Byrdie714

That's a possibility.

Deafness

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Secretblend

In a way, USA and Mexico is already merging.

C.C.Sinned

lol i was just gonna say something to that effect

Byrdie714

Just like the northern states merging in with Canada.

Jolie77

Foxrac,

I think what Brian meant (correct me if I'm wrong, Brian) by United States being stronger; That only makes other countries wanting to have a piece of United States because when that happens, These country will also become stronger and having a powerful control on the rest of the world. That is why there are other countries that have tried to (as history has shown) seize United States but yet, they have failed.

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Hear Again

really? how so? i live in a northern state and haven't noticed this.

Jiro

i know. right? lol but obviously eastern coast will not partner up with Texas Union... the D.C. will most likely relocate to Ohio.

As I explained previously - Virginia will most likely swear its loyalty to Ohio Faction. Virginia = naval base

yes.. most likely 2 huge powerful factions..... and some little factions who will partner up with mexico or canada.

Jiro

that's the one that will get hit hard by Chinese... with surprise! that's why I said USA will lose 1/4th of USA.. which is entire western coast. Think about hundreds and hundreds of tankers/cargo ships raiding on Western Coast....

Jiro

that is much more likely to happen than invasion on USA NAFTA at last...

Jolie77

Just being curious here - If it was on the opposite turf such as the East Coast; Wouldn't that make a difference too?

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Isaiah 33:6 - "He will be the sure foundation for your times, a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge; the fear of the Lord is the key to this treasure."

Beowulf

In 1971 I read a book called "Vandenberg" by Oliver Lange. It was in the middle of the Cold War and the Russians took over the USA. We went out not with a bang, but a whimper. I recommend the book for reading, since it is still pertinent today as it was over 30 years ago. (Our downfall was apathy and accomodation, which is still true today.)

Maria

Alrighty! ( Hey, psst... I am not worryin'. I am always on my Maker's side. )

Maria

Me ? Naw, I am not afraid of Obama Administration. I just move on.

Cookie Monster

Roger Murtaugh: Japanese?
Martin Riggs: Well, it’s a Japanese radio.
Roger Murtaugh: Maybe they bought the LAPD too.
Martin Riggs: They own everything else.

from Lethal Weapon 2

jswilson

I cant beleive that we are a bunch of carnival debaters about all this hype happening to our country!! And the South shall rise again!!

XBGMER

A) I don't think so england would seized USA again. England will be more participate with Europe union and policy for their more interesting and events.

B) Honestly I acknowledge that USA has heavy debt like seq's post #2. I don't think china, India, or Mid-Eastern would invade or control the USA at all. Those countries are STILL weak and will blaming the soil of North America because of ecnonmy and debt for rest. USA already fall apart from superpower & powerful weathly in the world that began. USA will be heal for short times like rise, fall and heal (shorttime) of Roman empire before roman empire doomed and buried, however this country will be more struggle and never get better nor improve till final US people will give up & push this country into Mussolini-hilter system when dictator come. time will tell. Have you see the rise and fallen of gremany empire, however germany country was healed by nazi party for short times, then they turned their country into doom!

C) I will learn how to respect people entitle their opinions.


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I read somebody said " God bless America", Did God tell you that? If not, then Who told you that? Someone claim, "this country is still superpowers & secure in the nations of world". You know what? America already failed for long times ago! Then..Next time don't make God in name's vain nor make America in this name's vain.. Thank you!

HorseRace

very very interesting on this topic and everyone debate here! wow!

yes i agree with jiro..

but as for me, i know American wont be last forever..while it is still there much like all other countries.. for example russian start something like Continstion(sp) and end up that is only last 50 years. then broke down.. and then now it is regular russian..

i am sure our Delaration(sp) of indepence(sp) or something.. i know it is start over 200 years ago.. so look at the time.. start from 200 years ago.. and until now.. i am sure it wont be last forever.. i am sure it would be down like maybe another 100 years.. it just all depend... same thing to all other countries.. BUT BUT BUT WHO KNOWS!!!!!!!!!! yea who knows.. no one know how long on that will last.............. just all depend..

Jiro

extremely unlikely since Atlantic Coast is "alliance" turf. You have Europe on that side and that's the major drawback for invader. Remember that you need a steady stream of supply to ensure the victory.... Europe's not going to make it easy for invader so the attack from Atlantic Coast is extremely unlikely.

gotta love the geographical advantage for America!

Jiro

that's right.... who knows... who knows... but I'd like to say that our founding fathers have already foreseen and studied the causes of the downfall of many great civilizations... which is why they created the Constitution and check-and-balance system. Think about it - have you EVER seen any other country or civilization with system like ours?

Byrdie714

Not without losing California as it's a known fact that it is one of the biggest economies that benefits the US.

Tousi

Even though California is nearly broke right now, I still agree with you, Byrdie.

Hear Again

of course. after all, it is the largest (i.e. most populated) state in the u.s.

Hwy99

Never mind, you edited your post lol..

Hwy99

I wonder what about those something like Cascadia, or Lakota?

Hear Again

i wanted to make sure other ad'ers knew exactly what i meant by "largest."

Hwy99

Yup I notice that

Jiro

you're talking about peacetime. when it comes to war, economy's of no concern... economy's already at standstill when it comes to war. your dollars and coins mean nothing. the system is broken. the government is broken (as what OP said when the government has collapsed). It is now switched to war effort - the manufacturing of weapons (exactly like WWI & WWII). Plenty of those kind of factories in Virginia, Texas, and bunch of other states.

California and Washington will be hit first by Chinese or other invader. and when that happen - Californians will run away to East. Fear not... we will regain it back later.

Funny thing is... all these invasion stuff.... it makes a cool movie or game. it's pretty cool to fantasize about it. unfortunately..... in reality....... it's possibly very unlikely that it would ever happen because.. here's a thing - it took USA over 6 months to mobilize about 200,000 troops and tanks/choppers/etc to Iraq in 1991. Now how can invader actually mobilize that massive amount of troop QUIETLY to America without anybody knowing it? It's very easy to spot massive mobilization with spy satellites and it's very easy to discover this thru "chatter"


to be continued......

Liebling:-)))

First of all, I'm glad to see more positive discussion on this thread here.

I doubt any country would seize USA when USA collapse but China's issue is an important question for me to ask. I have several questions to ask you all.

Sure, we all know that China is one of the largest foreign investors in USA. China bought dollars to keep its own currency and gives the U.S. government more cash to spend more. Yes, China need America as an export market to boost their own economy because they knows that Americans buys all the China products.

BUT...but... What USA would be become if China decide to stop to buy US debt?

Accord Jolie's question, China's investment to US debt would be a valueless if USA goes bankrupt... Do you think China would accept and say nothing after lost their investment to US bankrupt/collapse ? Would China do something to save their investment before USA goes collapse? Maybe China take USA over to cover the US debts?

Another question, do you think US Government should pay off the debts to foreign investors few hundreds million of $700 billion bailout to save USA's country or aviod any problems from them?

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Reba

You cover the Southwest, and I'll cover the Southeast. Jiro will cover the Northeast, and Byrdie will cover the Northwest.

Maria

Well, first of all I think it is because, of lawlessness. And, secondly -- greedy, fraud, dishonesty, violate of trust, and the list goes on. That's the main reason why our America don't success very well and it became weak. What happened to America's blessings ? I am talkin' about America's future. Will America success through blessings like it was before in WWI & II ? I think America's future is very bleak - not 100% promisin', but at the same time, I believe there's a hope out there somewhere.

Question: Is it America always the country that the other foreign countries depend on ? Like for instance: Stock Market ? If, so -- I would like to know why it is always America that the whole world depend on when it comes to Stock Market for businesses ? I wonder, do each foreign country have their own Stock Market to help their own businesses without dependin' on our country ? I know, it is wrong to rely other foreign country's oil like the one in Saudia Arabia, but at the same time our American people don't want to drill in our land for oil -- save that alone in case for America's emergency when the time comes. I mean, just in case if, other foreign countries decide not to help America.

And, also I recalled readin' one of books, it tells about 3 or 4 different militaries/armies from other foreign countries to take over our country to send some American people to their foreign countries. For example: it explained about our American troops and that they need to be sendin' out to other foreign countries instead of protectin' our country, because if, American troops stay in our country, then they will feel sympathy to see American people suffer in the hands of foreign armies/troops ( abuses, tortures, and etc., etc. ). Foreign armies/troops will not feel sympathy toward American people. They are trained not to feel for other " foreign " people who don't live in their same country.

If, you ask me what foreign troops are. They are Russians, Chineses, Germans troops... more like " communist " troops. In book, it tells about the color of their United Nations caps. One foreign troops group's caps would be blue, and the other foreign troops group's caps would be red ... etc., etc. And, they will be dividin' all over in our country. America will be dividin' into parts and people can not escape from their own state to another state. The White House already have their own blue print for everythin' to prepare ahead if, ONE BIG " screw up " hits. We, the American people don't know anythin' about their plans and they don't want us to know what their plans are, because it will cause people to panic. They want to cover its lid and stay right there.....until the BIG ONE " screw up " takes over. When THAT happens, we are on our own without assistance.

The book I read gave me deep graphic and large picture to get the idea, so I will know what it really is, but that book don't give the real exact picture of what actual event will happen. But, it does give me some ideas. The other book is more intense to read... it's called " Red Alert." I read that book back in 1980's. I don't forget what that book was all about. Very intense book.