President Obama reverses abortion-funds policy - Page 15

**shel90** · 01-27-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

It just seems absurd to accuse Obama of exporting abortion to other countries when abortion has been secretly carried out for centuries in those countries. I can see why he'd say that he didn't want to keep discussing this fruitless and pointless debate.

To accuse someone of all the abortions that go on around the world is really going too far.

Obama just wants to protect the women who are suffering which I think is very nobel of him. However, I do think the funding should be on hold until America's financial health is in good shape. Too many people are still losing jobs on a daily basis.

**Reba** · 01-27-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

To accuse someone of all the abortions that go on around the world is really going too far.

Obama just wants to protect the women who are suffering which I think is very nobel of him. However, I do think the funding should be on hold until America's financial health is in good shape. Too many people are still losing jobs on a daily basis.

Yep. If he wants to be noble he can spend his own money, not mine.

**shel90** · 01-27-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yep. If he wants to be noble he can spend his own money, not mine.

Just like Bush spent my money on the war? I dont agree with the war but yet, my dollars were overspent on it.

Guess we will have to use our money for this as well.

jillio · 01-27-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Just like Bush spent my money on the war? I dont agree with the war but yet, my dollars were overspent on it.

Guess we will have to use our money for this as well.

Bingo. Such is the price of freedom.

**Reba** · 01-27-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Just like Bush spent my money on the war? I dont agree with the war but yet, my dollars were overspent on it.

Guess we will have to use our money for this as well.

He wasn't trying to be noble; he was trying to protect our country from future attacks.

jillio · 01-27-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

We wasn't trying to be noble; he was trying to protect our country from future attacks.

And Obama is protecting human rights.

**shel90** · 01-27-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

We wasn't trying to be noble; he was trying to protect our country from future attacks.

Human rights, especially for women, arent important?

Byrdie714 · 01-27-2009, 05:26 PM

I'm glad that we are contributing funds to organizations that provide abortions overseas.

Especially in Africa where HIV/AIDS is the norm and do we really want children born with HIV/AIDS into this world knowing that their life is already bleak due to insufficient/inadequate health/medical care?

**shel90** · 01-27-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I'm glad that we are contributing funds to organizations that provide abortions overseas.

Especially in Africa where HIV/AIDS is the norm and do we really want children born with HIV/AIDS into this world knowing that their life is already bleak due to insufficient/inadequate health/medical care?

Even if America is so broke now? I am not against contributing funds but many here in America need help too.

**Reba** · 01-27-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Human rights, especially for women, arent important?

The US President needs to be most concerned with American rights and lives.

Byrdie714 · 01-27-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Even if America is so broke now? I am not against contributing funds but many here in America need help too.

America wouldn't be broke if it learned to pay off it's creditors.

(I had to get that off my chest.

)

**shel90** · 01-27-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

America wouldn't be broke if it learned to pay off it's creditors.

(I had to get that off my chest.

)

My way of thinking is that fix the mess we are in and then help the other countries. I think it is a great plan to help women worldwide but need to take care of business here first...

Byrdie714 · 01-27-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

My way of thinking is that fix the mess we are in and then help the other countries. I think it is a great plan to help women worldwide but need to take care of business here first...

Actually we will be fine-- it a little rough but we will perservere. We always have.

jillio · 01-27-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The US President needs to be most concerned with American rights and lives.

Most is a quantified term. Who says American rights and lives aren't his first concern? Just because he is concerned with human rights in general does not mean that American's rights are not his biggest concern. The fact is, he is a forward thinker. He understands that American concerns don't stop at the border.

SFShawn13 · 01-27-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The US President needs to be most concerned with American rights and lives.

We live in a global world. We can't pretend anymore that if X happens in a country it won't affect (effect?) us here. Everything affects us.

I am MORE than happy to give my money to programs which work.

**Reba** · 01-27-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I'm glad that we are contributing funds to organizations that provide abortions overseas.

Especially in Africa where HIV/AIDS is the norm and do we really want children born with HIV/AIDS into this world knowing that their life is already bleak due to insufficient/inadequate health/medical care?

Then this should make you glad:

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President Bush Has Significantly Increased Aid to Africa, Including Funding for HIV/AIDS, Malaria, According to New Statistics

January 2, 2007

U.S. humanitarian and development aid to Africa under the Bush administration has increased from $1.4 billion annually in 2001 to $4 billion annually, according to statistics released recently by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the Washington Post reports (Fletcher, Washington Post, 12/31/06). In addition, President Bush has demonstrated a "growing commitment" to combating HIV/AIDS and malaria in Africa, London's Independent reports. According to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Bush "should be known for the largest single investment in AIDS and malaria, the biggest health investment of any government" (Usborne, Independent, 1/2). According to Rep. Donald Payne (D-N.J.), the "evangelical community raised the awareness" of HIV/AIDS to Bush. He added, "When the Bush administration came in, HIV and AIDS were not an overwhelming priority. Now we have seen a total metamorphosis." Egypt, Ethiopia, Sudan and Uganda are among the world's top 10 recipients of aid from the U.S, and U.S. trade with Africa has doubled since 2001, the Post reports. In addition, Bush recently pledged to increase humanitarian and development aid to the continent to almost $9 billion by 2010....

President Bush Has Significantly Increased Aid to Africa, Including Funding for HIV/AIDS, Malaria, According to New Statistics - The Body

jillio · 01-27-2009, 05:53 PM

Old news.

Hear Again · 01-27-2009, 05:56 PM

as jillio said, that's old news. too bad all of that money sent to africa couldn't have been spent in our own country.

Byrdie714 · 01-27-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Then this should make you glad:

President Bush Has Significantly Increased Aid to Africa, Including Funding for HIV/AIDS, Malaria, According to New Statistics - The Body

That is just in terms of medication for those individuals that are afflicted with the disease and nothing about curbing the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Africa especially among women that don't even know they are HIV+.

By supporting abortion--these women that know they are HIV+ can go ahead and abort the babies due to insufficient healthcare as Bush's support is supporting adults with the disease.

Afterall--the more children we bring into this world with this disease, the more catastrophic it will be on the economy. If you need an example--look at Zimbabwe, Kenya, Tanzania.

**Reba** · 01-27-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Most is a quantified term. Who says American rights and lives aren't his first concern?

I didn't say they weren't. I stated the position for all US Presidents. For all US Presidents, the needs of America should take priority.

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...He understands that American concerns don't stop at the border.

Just like Bush.

Hear Again · 01-27-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Just like Bush.

if that's the case, why do we have problems with more illegal aliens crossing our borders?

**Reba** · 01-27-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Old news.

I didn't realize information had an expiration date.

BTW, the funding carries thru 2010, which is the future.

Byrdie714 · 01-27-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

as jillio said, that's old news. too bad all of that money sent to africa couldn't have been spent in our own country.

We needed to stabilize those countries in Africa that are fighting the disease. The problem with the funding is that it was geared towards adults and not the children.

In terms of funding for medical care for HIV/AIDS in this country--we're pretty stable.

**Reba** · 01-27-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

as jillio said, that's old news. too bad all of that money sent to africa couldn't have been spent in our own country.

Obama spending American money overseas for aid is good.

Bush spending American money overseas for aid is bad.

Huh?

Hear Again · 01-27-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

We needed to stabilize those countries in Africa that are fighting the disease. The problem with the funding is that it was geared towards adults and not the children.

In terms of funding for medical care for HIV/AIDS in this country--we're pretty stable.

when i was referring to the fact that i wished all of that money could have been spent here in this country, i meant spending it on poor people and the middle class.

jillio · 01-27-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I didn't say they weren't. I stated the position for all US Presidents. For all US Presidents, the needs of America should take priority.

Just like Bush.

But with a completely different perspective. Bush could only hope to ever be as globally aware and fluid thinking.

**Reba** · 01-27-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

if that's the case, why do we have problems with more illegal aliens crossing our borders?

Because we're not cracking down on hard enough on the border and those who have come into our country illegally.

Does Obama have a plan to solve the illegal alien problem?

Hear Again · 01-27-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Obama spending American money overseas for aid is good.

Bush spending American money overseas for aid is bad.

Huh?

the differentiation lies in the purpose.

Byrdie714 · 01-27-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I didn't realize information had an expiration date.

BTW, the funding carries thru 2010, which is the future.

Less than 330 some days....

Hear Again · 01-27-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Because we're not cracking down on hard enough on the border and those who have come into our country illegally.

Does Obama have a plan to solve the illegal alien problem?

yes. if you read his website, you can learn all about it, reba.

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01-27-2009, 05:26 PM	#428 (permalink)
Byrdie714 Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8,941	I'm glad that we are contributing funds to organizations that provide abortions overseas. Especially in Africa where HIV/AIDS is the norm and do we really want children born with HIV/AIDS into this world knowing that their life is already bleak due to insufficient/inadequate health/medical care?

01-27-2009, 05:53 PM	#437 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Old news.

01-27-2009, 05:56 PM	#438 (permalink)
Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	as jillio said, that's old news. too bad all of that money sent to africa couldn't have been spent in our own country.