Obama Cuts Funding to Democracy Protesters In Iran. - Page 8

flip · 06-23-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

in short- it's still a Western Education. That's why I didn't say American Education because I know many Middle Easterners are educated in either America or Europe.

I do agree with you that American education system is..... embarrassing and yet... we still hold the most record in Nobel Prizes, scientific minds, and innovations.

Good for you that the american education system not is utter shit

Rest of your reply don't make sense.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:36 PM

o.........k............. @ Jillio's post about some 0.258046 mumba jumba shitnez.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

Good for you that the american education system not is utter shit

Rest of your reply don't make sense.

yes and no. Our public education system is an utter shit and broken but our private education system is

Rest of my reply doesn't make sense? why? because it leaves a spice on your tongue?

C.C.Sinned · 06-23-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

i was hoping you would find my wording of the post humorous.

the reason i brought those riots up were for the comparissions of getting screwed by lack of representation in local government, economoy and police brutality... not much to laugh at

jillio · 06-23-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

o.........k............. @ Jillio's post about some 0.258046 mumba jumba shitnez.

Sorry. Do you need me to explain the context to you?

jillio · 06-23-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

i was hoping you would find my wording of the post humorous.

the reason i brought those riots up were for the comparissions of getting screwed by lack of representation in local government, economoy and police brutality... not much to laugh at

And all of that continues in the U.S. today. Still not laughable.

However, a country that bases not just their cultural beliefs, but their concept of social justice and political rule on the Quran can't be compared to a country that does not.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Your first sentence is exactly what Shel is talking about. Ethnocentric take over.

Again, you are confusing issues.

And it has nothing to do with political correctness. It is simply the proper use of terminology.

why in the world would you let the tyrannical bastards do whatever they want? I guess you believe it's not our moral obligation to speak out against that and to share them our democratic concepts. Sounds like you're the bystander.

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Originally Posted by jillio

Let me ask you this Jiro. What is so different about forcing a Western political system on a Middle Eastern culture than the hearing culture forcing the Deaf to comply with hearing culture?

Western political system? no. It's the "democratic concepts". The difference about hearing culture onto Deafies is that deafies are not killed, tortured, or kidnapped. Are female deafies being stoned for marrying a deafie that will further spread "deaf gene"? Are deafies being arrested for demanding their disability rights?

yep a fallacious comparison that is.

flip · 06-23-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes and no. Our public education system is an utter shit and broken but our private education system is

Rest of my reply doesn't make sense? why? because it leaves a spice on your tongue?

I also went to a private school, it was still shite. Guess some people are too stoked on US to notice the flaws.

It don't make sense because it lack any point and logic. You made a claim that you are trying to run away from.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And all of that continues in the U.S. today. Still not laughable.

However, a country that bases not just their cultural beliefs, but their concept of social justice and political rule on the Quran can't be compared to a country that does not.

we are not dictating social justice nor political rule for them. we are speaking out against the tyrannical injustices against the oppressed people.

C.C.Sinned · 06-23-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And all of that continues in the U.S. today. Still not laughable.

However, a country that bases not just their cultural beliefs, but their concept of social justice and political rule on the Quran can't be compared to a country that does not.

yeah that would be enough to make me a suicide bomber too

j/k

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

I also went to a private school, it was still shite. Guess some people are too stoked on US to notice the flaws.

Perhaps you are not suitable for private school. Many of my friends say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by flip

It don't make sense because it lack any point and logic. You made a claim that you are trying to run away from.

why don't you kindly illustrate for me?

**shel90** · 06-23-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

he didn't

My mistake..I meant in theory..if he makes a proposal to send in more money to fund the protest, it is likely he would get applause from those who criticized stimulus plan.

**shel90** · 06-23-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why in the world would you let the tyrannical bastards do whatever they want? I guess you believe it's not our moral obligation to speak out against that and to share them our democratic concepts. Sounds like you're the bystander.

Western political system? no. It's the "democratic concepts". The difference about hearing culture onto Deafies is that deafies are not killed, tortured, or kidnapped. Are female deafies being stoned for marrying a deafie that will further spread "deaf gene"? Are deafies being arrested for demanding their disability rights?

yep a fallacious comparison that is.

Not really cuz it did happen to deaf people in the past under the AGBell regime.

C.C.Sinned · 06-23-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why in the world would you let the tyrannical bastards do whatever they want? I guess you believe it's not our moral obligation to speak out against that and to share them our democratic concepts. Sounds like you're the bystander.

"give me liberty or give me death" doesn't mean much to most people these days

flip · 06-23-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Western political system? no. It's the "democratic concepts". The difference about hearing culture onto Deafies is that deafies are not killed, tortured, or kidnapped. Are female deafies being stoned for marrying a deafie that will further spread "deaf gene"? Are deafies being arrested for demanding their disability rights?

yep a fallacious comparison that is.

You never heard of AG Bell and their desperate attempts to annihilate the deaf population with banning of sign language, oral schools and early implants? Deaf people rallying outside the Volta building don't help. Where are you Obama? Deaf militias needs democratic funds!

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

You never heard of AG Bell and their desperate attempts to annihilate the deaf population with banning of sign language, oral schools and early implants? Deaf people rallying outside the Volta building don't help. Where are you Obama? Deaf militias needs democratic funds!

so.... did any deafies die from this "oppression"?

flip · 06-23-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Perhaps you are not suitable for private school. Many of my friends say otherwise.

why don't you kindly illustrate for me?

No thanks, I am not into special needs education

You nailed it, I was not suitable for the private school, it was too easy.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why in the world would you let the tyrannical bastards do whatever they want? I guess you believe it's not our moral obligation to speak out against that and to share them our democratic concepts. Sounds like you're the bystander.

Speaking out and funding violence are two very different concepts, Jiro.

Western political system? no. It's the "democratic concepts". The difference about hearing culture onto Deafies is that deafies are not killed, tortured, or kidnapped. Are female deafies being stoned for marrying a deafie that will further spread "deaf gene"? Are deafies being arrested for demanding their disability rights?

yep a fallacious comparison that is.

Not a fallicious comparison at all. It is a matter of one culture imposing their specific cultural values on a culture that subscribes to quite different cultural values. It is not a matter of degree. It is simply the act of imposition of one culture on another based on an ethnocentric perspective that their culture is superior.

flip · 06-23-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so.... did any deafies die from this "oppression"?

I am sure you can find the answers in average lenght of life stats and suicide rates.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so.... did any deafies die from this "oppression"?

Step out of that little box, Jiro, and try to think critically. It is not a matter of degree, it is a matter of imposition.

C.C.Sinned · 06-23-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

My mistake..I meant in theory..if he makes a proposal to send in more money to fund the protest, it is likely he would get applause from those who criticized stimulus plan.

most people seem to side only by party. hopefully the stimullus plan works. in an ideal world it would be nice to get on our feet without more debt. we don't live in an ideal world.

which is obvious whith Iran rigged electon and riots.

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

I am sure you can find the answers in average lenght of life stats and suicide rates.

no..... suicides or short life do not count as "killed by oppressors"

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Step out of that little box, Jiro, and try to think critically. It is not a matter of degree, it is a matter of imposition.

perhaps a better example is needed. You're grasping at straws there

jillio · 06-23-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

"give me liberty or give me death" doesn't mean much to most people these days

Here's a link to a copy of Patrick Henry's speech given on March 23, 1775, and from which the quote is often used out of context. The entire speech puts it into context.

Patrick Henry: Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death

jillio · 06-23-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no..... suicides or short life do not count as "killed by oppressors"

Wow! You really do live inside a box!

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

No thanks, I am not into special needs education

You nailed it, I was not suitable for the private school, it was too easy.

Never said anything about special needs education. Beside - what does this have to do with this topic?

jillio · 06-23-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

perhaps a better example is needed. You're grasping at straws there

Nope. It was an applicable example. What is needed is fluid thinking. By your logic, any protestor that dies in the Iranian protests has not been killed by the oppressors, either.

flip · 06-23-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no..... suicides or short life do not count as "killed by oppressors"

Ok, whatever it reads on your wall in the little box you live in, everyone playing gotcha with you running here and there just makes this thread insanely off topic. What about getting back on topic?

**Jiro** · 06-23-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Speaking out and funding violence are two very different concepts, Jiro.

Again - link please that we're funding violence. Again - it was a peaceful protests that were beaten by riot police and Basijis aka goonie squads. Why the heavy censorship? Because it is the government who is using the violence, not the protesters.

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Originally Posted by jillio

Not a fallicious comparison at all. It is a matter of one culture imposing their specific cultural values on a culture that subscribes to quite different cultural values. It is not a matter of degree. It is simply the act of imposition of one culture on another based on an ethnocentric perspective that their culture is superior.

um.... let's see.... We were in Kuwait, Afghanistan, and Iraq. All of those are functioning by their own people who are elected by their own people.

jillio · 06-23-2009, 02:04 PM

Just watched a video of Obama in which he speaks out against the violence, the beatings, and the imprisonments in Iran over the last few days.

So there it is, he has spoken out against it.

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jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Just watched a video of Obama in which he speaks out against the violence, the beatings, and the imprisonments in Iran over the last few days. So there it is, he has spoken out against it.