Sarah Palin Whines!!! - Page 2

Hear Again · 11-02-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

No problem. Glad to be of service. By the way, did you get the joke?

Yes I did.

Secretblend · 11-02-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Yes I did.

Okay. I wasn't sure if you did or not.

Anyways, back on topic.

Reba · 11-02-2008, 03:40 AM

Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin on Animal Issues

MCCAIN
“McCain co-sponsored new legislation to stop horse slaughter, backed a bill to stop the shipment of live birds between states for the only purpose of cockfighting, supported a bill to stop the killing of bears by ending trade in their gall bladders and other viscera and organs.

“Senator McCain also took a position against the fur industry, by voting to eliminate a $2 million subsidy for the mink industry. And he voted against allowing drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, saving the thousands of animals who lived there.

“He earned scores of up to 75 percent on the Humane Scorecard”

OBAMA
“Obama added that he sponsored a bill to prevent horse slaughter in the Illinois state Senate and had been repeatedly endorsed by the Humane Society. ‘I think how we treat our animals reflects how we treat each other,’ he said. ‘And it’s very important that we have a president who is mindful of the cruelty that is perpetrated on animals.’”

“... He has co-sponsored new legislation to stop horse slaughter and export of horses for human consumption, to upgrade federal penalties for dogfighting and cockfighting, to ban possession of fighting dogs and being a spectator at a dogfight. He also signed a letter requesting increased funds for enforcement of the Animal Welfare Act, Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, and federal animal fighting law. Sent letter to National Zoo expressing concern for the care of Toni the elephant."

deafironchef · 11-02-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Palin has an Alaskan snowball's chance in h*** of being elected Vice-President. Thank goodness for that.

DON't ever you DARE !!!! She live in alaskan THERFORE SHE PAID LINCSE TO KILL FEW MOSSE to less CAR ACCINDENIT AND LESS HURT OTHER PEOPLE AND SMAE WITH WOLVES TOO SO YOU NEED TO THINKKKKKKKKKKKKKK TWICE !!!

OH BY THE WAY FRIEND OF MY GOT BRAIN TRUMA AND SHE GOT TO CHANGE HER LIFE BY HIT ANGER MOOSE WHICH SHE WAS DRIVING VERY SLOW BECAUSE BABY MOOSE WAS NEAR MOTHER MOOSE !!!

Liebling:-))) · 11-02-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

Hey Dreama, how about that moose killing, moose eating, wolf shooter?

You still on her side?

I don't support the killing of moose or wolves. Period.

And add to your post...

Bear and cubs, wolves pups as well.

Liebling:-))) · 11-02-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Palin complaining, err, I mean whining about the media attacking her is hypocritical given how much she has attacked Obama. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you can't take the heat Sarah, get out of the kitchen. After all, we need a strong, self-confident Vice-President (or President if G*d forbid something happens to McCain) -- not a whiner.

*nodding agreement*

Liebling:-))) · 11-02-2008, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

If Palin can't take criticism, perhaps she shouldn't be running for political office. Criticism is a normal, everyday part of politics.

Palin sounds like a 7 year old on the school playground who pouts: "But she started it!"

As what she said that she fears by "attacks" then her career as VP is not right for her.

Liebling:-))) · 11-02-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sablescort

Great point netrox. a vegan wouldn't even touch Miss Mooselini with a goddam 50 foot pole!

I cant even believe a vegan would support someone who kills animals.

Abortion issues is the mainly reason, Dreama support Palin.

***sablescort*** · 11-02-2008, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Abortion issues is the mainly reason, Dreama support Palin.

Yeah..I noticed that. I dont even want to think about abortion cause its too much a hot-potato issue. It's too complicated for me to even comprehend it.

Hear Again · 11-02-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by deafironchef

DON't ever you DARE !!!! She live in alaskan THERFORE SHE PAID LINCSE TO KILL FEW MOSSE to less CAR ACCINDENIT AND LESS HURT OTHER PEOPLE AND SMAE WITH WOLVES TOO SO YOU NEED TO THINKKKKKKKKKKKKKK TWICE !!!

OH BY THE WAY FRIEND OF MY GOT BRAIN TRUMA AND SHE GOT TO CHANGE HER LIFE BY HIT ANGER MOOSE WHICH SHE WAS DRIVING VERY SLOW BECAUSE BABY MOOSE WAS NEAR MOTHER MOOSE !!!

First of all, there's no need to shout at me. Please turn your caps lock off.

Second, I don't care if Palin has a license to kill moose and wolves. It's wrong. Period.

I'm very sorry about your friend who has a brain injury, but that still doesn't change my mind about Palin.

jillio · 11-02-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Personally, I support animal based research because of my mother. After all, without animal research, how can we find cures for terminal illnesses like cancer? We obviously can't experiment on humans because of liability, so how else do you propose that we conduct the research?

And as for the last sentence in your post, that is purely speculation, nothing more.

Exactly. Those who oppose animal research have yet tocome up with a viable alternative. Is it more humane to experiment on people, or to allow people to die because we have not experiemented with treatments at all?

BradB08 · 11-02-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Exactly. Those who oppose animal research have yet tocome up with a viable alternative. Is it more humane to experiment on people, or to allow people to die because we have not experiemented with treatments at all?

I personally dislike the idea that animals are experimented upon and I am hoping that an alternative will be found someday that doesn't involve spraying perfume into the eyes of innocent animals, many of which we would call our companions if we could.

jillio · 11-02-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

I personally dislike the idea that animals are experimented upon and I am hoping that an alternative will be found someday that doesn't involve spraying perfume into the eyes of innocent animals, many of which we would call our companions if we could.

Testing cosmetics and testing medical treatments are 2 different situations.

dreama · 11-02-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Testing cosmetics and testing medical treatments are 2 different situations.

Not to me they aren't. Testing drugs on animals only means testing drugs on humans later on. Their are lots of more up to date methods.

We need humanity in research. Otherwise what's to stop them testing on humans too.

Daredevel7 · 11-02-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dreama

Not to me they aren't. Testing drugs on animals only means testing drugs on humans later on. Their are lots of more up to date methods.

We need humanity in research. Otherwise what's to stop them testing on humans too.

Oh I see. You don't want ANY testing at all? Human nor animal? Is this what you're saying?

You're saying you want research to be limited to only number crunching and computer simulations? Just trying to clarify.

moonflower · 11-02-2008, 07:07 PM

that picture it is not moose i know what moose look like they have large thick alters it might look like a ELK as the alters are little thin but large too.

BTW i support NO ONE period no mccain/palin or obama/biden

dreama · 11-02-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Oh I see. You don't want ANY testing at all? Human nor animal? Is this what you're saying?

You're saying you want research to be limited to only number crunching and computer simulations? Just trying to clarify.

Adult stem cells from Volunteers ok or from abigol cord of live babies. Computer based modelling ok, observing cases ok. So it's just animal, embroyotic or animal/human hybrid research that I don't like. It does leave a lot of other options. Besides which humans and animals are differant. What works with a human doesn't always work with another species and visa versa. So we have to test on humans eventually anyway. Sometimes this has very bad results.

Macain says that he wants ethnics in research although he's refering to not testing on live embroyo's I think. I read this on his website. I don't really know his views on animal based research as he doesn't give it a mention.

Jiro · 11-02-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dreama

Adult stem cells from Volunteers ok or from abigol cord of live babies. Computer based modelling ok, observing cases ok. So it's just animal, embroyotic or animal/human hybrid research that I don't like. It does leave a lot of other options. Besides which humans and animals are differant. What works with a human doesn't always work with another species and visa versa. So we have to test on humans eventually anyway. Sometimes this has very bad results.

Macain says that he wants ethnics in research although he's refering to not testing on live embroyo's I think. I read this on his website. I don't really know his views on animal based research as he doesn't give it a mention.

just so you understand - computer-based modeling is based on data collected from real-life testing. Even a world super-genius person cannot even figure out how to create a computer simulation without any data.

So basically - if you support computer-based modeling, you are indirectly supporting live testing.

Hear Again · 11-02-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by moonflower

BTW i support NO ONE period no mccain/palin or obama/biden

So does that mean you're not going to vote or will vote 3rd party moonflower?

Daredevel7 · 11-02-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

just so you understand - computer-based modeling is based on data collected from real-life testing. Even a world super-genius person cannot even figure out how to create a computer simulation without any data.

So basically - if you support computer-based modeling, you are indirectly supporting live testing.

Bingo.

jillio · 11-03-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dreama

Not to me they aren't. Testing drugs on animals only means testing drugs on humans later on. Their are lots of more up to date methods.

We need humanity in research. Otherwise what's to stop them testing on humans too.

What exactly would those methods be, dreama? To date, I know of no methods of medical research that does not require live testing. And cosmetics do not save lives. Medications do. Yes, we do need humanity in research. That is why we test on animals and not on people.

jillio · 11-03-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Oh I see. You don't want ANY testing at all? Human nor animal? Is this what you're saying?

You're saying you want research to be limited to only number crunching and computer simulations? Just trying to clarify.

Dangerous proposition, isn't it?

jillio · 11-03-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

just so you understand - computer-based modeling is based on data collected from real-life testing. Even a world super-genius person cannot even figure out how to create a computer simulation without any data.

So basically - if you support computer-based modeling, you are indirectly supporting live testing.

There it is! Live testing is necessary to design the simulation.

Jiro · 11-03-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dreama

We need humanity in research. Otherwise what's to stop them testing on humans too.

uh... we do have humanity in research. that's why we have a stringent ethic standard... even for animals. something that you don't see in most of countries. That's what stopping us from testing on humans like what Nazi did. Beside... we do test it on humans.... in a very safe, ethical way. Do you want us to be like Nazi?

We first test it on animals... if proven safe... then it's proceeded to clinical trials on humans.... then it's ready to sell.

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Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,537	Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin on Animal Issues MCCAIN “McCain co-sponsored new legislation to stop horse slaughter, backed a bill to stop the shipment of live birds between states for the only purpose of cockfighting, supported a bill to stop the killing of bears by ending trade in their gall bladders and other viscera and organs. “Senator McCain also took a position against the fur industry, by voting to eliminate a $2 million subsidy for the mink industry. And he voted against allowing drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, saving the thousands of animals who lived there. “He earned scores of up to 75 percent on the Humane Scorecard” OBAMA “Obama added that he sponsored a bill to prevent horse slaughter in the Illinois state Senate and had been repeatedly endorsed by the Humane Society. ‘I think how we treat our animals reflects how we treat each other,’ he said. ‘And it’s very important that we have a president who is mindful of the cruelty that is perpetrated on animals.’” “... He has co-sponsored new legislation to stop horse slaughter and export of horses for human consumption, to upgrade federal penalties for dogfighting and cockfighting, to ban possession of fighting dogs and being a spectator at a dogfight. He also signed a letter requesting increased funds for enforcement of the Animal Welfare Act, Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, and federal animal fighting law. Sent letter to National Zoo expressing concern for the care of Toni the elephant."

11-02-2008, 07:07 PM	#46 (permalink)
moonflower winter is on the way jeez Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Washtenaw County, Michigan Posts: 5,741	that picture it is not moose i know what moose look like they have large thick alters it might look like a ELK as the alters are little thin but large too. BTW i support NO ONE period no mccain/palin or obama/biden