California Proposition Eight - Ban on Same-Sex Marriage - Page 15

jillio · 11-16-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

I have an old friend of mine who live in Washington state and he mentioned about " bestiality " that is legal in Washington state. So, now you stated about " a very gray area "...

No different in between white and black anymore just like white and red roses - Oh, just because they are called " roses " without seein' colors ?

Of course, we are livin' in the crazy world, but no body cares if the diseases/plaques spread because of what people are doin' were soo wrong ? If, people look at different in between white and red roses, they would show their care for them by givin' each the right one to stay healthy. If, not the right one - it will get sick and maybe, will die.

That's my whole perspective. Okay, suppose if, people like to do with bestiality thing, they will probably say the same thing what same sex partners are sayin', too. I mean, they all want the same " fair " and " right ".

I am wonderin' WHAT ELSE people want after same sex partners and " bestiality " people ( I hate to say the word " bestiality " gee, I don't know what other nice word for it )... oh, yes do KIDS want the same fair and right, too after adults ?

I've read some articles about same sex partners want lower age for kids to have sex.

And, also in foreign country, older men want girls at age 9 to have sex too because of their law allows older men to marry young girls at age 9. What's goin' on with this world nowadays ?

First of all, bestiality is not legal anywhere. Secondly, why is it that you continue to insist on comparing two human beings that love each other, are didicated to each other, and share their lives together to someone who seeks sexual gratification from animals? This is not the first time you have made such a reference. It is insulting and ignorant.

You could use a huge dose of multicultural education. You can't compare cultures that sanction underage marraige to the culture here. And, I might remind you, those underage marraiges in other countries are based on religious principle. You want to use your religious beliefs to support your views. You can't deny the same to others.

Exactly what disease/plague are you speaking of? You are insinuating that homosexuality spreads disease and plague. Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean. At least have the courage of your convictions.

**shel90** · 11-16-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

I have an old friend of mine who live in Washington state and he mentioned about " bestiality " that is legal in Washington state. So, now you stated about " a very gray area "...

No different in between white and black anymore just like white and red roses - Oh, just because they are called " roses " without seein' colors ?

Of course, we are livin' in the crazy world, but no body cares if the diseases/plaques spread because of what people are doin' were soo wrong ? If, people look at different in between white and red roses, they would show their care for them by givin' each the right one to stay healthy. If, not the right one - it will get sick and maybe, will die.

That's my whole perspective. Okay, suppose if, people like to do with bestiality thing, they will probably say the same thing what same sex partners are sayin', too. I mean, they all want the same " fair " and " right ".

I am wonderin' WHAT ELSE people want after same sex partners and " bestiality " people ( I hate to say the word " bestiality " gee, I don't know what other nice word for it )... oh, yes do KIDS want the same fair and right, too after adults ?

I've read some articles about same sex partners want lower age for kids to have sex.

And, also in foreign country, older men want girls at age 9 to have sex too because of their law allows older men to marry young girls at age 9. What's goin' on with this world nowadays ?

I dont understand what beastiality, the spreading of diseases, and underage sex have to do with giving gay/lesbain people the same rights that straight people have.

Unless u see same sex marriages as low as deastiality, child sex, and diseases?

**shel90** · 11-16-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

First of all, bestiality is not legal anywhere. Secondly, why is it that you continue to insist on comparing two human beings that love each other, are didicated to each other, and share their lives together to someone who seeks sexual gratification from animals? This is not the first time you have made such a reference. It is insulting and ignorant.

You could use a huge dose of multicultural education. You can't compare cultures that sanction underage marraige to the culture here. And, I might remind you, those underage marraiges in other countries are based on religious principle. You want to use your religious beliefs to support your views. You can't deny the same to others.

Exactly what disease/plague are you speaking of? You are insinuating that homosexuality spreads disease and plague. Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean. At least have the courage of your convictions.

Very ignorant, inheed. I felt insulted myself cuz these are people who are in love with each other and want to share their lives legally and to be compared with sickos who get off from animals is just unbelievable.

**Daredevel7** · 11-16-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

I have an old friend of mine who live in Washington state and he mentioned about " bestiality " that is legal in Washington state. So, now you stated about " a very gray area "...

No different in between white and black anymore just like white and red roses - Oh, just because they are called " roses " without seein' colors ?

Evidently,
1) You believe anything anyone tells you if it fits in your views.
2) You hate pink roses.

Of course, we are livin' in the crazy world, but no body cares if the diseases/plaques spread because of what people are doin' were soo wrong ? If, people look at different in between white and red roses, they would show their care for them by givin' each the right one to stay healthy. If, not the right one - it will get sick and maybe, will die.

It's pretty obvious what you are trying to say. In that case, all white/European people are "wrong" because they brought diseases to America that killed a lot of native Americans.

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jillio · 11-16-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

It's pretty obvious what you are trying to say. In that case, all white/European people are "wrong" because they brought diseases to America that killed a lot of native Americans.

True. Small pox and influenza come to mind.

netrox · 11-16-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

That's my whole perspective. Okay, suppose if, people like to do with bestiality thing, they will probably say the same thing what same sex partners are sayin', too. I mean, they all want the same " fair " and " right ".

Your perspective is so warped up.

Homosexuality and beastility are NOT the same thing, not remotely. Countless heterosexuals have performed beastlity as well and we never legalized it. Even just recently, a woman admitted that she enjoyed being fondled by her dog!

So with your incorrect logic, we should ban heterosexual marriage because it may lead to beastlity!

**Maria** · 11-16-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

This is a classic example of the reductio ad absurdum fallacy, it is calculated to create fear in the mind of anyone hearing the argument. It is, of course, absolutely without any merit based on experience. If the argument were true, wouldn't that have already happened in countries where forms of legalized gay marriage already exist? Wouldn't they have 'slid' towards legalized incest and bestial marriage? The reality is that a form of gay marriage has been legal in Scandinavian countries for over many years, and no such legalization has happened, nor has there been a clamor for it. It's a classic scare tactic - making the end scenario so scary and so horrible that the first step should never be taken. Such are the tactics of the fear and hatemongers.

If concern over the "slippery slope" were the real motive behind this argument, the advocate of this line of reasoning would be equally vocal about the fact that today, even as you read this, convicted murderers, child molesters, known pedophiles, drug pushers, pimps, black market arms dealers, etc., are quite free to marry, and are doing so. Where's the outrage? Of course there isn't any, and that lack of outrage betrays their real motives. This is an anti-gay issue and not a pro marriage issue.

Secondly "beastiality" is illegal in Washington state.

Thank you for your explanation. Care to provide a link to show me where there's a illegal ? I would like to read it, if you don't mind ?

BradB08 · 11-16-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

I have an old friend of mine who live in Washington state and he mentioned about " bestiality " that is legal in Washington state. So, now you stated about " a very gray area "...

No different in between white and black anymore just like white and red roses - Oh, just because they are called " roses " without seein' colors ?

Of course, we are livin' in the crazy world, but no body cares if the diseases/plaques spread because of what people are doin' were soo wrong ? If, people look at different in between white and red roses, they would show their care for them by givin' each the right one to stay healthy. If, not the right one - it will get sick and maybe, will die.

That's my whole perspective. Okay, suppose if, people like to do with bestiality thing, they will probably say the same thing what same sex partners are sayin', too. I mean, they all want the same " fair " and " right ".

I am wonderin' WHAT ELSE people want after same sex partners and " bestiality " people ( I hate to say the word " bestiality " gee, I don't know what other nice word for it )... oh, yes do KIDS want the same fair and right, too after adults ?

I've read some articles about same sex partners want lower age for kids to have sex.

And, also in foreign country, older men want girls at age 9 to have sex too because of their law allows older men to marry young girls at age 9. What's goin' on with this world nowadays ?

Seriously, give it up already. You know your argument is unfair and it doesn't even make sense and yet, you continue to make it. Why?

Byrdie already smacked down your argument better than I could.

Byrdie714 · 11-16-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

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Thank you for your explanation. Care to provide a link to show me where there's a illegal ? I would like to read it, if you don't mind ?

I live in Washington State.

You still want a link?

**Maria** · 11-16-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I live in Washington State.

You still want a link?

My dear friend, Byrdie, I know you live in Washington State, it's why I chose to post for you. About a link, please do if you have one.

As for other ADers who called me an ignorant, I will not respond to their posts.

**Daredevel7** · 11-16-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

My dear friend, Byrdie, I know you live in Washington State, it's why I chose to post for you. About a link, please do if you have one.

As for other ADers who called me an ignorant, I will not respond to their posts.

Now I understand where you got that information about bestiality being legal in Washington state. You must be referring to that man who died from hemorrhaging from sex with a horse. Bestiality is something that is not very common so people don't bother making laws for it or at least call it something else such as lewd acts, sodomy, animal cruelty, etc. See... we DO have morality in the US despite what you may think, we DO believe that having sex with animals is wrong. Unfortunately, in your eyes, sex with animals is the same thing as sex between same sex couples. No one bothered to do anything about the guy in Washington state because he died, and figured he was just one of the few messed up people.

But if you REALLY want a link:
RCW 16.52.205: Animal cruelty in the first degree.

Here is the gist of the link:

(3) A person is guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree when he or she:

(a) Knowingly engages in any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal;

(b) Knowingly causes, aids, or abets another person to engage in any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal;

(c) Knowingly permits any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal to be conducted on any premises under his or her charge or control;

(d) Knowingly engages in, organizes, promotes, conducts, advertises, aids, abets, participates in as an observer, or performs any service in the furtherance of an act involving any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal for a commercial or recreational purpose; or

(e) Knowingly photographs or films, for purposes of sexual gratification, a person engaged in a sexual act or sexual contact with an animal.

I cant believe I have to post links to prove that bestiality is illegal.... there's something wrong with this picture.

jillio · 11-16-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

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Thank you for your explanation. Care to provide a link to show me where there's a illegal ? I would like to read it, if you don't mind ?

Care to provide a link showing it is legal? You are the one that is obligated to support your claim.

jillio · 11-16-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Now I understand where you got that information about bestiality being legal in Washington state. You must be referring to that man who died from hemorrhaging from sex with a horse. Bestiality is something that is not very common so people don't bother making laws for it or at least call it something else such as lewd acts, sodomy, animal cruelty, etc. See... we DO have morality in the US despite what you may think, we DO believe that having sex with animals is wrong. Unfortunately, in your eyes, sex with animals is the same thing as sex between same sex couples. No one bothered to do anything about the guy in Washington state because he died, and figured he was just one of the few messed up people.

But if you REALLY want a link:
RCW 16.52.205: Animal cruelty in the first degree.

Here is the gist of the link:

(3) A person is guilty of animal cruelty in the first degree when he or she:

(a) Knowingly engages in any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal;

(b) Knowingly causes, aids, or abets another person to engage in any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal;

(c) Knowingly permits any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal to be conducted on any premises under his or her charge or control;

(d) Knowingly engages in, organizes, promotes, conducts, advertises, aids, abets, participates in as an observer, or performs any service in the furtherance of an act involving any sexual conduct or sexual contact with an animal for a commercial or recreational purpose; or

(e) Knowingly photographs or films, for purposes of sexual gratification, a person engaged in a sexual act or sexual contact with an animal.

I cant believe I have to post links to prove that bestiality is illegal.... there's something wrong with this picture.

Agreed. Not only is bestiality illegal, it is symptomatic of mental illness. How anyone can compare bestiality to homosexuality is beyond me.

It is nothing short of absurd.

Byrdie714 · 11-16-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

My dear friend, Byrdie, I know you live in Washington State, it's why I chose to post for you. About a link, please do if you have one.

As for other ADers who called me an ignorant, I will not respond to their posts.

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I cant believe I have to post links to prove that bestiality is illegal.... there's something wrong with this picture.

BTW it is legal in Florida and Alaska!

jillio · 11-16-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

BTW it is legal in Florida and Alaska!

**Daredevel7** · 11-16-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

BTW it is legal in Florida and Alaska!

Shit... I'm from Florida.....

Now come to think of it.. I think I did see someone having sex with a gator.

Just because it's "technically" legal doesn't mean there wouldn't be consequences. I mean, technically I can start having sex with trees, but at some point, I'm gonna get in trouble for unrelated reasons (incident exposure, lewd act, etc).

**shel90** · 11-16-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Shit... I'm from Florida.....

Now come to think of it.. I think I did see someone having sex with a gator.

Just because it's "technically" legal doesn't mean there wouldn't be consequences. I mean, technically I can start having sex with trees, but at some point, I'm gonna get in trouble for unrelated reasons (incident exposure, lewd act, etc).

A man got arrested for having sex with his bicycle and another for having sex with a picnic tables. There are threads here on AD about those two bizarre incidents.

BradB08 · 11-16-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

BTW it is legal in Florida and Alaska!

For Alaskans, that explains the infatuation with moose.

BradB08 · 11-16-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

A man got arrested for having sex with his bicycle and another for having sex with a picnic tables. There are threads here on AD about those two bizarre incidents.

I wonder if he got a splinter in his dick from ****ing the picnic table? Was he from Florida?

**shel90** · 11-16-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

I wonder if he got a splinter in his dick from ****ing the picnic table? Was he from Florida?

Macian · 11-16-2008, 05:25 PM

I think someone has misunderstood a comment by a gay person saying "that their partner was a animal in bed"

like you said, it's an absurd connection,I can't for the life of me work out how the point was meant to relate to the topic.

Macian · 11-16-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

For Alaskans, that explains the infatuation with moose.

yes but it's a bit damn chilly to whip it out

**shel90** · 11-16-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Macian

yes but it's a bit damn chilly to whip it out

Too hilarous for words!

sunflowergirl78 · 11-16-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

For Alaskans, that explains the infatuation with moose.

hahaha....that explains so much about Palin!!

**Daredevel7** · 11-16-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sunflowergirl78

hahaha....that explains so much about Palin!!

You betcha! First, you gotta hunt 'em down! Some of those antlers look mighty good for some lovin'!

**shel90** · 11-16-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

You betcha! First, you gotta hunt 'em down! Some of those antlers look mighty good for some lovin'!

I heard that they can keep one very very warm in bed.

sunflowergirl78 · 11-16-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

You betcha! First, you gotta hunt 'em down! Some of those antlers look mighty good for some lovin'!

Well thank goodness she has that helicoptor!!!

Hwy99 · 11-16-2008, 07:16 PM

Oh my...

And the rest,

lsfoster · 11-17-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Maria

I have an old friend of mine who live in Washington state and he mentioned about " bestiality " that is legal in Washington state. So, now you stated about " a very gray area "...

No different in between white and black anymore just like white and red roses - Oh, just because they are called " roses " without seein' colors ?

Of course, we are livin' in the crazy world, but no body cares if the diseases/plaques spread because of what people are doin' were soo wrong ? If, people look at different in between white and red roses, they would show their care for them by givin' each the right one to stay healthy. If, not the right one - it will get sick and maybe, will die.

That's my whole perspective. Okay, suppose if, people like to do with bestiality thing, they will probably say the same thing what same sex partners are sayin', too. I mean, they all want the same " fair " and " right ".

I am wonderin' WHAT ELSE people want after same sex partners and " bestiality " people ( I hate to say the word " bestiality " gee, I don't know what other nice word for it )... oh, yes do KIDS want the same fair and right, too after adults ?

I've read some articles about same sex partners want lower age for kids to have sex.

And, also in foreign country, older men want girls at age 9 to have sex too because of their law allows older men to marry young girls at age 9. What's goin' on with this world nowadays ?

I kind of thought we'd been over this already, but this argument makes no sense. The same laws that currently protect children or mentally incapacitated people would protect animals in this situation. If you really don't know this, I would just glance over this page. It has a nice clear explanation of how the "capacity" to consent to a marriage works.

Marriage Requirements Basics: Consent, Age, and Capacity - Divorce & Family Law Center

Not only is this just a huge fallacy, but there's something else that's bothered me as well. Your point seems to be that if you allow same-sex marriages, then people will want to marry their animals. Here's my other big problem with this argument. To be perfectly honest, I'm pretty sure that most bestiality is "hetero", meaning that although people are having sex with animals, they are having sex with the opposite "gender" animal. Therefore, shouldn't we be way more worried about the fact that straight people can already get married? I mean, clearly if marriage is promoting a "male" and "female" relationship, then marriage as you're defining it is much more permissive of bestiality than the definition we're proposing of two loving, commited, consenting people.

Just a thought.

**Maria** · 11-17-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Care to provide a link showing it is legal? You are the one that is obligated to support your claim.

I am not goin' to provide you a link since you don't read my post very clear. Go back and re-read my post # 419.

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