Jolie77

A friend and I had an intense conversation not too long ago about this question.

This is an hypothetical question which got me piqued.

My response to this friend was -

Hmm, That is a good question. There's no telling which country would seize USA; However, USA once was under England's control and perhaps I'm playing the devil's advocate here - It'd be ironic if England actually seized this country again.

What are your take on this?

Could it be China because USA is in a huge debt to them? Could it be India? Could it be one of these Middle Eastern Countries?

Discuss with respect, please.

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sequoias

I really have no idea about who will invade the US, but I didn't know that US owes China $500 billion? US borrowed money from China? That's really unusual!

web730

No, it was the trade debts (not by borrowing).

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sequoias

I see.

Jolie77

I apologize, I retracted my statement. I was told it was around that figure but it's not the exact amount. I do know that US is in a huge debt into for them.

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sequoias

It's all good. I don't think any country in the world is rich enough to buy out the United States.

web730

You were correct that we owe them $500B to China, eventually!

They even said the same thing on the TV news show last week... also John McCain mentioned that once in his campaign. Try Goggle and you will find few sites saying the same thing, too.

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Jolie77

Perhaps, Perhaps not. I'm just throwing this out in the mix to see how it goes because you know, Howard Hughes tried to buy this country out. In that era, that alone was staggering.

That's what I thought, Thank you.

I had remembered reading it somewhere but just couldn't exactly remember where it came from, lol.

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web730

Didn't we give it some thoughts about it (what if)? Doubt that we did ever. But I recalled once back in the cold war period we were quite considered about the Russians. You recall it, Jodie77 and anybody?

I think it won't happen ever. Hope so! lol

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Hear Again

i remember the cold war and our concern over the russians.

in fact, i remember it quite well.

i also remember when reagan was responsible for the collapse of the berlin wall in 1989.

i wouldn't go so far as to say there could never be another cold war. we live in a very dangerous world which means *anything* is possible. we no longer live in the same world of the 1980s when terrorism was scarce.

Jiro

You want my answer? none. why? because it costs a SIGNIFICANT amount of money, manpower, and equipment to transport that many soldiers to retain a control of USA. Yes the country will control USA but TEMPORARILY. The history has shown this many times.

2 major reasons why seizing USA will be an epic fail:
1. geographical advantage
2. Amendment 2
To answer your question, Jolie...
India? absolutely not. While they have huge numbers of manpower... they lack mindset and especially military infrastructure to seize America. They cannot seize USA without getting seized by Pakistan. Beside India's our friend.

Russia? nope they're not interested at all. They have their own problem to deal with the former USSR countries especially Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, etc... They will attack Russia if Russia sent a significant portion of its military resource on USA.

England? no they're our friend. they will most likely have their own internal problem financially and politically if USA collapses...

Middle East? extraordinary unlikely since their military infrastructure is LAUGHABLE. They don't even have aircraft carrier! How are they going to transport their troops & equipment to USA? Beside - Israel will pound on their ass.

China? Possible but in the end - it will be an epic fail. Most likely scenario to transport significant amount of troops and equipments across the ocean - by using hundred of oil tankers and cargo ships. They will hit the West Coast hard and we will lose 1/4th of USA.

Despite of invasion.... no nuclear war will occur. When you say "USA collapses"..... that means the federal government (White House & D.C.) has collapsed. There is no chain in command. However... the beauty of USA that NO other country has is.....USA has a capability to function as decentralized government... meaning there are 50 states acting independently with their own leaders (Senators/Governor), national guards and citizens. it will no longer be called as United States of America but it'd be simply called as "America". Each state has their own name and flag. Chance is - several states will band together... forming a faction.

It is highly likely that there will be 2-3 factions. The most powerful one will be.... you guess it! Texas! and another faction will most likely be Ohio. Texas has OIL, military, and lands (crops) so this faction will consist of mostly mid-western states while Ohio will control most of Eastern coast. Texas faction will most likely have air & marines superiority while Ohio faction will most likely have naval & army superiority.

The reason why I say it will be an epic fail to seize America is because it is impossible to completely seize USA. Many examples we have seen in history when a nation tried to control numbers of countries -

Hitler - failed
USSR - failed
Roman Empire - failed
Japanese Occupation - failed
British Empire - failed
many more....

God Bless America! that's how much faith I have in America

Maria

Well, Jiro - it looks like our country, America is already in poverty. America is next to fail.

Jiro

so are India, Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa, Mexico, etc..... and what happened to them? They're fine

sequoias

Yeah, many countries with high poverty are still always a country.

Jiro

plus.... never EVER.... EVER... EVER underestimate them... especially their will to defend their own home country... no matter how poor they are. Look at Vietnam, Afghanistan, Cuba, Somalia, etc...

sequoias

Yeah, true. You cannot judge a country by the cover of the book for sure.

Banjo

Africa is certainly not fine at all. Have you seen South Africa lately? Afghanistan is a hell zone. Canadians are facing more difficulties than ever to fight the terrorists over there. Mexico... well... all of them are coming to America these days.

Babyblue

If any country tries to take over. I'm sure the USA will fight tooth and nails and we will prevail.

No matter what debts we are in. Our country will stay FREE.

Jiro

Russian failed to take over Afghanistan, did they not? British's having hard time retaining control of South Africa, are they not? there you go.

Jolie77

Jodie? Heh! That's all right.

Well, I was kinda a bit young to recall about the Cold War but I do remember there were 'talks' about having the concerns being run so high that it was worrying a lot of us. There are a lot of 'what ifs' questions that is presented out there but it does not mean that it could or couldn't happen. I, too, hope it doesn't happen at all. Nothing is really secure now these days.

Interesting response, Jiro - Although, You have some points that I wanted to ask. While I do agree that USA is far off too big for any other nations to take over. However, What if they had the money, manpower and equipments to be able to pull it off? What if they were able to improve their defenses? If that were to happen, what's going to happen then?

Fail? Well, I don't think America will actually fail. Sure, America may have been through a lot of rough patches in the entire 232 years since the Declaration of Independence was entered - It has not failed. America has been through the Great Depression and did we fail? No, We bounced right back. We are in this current global economy situation and that goes for a lot of other countries too. They are doing fine too.

So, I ask you, Why is it that you think America will be the next to fail?

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JClarke

Did anyone mention Australia, no?

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sequoias

Nope, not at all. I don't know the history about Australia having connections with the US or other countries in war.

JClarke

Not sure though but the country is handled by the UK.

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Jiro

Remember - when it comes to war... it's not fought by how much money you have. The war's won by a steady stream of resources and men needed to fight (fuel, ammo, equipment).

Look at Vietnam. We had money, manpower, and equipment and yet... we lost Vietnam War. British had money, manpower, and equipment and yet.... they lost American Revolution. Nazi had it all... and yet they lost against Russia. Same for Japan against USA. the pattern's always same. It's difficult and costly to sustain a steady stream of supply across the ocean.

We may have foreigners on our American soil and it will be a long, bloody battle. In the end - we'll win.

simple.... because of Obama!

Secretblend

America will fail only cause of internal problems. Only then would another country be able to conquer America. Look at Roman Empire for a great example.

Tousi

I'm with Jiro! Maria, have a little faith!

Jiro

exactly. there you go. Internal problems yes. Not a huge problem since each state can operate independently and/or join together with other states. Roman Empire couldn't do that. No other country could do that either. That's why America is a very very unique country and I'm absolutely sure that our founding fathers have already seen all these problems repeating many times in the history and they made sure that America doesn't fall for it.

Foxrac

We had deep debt before and I doubtfully any countries would take USA because of debt, it seems like immoral to say like that.

I agree with Jiro about most anything.

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I feel a war is won by preventing the war! Everybody loses in a war, though I understand why some wars must occur, to prevent further loses. There will come a time soon when it will be considered old knowledge that rogue contries and factions have aquired nuclear threat capabilities. It is in these we must most be diligent in monitoring. Our freedoms are most likely to be suppressed or threatened by multiple organizations who seek to destroy democracy in their on self absorbed interests. Economically we have now learned that no institution is too profitable and wealthy to weather global chaos. International investment markets are becoming more closely interwined and dependant on each other every year. I wish there were a better system of checks and balances within these top 10% financial wealthy institutions and monitoring of corruption and illegal practices that we read or hear of happening all the time.

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Reagan did not cause the Berlin wall to fall . East Germany was already on it's last legs. Reagan is famous for his " voodoo economics and alzchemiers disease . Not to mention his wife consulting the stars to make national decisions !!!

If anyone can buy the USofA, It would be BillyBob Gates. With all of his billions he made off his Microsoft company.

GOD Bless America and our Canadian friends !!!!

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