jillio

OMG...we could all start recycling and using "twisty lightbulbs" and driving cars that use something other than fossil fuels? How horrible!!!!

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jillio

Yep, two words: big picture.

naisho

I say we need to drop this whole ball game about Gore vs Cheney.

Because it's not on the same levels.

It is another barrel of mixing apples with oranges again, the fact therein lies on that they're sharing the barrel farm labeled as U.S.A.


Gore's got purpose for doing his talks, while Cheney, again, I claimed page 2 with this, and hopefully this re-claims:


(Hear again, it is a picture of Grandpa Abe Simpson - You can read about why I chose him to represent Cheney by clicking right here.)

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jillio

Absolutely its a case of comparing apples to oranges. Tell Darkdog. It was his fallicious comparison.

Banjo

Yes! I've never been so horrified in my life! Never!

*Swooping one of my hands up to my forehead and faints*

jillio

shel90

If I am scared into buying stuff or into behavior that takes care of our Earth, then I would be happy to listen to the "fear mongering" stuff about global warming!

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naisho

Shel, the differential we were banking on there was that a majority of people will believe the advertisements and then end up _spending more money_ to fund the whole global warming concept, which is always good to go green, but if the theory about it is fallacious then you just gave someone else some cash.

Thus, certain people (not all) are spending more money which (profits for that company) for something they don't know about, only to follow what someone else told them.

Later on, when confronted about their purchase, they might jump back on and say "well I got it to go green!" when they didn't even know jack squat about it, nor intentionally bought it for that reason.

That's why Gore became apart of this thread.

But we really need to stop discussing about Gore, last time.
a. Gore's following a scientific theory that can be debated.
b. Cheney is banking on some words and random thoughts that have no scientific evidence pertaining to it at all.



Whether this theory is true or not I don't know nor have the brains to figure it out. But I'd like to move on and stop trying to disprove or prove both the Anti-Gore and Pro Gores right and wrong.

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shel90

If it means buying the cloth bags for shopping, energy saving bulbs and etc for less trash, I am all for it.

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naisho

That is good, and you'll be respected for conserving.

Just a good amount of people out there don't have that intellect that you do and are just doing what they're being told without thinking, regardless of being from Gore or Cheney.

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Banjo

Oh I know what you mean. Some people follow Al Gore blindly without thinking twice. I've always been into being green. Long before all this "An Inconvenient Truth" hype getting everybody interested in being green.

jillio

There will always be sheeple. You can't make them think if they don't want to think.

jillio

As have I Banjo. But if Gore managed to get a few more people on the green wagon, it certainly hasn't done any harm, and will no doubt do some small amount of good.

shel90

Thanks...I dont believe in following any leaders to the extreme so what Dick is saying could be true but I wont live my life letting him scare me on a daily basis leaving me unable to function.

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DURAY

He was in the Senate. He could have done something....

Reba

It has done harm. One example: People, at Gore's urging, started switching to ethanol as a fuel source. That meant farmers quit growing food crops and began growing fuel crops. The cost of food went up, and is some areas, people went hungry.

Corn Ethanol: The Fuel to Higher Food Prices

jillio

People went hungry because the economy bottomed out thanks to the adminstration of the last 8 years.

Byrdie714

How is this related to Cheney?

naisho

This'll be a difficult one to solve, as neither of us are economists nor well versed in the world of econ profession, nor do I know of anyone on the forum so far that seems to be. We'll just have to leave both points at check and move on to something else debatable enough, and agree to disagree on that part. I can add that I know sugar canes are apart of the ethanol production, esp. from S. America, but I haven't seen their prices jump or heard of it, personally.
I do give all credits to this guy on the petroleum market crash though, no matter how lucky he got with his theory.


It starts from darkdog's opinion in this thread. Gore's supposedly using "fear mongering" (scare tactics to me) to instill anxiety and mesmerize the people he speaks to, to listen up to him and "go green", but some are thinking his ulterior motives are for monetary purposes. If you start from around my long-winded post on page5, you'll see where this Gore-power stuff came out.


PS. A nice read for anyone interested about biofuels (corn, sugarcane, etc) from TIME: The Trouble With Biofuels - TIME
I read this some time ago and found it quite interesting, perhaps you may as well.
Another one: The Clean Energy Scam - TIME
The one I saw in the magazine had nice charts to show you biofuel production, consumption, and usage by countries, it is rather unfortunate the web articles don't have them.

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Banjo

Um... that's still not the Obama administration. You have exposed yourself to have a political agenda.

Besides, you still haven't answered my question.

DURAY

What was your question?
CDFAI has a nice report about Canada's involvement in Afghanistan.

Too bad CAR was disbanbed after Somalia. still you Canadians are using a fantastic job, especially with the snipers.

from America.

naisho

That's his question for you Duray, in the red. He asked it 3 days ago on page 4.

Maria, do you have further thoughts on Cheney or a take on this that you'd like to add now?

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Maria

That's fine. You do what ever you want to do in YOUR life. Have fun typin' on AD.

Maria

That's your viewpoint. Let me tell you somethin'. I was walkin' with my fiance one evenin' - we were walkin' to the store to get some things. After shoppin', we were on the way home, someone shot my fiance right in the middle where his heart was. And, I couldn't hear anythin' but he could hear somethin' was soo loud. When we arrived home, he checked his chest and found the spot that showed a round pink. He told me that it was BB. I mean, in FLORIDA ?!?! I couldn't believe it. We don't know WHO did it. It obviously that it could be A N Y W H E R E, not just one specific place or famous/popular places such as Space Needle or Sears.

Soo, does that mean it paranoids me... the answer is no. I will NOT know WHEN or TIME it will happen. It happened just right there without our knowledge. It was dark at that time and we don't even see a person who did it. He told me that it was someone in the car drivin' by on the highway where we walked on the other side from the highway.

Maria

Naisho, all I can say is just wait and see. He mentioned about new attacks a while ago or recently. I believe there's new attacks out there. We don't live in a " paradise " world.

Jiro

but.... that's not an act of terrorism.... so what you gonna do then? Wear bullet vests because of this silly stupid prank by kids? You do not understand that in terrorism - YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHERE OR WHEN will it happen. Neither does government. If government knew, they will evacuate people. simple as that.

and everybody knows this - shit happens to anybody at anytime, anywhere. It's called reality. People get in car accident all the time. Many women get raped everyday. But what's not everyday is the act of terrorism.... that's Israel, not USA.

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shel90

Of course, there are always the possibility of new attacks out there anywhere...the question is for each person...how are he/she willing let the future possibility of attacks dictate their everyday lives?

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Jiro

why do you believe Cheney so much when he has a history of lying, obfuscation, and obstruction?

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jillio

Terrorists don't use BB guns. Children do.

jillio

Because he does it so well?