I just spoke with.

Violence is always inevitable in any revolution but they are not shooting at people nor imprisoning people.

Who isn't?

**Daredevel7** · 06-23-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so you don't think we have moral obligation to help the oppressed people? We should stay out of Somalia while they're being starved to death by greedy warlord? You think we should like Milosevic continues with his barbaric ethnic cleansing?

Think of it this way: We see someone drowning far away, you want to go save him, despite the fact you are not a strong swimmer and the conditions are horrible. You jump in anyway because after all you're Jiro. Me? I assess the situation and realize that I don't have much of a chance saving him and throw him a life preserver instead and call for help.

Most likely, the guy died in both situations, but at least I'm still on the boat, and you're underwater along with the victim having a death grip on you.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

is there such a thing as perfect logic? If so - we would have world peace

Not asking for perfect logic. Just non-convoluted and non-contradictory logic.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

And now let's sit and watch what a difference it makes.

It will make no more of a difference than throwing money at the situation will.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Not according to the Afghani I just spoke with.

Just because that person is an Afghani doesn't mean he/she is well-informed about it. I mean for heaven's sake.... our fellow Americans don't even know who our VP (Dick Cheney) was. Quite a handful of them even though we were at war with France, not Iraq (even my other dentist friend with near 4.0 gpa thought so)

Remember Jay Leno's history/geographic quiz game?

C.C.Sinned · 06-23-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Think of it this way: We see someone drowning far away, you want to go save him, despite the fact you are not a strong swimmer and the conditions are horrible. You just in anyway because after all you're Jiro. Me? I assess the situation and realize that I don't have much of a chance saving him and throw him a life preserver instead and call for help.

Most likely, the guy died in both situations, but at least I'm still on the boat, and you're underwater along with the victim having a death grip on you.

a rather self-centered and cowardly analogy...

C.C.Sinned · 06-23-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

is there such a thing as perfect logic? If so - we would have world peace

where is spock anyway

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Just because that person is an Afghani doesn't mean he/she is well-informed about it. I mean for heaven's sake.... our fellow Americans don't even know who our VP (Dick Cheney) was. Quite a handful of them even though we were at war with France, not Iraq (even my other dentist friend with near 4.0 gpa thought so)

Remember Jay Leno's history/geographic quiz game?

Trust me...this Afghani is extremely well informed.

And it isn't that Americans didn't know...it was that they were trying to forget. With good reason.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

where is spock anyway

I just sprayed water at my colleague

no I was just kidding but you get the idea.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Trust me...this Afghani is extremely well informed.

sorry but the government source does not back your statement nor your Afghani friend. It is internationally recognized as Islamic Republic

Please show me authentic source that states Afghanistan's government system.

**Daredevel7** · 06-23-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

a rather self-centered and cowardly analogy...

And this is where the fundamental difference lies. How much of a self sacrifice should we make to help others? Unlimited? Never?

Often times, people confuse a refusal to help as being selfish. But...how can you help someone when you don't even have the resources to do so? Ya know whats funny though? If we didn't go into war with Iraq, we probably would have spent a lot of money to spend to help out the protesters. Its a shame.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

sorry but the government source does not back your statement nor your Afghani friend. It is internationally recognized as Islamic Republic

Please show me authentic source that states Afghanistan's government system.

Why? You would just dispute is as ridiculously as you continued to claim that Kuwait was a democracy after being offered much proof to the contrary.

And, quite frankly, I will take the word of my Afghani friend, knowing well her history and experience, over the word of a Korean in New Jersey when it comes to accuracy regarding Afghanistan.

**shel90** · 06-23-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

And this is where the fundamental difference lies. How much of a self sacrifice should we make to help others? Unlimited? Never?

Often times, people confuse a refusal to help as being selfish. But...how can you help someone when you don't even have the resources to do so? Ya know whats funny though? If we didn't go into war with Iraq, we probably would have spent a lot of money to spend to help out the protesters. Its a shame.

Aha..good point there.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Think of it this way: We see someone drowning far away, you want to go save him, despite the fact you are not a strong swimmer and the conditions are horrible. You jump in anyway because after all you're Jiro. Me? I assess the situation and realize that I don't have much of a chance saving him and throw him a life preserver instead and call for help.

Most likely, the guy died in both situations, but at least I'm still on the boat, and you're underwater along with the victim having a death grip on you.

It's the thought that counts that will inspire the others. MLK died and people carried it out. Gandhi died and people carried it out.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

It's the thought that counts that will inspire the others. MLK died and people carried it out. Gandhi died and people carried it out.

Are you comparing yourself to MLK and Ghandi?

If its the thought that counts, all we need do is THINK about helping Iran. Action doesn't matter.

But seriously...neither one of them preached governmental overthrow.

C.C.Sinned · 06-23-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Why? You would just dispute is as ridiculously as you continued to claim that Kuwait was a democracy after being offered much proof to the contrary.

And, quite frankly, I will take the word of my Afghani friend, knowing well her history and experience, over the word of a Korean in New Jersey when it comes to accuracy regarding Afghanistan.

NationMaster - Afghan Government statistics

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Islamic republic

**shel90** · 06-23-2009, 02:34 PM

If there is so much corruption in Iran, then why arent we helping fund Mexico to eliminate the corruption there?

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