President Obama reverses abortion-funds policy - Page 3

**KarissaMann05** · 01-26-2009, 02:59 AM

So you guys assume all pro-lifers don't care about unwanted children and others who are already existed. Hell, I donated some items and money to help people, and am I still not counted??

Way to go, you guys.

**Foxrac** · 01-26-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SFShawn13

I just don't understand why a non-rape fetus deserves to live over a rape fetus.

Abortion is unnecessary for any reason than rape or life threaten but rather to damage to human and don't have any common sense, such as give up for adoption, consider so twice about start pregnant and use sex protection, however I know sex protection isn't 100% effective then adoption would good reason and more abortion could affect our national growth, that's my views.

I'm not going start debate and it has nothing with topic about pro-life or pro-choice.

**Foxrac** · 01-26-2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

So you guys assume all pro-lifers don't care about unwanted children and others who are already existed. Hell, I donated some items and money to help people, and am I still not counted??

Way to go, you guys.

Yup, I understand about your feeling and this thread is seems like turn into pro-life and pro-choice debate.

SFShawn13 · 01-26-2009, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Abortion is unnecessary for any reason than rape or life threaten but rather to damage to human and don't have any common sense, such as give up for adoption, consider so twice about start pregnant and use sex protection, however I know sex protection isn't 100% effective then adoption would good reason and more abortion could affect our national growth, that's my views.

I'm not going start debate and it has nothing with topic about pro-life or pro-choice.

Uhh, okay. I have my personal opinions on abortion and my political ones. Politically I will always support legal abortion. I don't think you have the authority to say when an abortion is and isn't neccesary, women abort for many reasons. But if you don't want to discuss it, that's fine.

akoutsourais · 01-26-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

I agree.

So is this funding meaning that we will fund abortions in other countries as well.

Or to help fund the Americans to go to other countries to perform the abortions.

I'm a bit confused by this.

Wrong. It funds groups/clinic/health providers in other countries that provide many many other services beyond abortion. Contraceptives, family planning, prenatal care, labor assistance, etc. Many women would die without these providers. But since the fundies in this country like to punish women, they help elect jerks (Bush), and then bitch a moan because these providers perform some abortion. They try to lead us on to believe that this is all that is provided, when in reality it is minuscule.

SFShawn13 · 01-26-2009, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by akoutsourais

Wrong. It funds groups/clinic/health providers in other countries that provide many many other services beyond abortion. Contraceptives, family planning, prenatal care, labor assistance, etc. Many women would die without these providers. But since the fundies in this country like to punish women, they help elect jerks (Bush), and then bitch a moan because these providers perform some abortion. They try to lead us on to believe that this is all that is provided, when in reality it is minuscule.

Yes, thank you. This funds SO much more than just abortion.

akoutsourais · 01-26-2009, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

I disagree with the funding of other countries with this type of issue.

America is in dire need of sex education and Birth control.

Funding other countries in this particular issue needs to be focused on our country first.

We are all connected, whether you want to admit it or not. Helping to keep birth rates down in other countries helps us all. Helping to educate others helps us all. We have birth control and sex education here, it's called Planned Parenthood, unfortunately the fundies drive cars through the doors of PP offices.

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**Foxrac** · 01-26-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SFShawn13

Uhh, okay. I have my personal opinions on abortion and my political ones. Politically I will always support legal abortion. I don't think you have the authority to say when an abortion is and isn't neccesary, women abort for many reasons. But if you don't want to discuss it, that's fine.

For politically, I think abortion should be restricted to some situation, except for rape, life threaten or any health issues that related to pregnant but it should be up to state to make own law instead of Roe v. Wade.

It's not easily to overturn this law and would last for long time but that's sad for me about took rights away from state.

**Reba** · 01-26-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

You pro-lifers concern more about fetus than little human being who are being abuse, neglected, murder, unwanted by their own parents.

I also wish the pro lifers would show the same interest in people including children being killed in wars as well.

Why do you make the assumption that just because people are against liberal abortion laws that they don't care about living children? Many of the same people who are against abortion are also against parental abuse, murder, child abandonment, and war.

How can you judge people so offhandedly that way?

**Reba** · 01-26-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

It makes me sad that you don't give a damn about people who already exist.

How do you come to that conclusion? Dreama never said that she didn't care about other people.

dreama · 01-26-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Yup, it's sad, what kind of abortion that you supported?

For me, I'm against on abortion except for life threaten and probably rape like I said in other post.

I'm really don't care about Obama lifted the funds ban on abortion and there's nothing as we could do.

I'm ok about morning after pill for rape victim.

Also abortion in life threatening conditions before Fetus can be removed via C section.

However, after that I don't think there is ANY viable excuse for abortion.

I'm also very much against funding birth control practices in countries like China. I read an article about this woman who gave birth to septuplets. She had to choose one and the rest were to be murdered! They also force women into abortion if they have more then one child. That is terrible!

Surely we can practice birth control without committing murders? Or funding other countries that do so.

As I said before. It is all very sad the way things are turning out.

Hear Again · 01-26-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

I'm also very much against funding birth control practices in countries like China. I read an article about this woman who gave birth to septuplets. She had to choose one and the rest were to be murdered! They also force women into abortion if they have more then one child. That is terrible!

citation?

dreama · 01-26-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

How do you come to that conclusion? Dreama never said that she didn't care about other people.

Thanks.

The reason I am against abortion is obviously because I DO care about people too. Including Fetuses and teenage mothers who are traumatised after being forced into abortion.

Hear Again · 01-26-2009, 10:48 AM

dreama,

who forces teenage mothers to have abortions? no one "forces" anyone to do anything. a person chooses to do something out of their own will unless a gun is put to their head.

dreama · 01-26-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Why do you make the assumption that just because people are against liberal abortion laws that they don't care about living children? Many of the same people who are against abortion are also against parental abuse, murder, child abandonment, and war.

How can you judge people so offhandedly that way?

Yes exactly.

Abortion does not solve child abuse or abandonment. In fact it gives the people the idea that children are disposable. It cheapens life. So Obama wants life to be even cheaper and cares more about the rights of dangerous criminals then the right of fetuses.

Hear Again · 01-26-2009, 10:51 AM

dreama,

citation from your above post, please?

dreama · 01-26-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

citation?

Before I bother to hunt the link will you take it from a pro life source as I sure as **** wouldn't quote a pro choice link.

Just click on the link on my signiture.

Hear Again · 01-26-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

Before I bother to hunt the link will you take it from a pro life source as I sure as **** wouldn't quote a pro choice link.

Just click on the link on my signiture.

i'll take any citation you can give me. i want to see proof of your allegation.

**Jiro** · 01-26-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

I'm ok about morning after pill for rape victim.

Also abortion in life threatening conditions before Fetus can be removed via C section.

However, after that I don't think there is ANY viable excuse for abortion.

I'm also very much against funding birth control practices in countries like China. I read an article about this woman who gave birth to septuplets. She had to choose one and the rest were to be murdered! They also force women into abortion if they have more then one child. That is terrible!

Surely we can practice birth control without committing murders? Or funding other countries that do so.

As I said before. It is all very sad the way things are turning out.

horrible but that's China. we don't do that in here. Europe does as well.... because some European countries legally allowed euthanasia. we don't in here.

**Jiro** · 01-26-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

Yes exactly.

Abortion does not solve child abuse or abandonment. In fact it gives the people the idea that children are disposable. It cheapens life. So Obama wants life to be even cheaper and cares more about the rights of dangerous criminals then the right of fetuses.

cheapen? here's a correct term for you - it SPARES them of cruel life in the future.

Hear Again · 01-26-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

horrible but that's China. we don't do that in here. Europe does as well.... because some European countries legally allowed euthanasia. we don't in here.

...and what on earth does that have to do with obama?

dreama · 01-26-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

dreama,

who forces teenage mothers to have abortions? no one "forces" anyone to do anything. a person chooses to do something out of their own will unless a gun is put to their head.

Sorry but you are wrong there. It happens all the time. two posters here on AD have had that experience.

I can post plenty of sources but they will of course all be pro life because of course Pro choice and mainstream media (which curently is pro choice) think it's ok for mothers to murder babies so I'm hardly going to quote from it. I've provided plenty of links about that before but since the major disagreement we have about what constitues a viable source I'm hardly going to hunt out links just to be told they are not viable.

**Foxrac** · 01-26-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

I'm ok about morning after pill for rape victim.

Also abortion in life threatening conditions before Fetus can be removed via C section.

However, after that I don't think there is ANY viable excuse for abortion.

I'm also very much against funding birth control practices in countries like China. I read an article about this woman who gave birth to septuplets. She had to choose one and the rest were to be murdered! They also force women into abortion if they have more then one child. That is terrible!

Surely we can practice birth control without committing murders? Or funding other countries that do so.

As I said before. It is all very sad the way things are turning out.

Removing the fetus is limited to c-section as only option? I don't know that but c-section seems painful with scar.

What you means about morning after pill for rape victim?

Yup, I had seen alot in China and very disgusted but China has serious overpopulation problem and won't able to handle more people, that why they adopted one child policy to control the population.

Russia has alot of abortion, so more than birth and population has been declining after collapse of USSR in 1991.

Hear Again · 01-26-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

I've provided plenty of links about that before but since the major disagreement we have about what constitues a viable source I'm hardly going to hunt out links just to be told they are not viable.

apparently this shows that you can't back up your arguments. why am i not surprised?

...and i still stand by my statement that teenage mothers are not *forced* to have abortions. they may be strongly encouraged or guilted into it, but they are not forced.

dreama · 01-26-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

cheapen? here's a correct term for you - it SPARES them of cruel life in the future.

Sorry but I disagree. Since I know abusive people who have had an abortion but then go on to have another child.

So I'm sorry, nobody is spared. The only way to spare these children would be to steralize abusive parents and take their children into care. That's the only way since otherwise they just carry on having more and more children.

Hear Again · 01-26-2009, 11:02 AM

c-sections aren't painful. the mother is given an anesthetic and is awake during the entire procedure.

**Jiro** · 01-26-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

Sorry but I disagree. Since I know abusive people who have had an abortion but then go on to have another child.

So I'm sorry, nobody is spared. The only way to spare these children would be to steralize abusive parents and take their children into care. That's the only way since otherwise they just carry on having more and more children.

ok but that's them. what about others who really need it? say.... for health reason?

**Foxrac** · 01-26-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

apparently this shows that you can't back up your arguments. why am i not surprised?

...and i still stand by my statement that teenage mothers are not *forced* to have abortions. they may be strongly encouraged or guilted into it, but they are not forced.

dreama made point about some parent did forced girl teenagers to have their babies to be aborted.

**Jiro** · 01-26-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

dreama made point about some parent did forced girl teenagers to have their babies to be aborted.

yes but if you don't like that law - then write a letter to Congress to lower the "legal" age.

1. parents have to pay for everything
2. it's very very dangerous for teen girls to give birth - they can die
3. it's very dangerous to give birth because there is a high chance of defect that baby will have

dreama · 01-26-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

apparently this shows that you can't back up your arguments. why am i not surprised?

...and i still stand by my statement that teenage mothers are not *forced* to have abortions. they may be strongly encouraged or guilted into it, but they are not forced.

It does nothing of the sort. I'll post the links on here when i've got the time but as I've already said. You are just going to tell me that they are not viable. Because I simply don't trust the sources that you consider viable and visa versa.

Since two AD's here have been forced, that shows that it definately DOES happen.

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Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	dreama, who forces teenage mothers to have abortions? no one "forces" anyone to do anything. a person chooses to do something out of their own will unless a gun is put to their head.

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Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	dreama, citation from your above post, please?

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Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	c-sections aren't painful. the mother is given an anesthetic and is awake during the entire procedure.