Born in the USA? - Page 11

**Foxrac** · 11-01-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunshinelady

yes, because one rumors about Obama, he has birth-certificate from Hawaii, so they all PPL know Obama's sister was first birth in Africa. that is why, Obama was birth in Africa or not?!?

No, Obama is born in Hawaii, it's official and judge has dismissed.

Endy · 11-01-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

All the signs and warnings were there. People just ignored them until it was too late.

I wish you were right. However, we've seen that impeachment of a President is not easy.

He was a skilled orator, loved children and animals, was a tea-totaler and vegetarian. Sounds peaceful and good, huh?

Still doesn't ring a bell?

Are you still obsessed targetting Obama with all the signs and warnings? Where? When? How? Why? I request Reba to provide the evidences and resources to associate with your claims.

Yes, Impeaching is an easy task. US Citizens have the power, mind ya. If Senators and House Representatives value the constitituents' votes, they can worry about their removal from seats for not meeting constitutents' expectation. Elected representatives value their votes, they have to keep their promises, will do what constituents ask, and the elected representatives hold the seat as long as everybody is pleased. Citizens have voices, too. Thanks to the State Constitution. We can remove anyone from the seat for not meeting our demands. We will replace new one to do what we wanted. They will have to face the hardest part is to vote for an impreachment. UK and US Constitution is different. And We do have state constitutions, too. We put them to the seats, we control them. They please us! If not, they can start looking for new jobs.

Easy!! Why? We do have Right-wingers, Republicans, Evangelists, Veterans, Military personnel, US civilians, Patriotic citizens on the side. They can win people in 48 hours. Easy, thanks to the Internet Technology. Video sites, Emails, blogs, Radio Technology and cool technology can kindle a wildfire nationwide. They will scream as loud as God's voice enough to shake the world! They can create a new fear. They will do anything to protect their own country from Tyrannical leader. Is it easy and simply? Beautiful, is it?

Please read the US Federalist Papers, #10 and #51. They made clear that states have powers, so are the constituents. Many people failed to read or grasp the Federalist Papers (85 articles) why the founding fathers intended to create and layout the US Constitution for the people in the first place to protect ourselves from TYRANNY. Protected from.. you know who! UK and the tyranny in 1760's. Hitler was very tyrannical leader and He was not in the United States, mind ya! Therefore, Obama will not be one of the tyrannical leaders. He will be prevented from doing it because of United States Constitution. He will NOT!! He will be facing the impeachment, No question! Joe Biden will not allow him. So is the Congress (Legislative) and the Supreme Courts. So, are the State Governors. So, are the US Constituents. This will not happen, period!

Oh, you want a lousy leader for the United States? you want a worst leader to lead the United States with a lousy orator's skills? Do we want to give a presidency to an idiot? Reagan has a great skill being an Orator. F.D. Roosevelt was an amazing orator. They led our country well. We need a leader to deal with the world issues. Who is the idiot to lead the United States with a lousy orator? Please clarify this yourself. Of course, someone needs a strong skill being an Orator? This is getting ridiculous on this Orator part.

I am not convinced that you keep linking Obama and Hitler because they are simply great orators.

Sunshinelady · 11-01-2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, Obama is born in Hawaii, it's official and judge has dismissed.

slow down, OKAY!!!
My mom in law got heard from stereo "news". that is why, one want proof a birth certificate from Obama. I do understand.

Endy · 11-01-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

:scratch: I thought you know my POV over Hitler in debated several threads in the past?

I am catching up with this thread posts. One says this, another says that, I am getting confused with quoting others' comments with their responses. Who said this, who said that?

I am all cool with you. I am catching up with your posts and others' posts.

By the way, you are forgiven on the jewish remarks. I can move on to next chapter. We are cool, I hope you do!

Endy · 11-01-2008, 04:32 PM

I am STILL not convinced with Reba's comments on Obama and Hilter. Enough with putting negativity upon Obama because he is simply a GREAT Orator. Guys keep linking Obama with Hilter because of early signs and warnings. This is getting ridiculous.

Okay, let's play the "what-if" game. What would Obama do next as a new president? Leading the wars in Middle East. Possibly, starting a genocide, probably eugenics in the United States. Who will be the victims?

Remember: US Constitution, every (50) state constitutions, Federal Discrimination Policy, women's rights; civil rights and protection; disability rights/protections; religion rights and protections; and the GLBT rights and protections, homeless people' rights and protection, and more rights and protections for every one as a US Citizen.

Who would be the new victims under Obama's presidency? Let's see what you can prove your links to Obama with Hilter.

For someone linked eugenics to Alexander G. Bell. Come on, we are in 2008, going 2009... right now and we are not in 1940s. In this new century, we have disability rights and protections. Let's focus on CURRENT events prior to the new presidency coming up in January.

Whoever commented the Christianity and eugenics, I did expressing my "what-ifs" linking to that because someone is obsessed accusing Obama would be second Hilter. I pointed out what-ifs linking to McCain's possibility. The reason I said this because I am religious persecuted by my friends who are Southern Baptists. I thought Christians are taught to not judge, to forgive one's sin according to Jesus's teaching, to love your brother and sister, even an enemy. They are obsessive criticizing people, accusing sinners for destroying family's values, disrespecting American's traditions, degrading the American History, and so on. I want them to taste my cup of medicine for treating me like this one. What-if McCain won, he could change the country back into the biblical age, Christians will be celebrating victory and start new organization, "witch hunters" to weed out non-christians. Can Christians do that? Can McCain do that? If not, then Obama cannot do that. Do you see the difference when one accuses Obama? Did anyone make a remark on McCain? I created new one for McCain since one accusing Obama. See what I am trying to say?

Can we quit comparing Obama with Hilter? I can drop the accusation against McCain. Let's go back to the current events with this thread's topic!

Hear Again · 11-01-2008, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endy

I am STILL not convinced with Reba's comments on Obama and Hilter. Enough with putting negativity upon Obama because he is simply a GREAT Orator. Guys keep linking Obama with Hilter because of early signs and warnings. This is getting ridiculous.

Okay, let's play the "what-if" game. What would Obama do next as a new president? Leading the wars in Middle East. Possibly, starting a genocide, probably eugenics in the United States. Who will be the victims?

Remember: US Constitution, every (50) state constitutions, women's rights, civil rights and protection, protections, disability rights/protections; religion rights/protections, and the GLBT rights and protections.

Who would be the new victims under Obama's presidency? Let's see what you can prove your links to Obama with Hilter.

For someone linked eugenics to Alexander G. Bell. Come on, we are in 2008 right now and we are not in 1940s. In this new century, we have disability rights and protections. Let's focus on CURRENT events prior to the new presidency coming up in January.

Whoever commented the Christianity and eugenics, I did expressing my "what-ifs" linking to that since someone accusing Obama would be second Hilter. I pointed out what-ifs linking to McCain's possibility. The reason I said this because I am religious persecuted by my friends who are Southern Baptists. I thought Christians are taught to not judge, to forgive one's sin according to Jesus's teaching, to love your brother and sister, even an enemy. They are obsessive criticizing people, accusing sinners for destroying family's values, disrespecting American's traditions, degrading the American History, and so on. I want them to taste my cup of medicine for treating me like this one. What-if McCain won, he could change the country back into the biblical age, Christians will be celebrating victory and start new organization, "witch hunters" to weed out non-christians. Can Christians do that? Can McCain do that? If not, then Obama cannot do that. Do you see the difference when one accuses Obama? Did anyone make a remark on McCain? I created new one for McCain since one accusing Obama. See what I am trying to say?

Excellent post, Endy!

Wokamuka · 11-01-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

The fact is: subject over Hitler has nothing do with this thread here that´s because I expressed my POV alone without debate with anyone until you quoted my post.....

Wrong again. Hitler had everything to do with the subject of this thread.

Endy · 11-01-2008, 05:07 PM

You guys picked on my country. My turn!

I wish I could pick Six nations in this post. I will pick this one for an example. ENGLAND! British Prime Ministers... Wow, Great Orators. It's difficulty and it takes some time to convince House of Commons and House of Lords upon many businesses.

Gordon Brown! John Major! Tony Blair! Margaret Thatcher! They are the Champions of being Orators. Can we accuse them and link them to Hilter for being a great Orator? I didn't see any eugenic, genocide in the Great Britian on Blair's term, Thatcher's term, or Brown's term?

They are awesome Orators and its very hard to convince the House of Lords and House of Commons to change the constitution or start a new revolution with eugenics and genocides in the Great Britian. It's very interesting how you made a remark on Obama with Hilter.

What is more, if it happens... We will call our friends of the nations, United Nations, especially Amnesty International and other largest international organizations for Humanity to help us to stop Obama. Lucky us!

Endy · 11-01-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

Wrong again. Hitler had everything to do with the subject of this thread.

Let's quit picking on Liebling. She offered her apology and she wanted to move on. I forgive her.

I thought Christians are easily forgiving one's human errs. If so, let's move on.

Wokamuka · 11-01-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Endy

Let's quit picking on Liebling. She offered her apology and she wanted to move on. I forgive her.

I thought Christians are easily forgiving one's human errs. If so, let's move on.

I'm not picking on her. I am engaging her in a debate. What does an intellectual debate have to do with Christianity? Are you trying to doom this discussion into the religious forum?

Endy · 11-01-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

I'm not picking on her. I am engaging her in a debate. What does an intellectual debate have to do with Christianity? Are you trying to doom this discussion into the religious forum?

I hope not!

Someone took the religion subject upon me regarding a power of forgiveness. I used this as an example that we forgive one's err and move on to cool this forum off with some humors.

**Foxrac** · 11-01-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunshinelady

slow down, OKAY!!!
My mom in law got heard from stereo "news". that is why, one want proof a birth certificate from Obama. I do understand.

How? I'm not in emotion.

Please don't assume if I'm in emotion or not, there's no caps in word and I'm not upset over your comment.

**KarissaMann05** · 11-01-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

I'm not picking on her. I am engaging her in a debate. What does an intellectual debate have to do with Christianity? Are you trying to doom this discussion into the religious forum?

Thank you.

Endy, it's doing nothing with those religions. Besides, AllDeaf don't allow discuss/debate about religions.

Wokamuka · 11-01-2008, 05:38 PM

Obama was born in a state . . . Obama co-introduced legislation to allow McCain to, legally, run for President. Need I say more?

**Jiro** · 11-01-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Endy

Let's quit picking on Liebling. She offered her apology and she wanted to move on. I forgive her.

I thought Christians are easily forgiving one's human errs. If so, let's move on.

do you have something against Christians or something? Several of your posts implies you're anti-Christian. Mind you - America is not mostly Christian. There are Catholics & Protestants too.

Endy · 11-01-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

What does an intellectual debate have to do with Christianity?

Thus, Would this intellectual debate have to do with Obama and Hilter? It'd be a major accusation. Do we call this intellectual debate? There is NO proof. There is NO evidence. There is NO link provided to support's one claim. I am not sure whether it is really "intellectual" debate based on fallacious accusations without providing resources to support the claims.

Of course, there are Obama supporters defending their Presidential candidate. Voting against someone based fallacious accusation is !@#$%^&* ridiculous.

I thought we are educating the truth to understand persons and things better. Did we?

Endy · 11-01-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

do you have something against Christians or something? Several of your posts implies you're anti-Christian. Mind you - America is not mostly Christian. There are Catholics & Protestants too.

I guess nobody gets the hint that I am playing as a Devil's Advocate. By the way, I am christian. I am making some points about accusing someone wrongly.

**Jiro** · 11-01-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Endy

I guess nobody gets the hint that I am playing as a Devil's Advocate. By the way, I am christian. I am making some points about accusing someone wrongly.

lousy job

Sunshinelady · 11-01-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

How? I'm not in emotion.

Please don't assume if I'm in emotion or not, there's no caps in word and I'm not upset over your comment.

i don't know, how are you strange react? emotion, nervous or something. But i am talking with Reba. She does want get to know, why need proof from Obama birth-certificate!!? i tried to explain her. You said NO, Obama is born in Hawaii. that is why, I am saying "slow down"

Endy · 11-01-2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

lousy job

Whatever you say.

Once someone accuse something, Obama supporters reacted!

Now, I mentioned a dirty word, a group reacted. It's the instinction that is inside everyone when someone accuses one on a fallacious information.

See what I am saying? Okay I used an bad example but someone did protest, stood up, defended, just like you did. Now you pointed out what that has to do with this forum.

As an Obama Supporter, I have the right to end the fallicious statement on the comparison with Obama to Hilter. I pointed out what this has to do with Obama and Hilter.

**Jiro** · 11-01-2008, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endy

Whatever you say.

Once someone accuse something, Obama supporters reacted!

Now, I mentioned a dirty word, a group reacted. It's the instinction that is inside everyone when someone accuses one on a fallacious information.

See what I am saying? Okay I used an bad example but someone did protest, stood up, defended, just like you did. Now you pointed out what that has to do with this forum.

As an Obama Supporter, I have the right to end the fallicious statement on the comparison with Obama to Hilter. I pointed out what this has to do with Obama and Hilter.

thanks for a little pysch lesson but no thanks. it's called "no shit"

**Maria** · 11-01-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Doesn't matter as he is a desecendent of those that perished.

Thanks, Byrdie. Very thoughtful of you to respect.

**Maria** · 11-01-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Did you know what you are saying is very offensive and insult for accuse me as a racist that´s because I gave Hear Again right and shared Hitler´s history why he do that to Jewish and kind of race people?

Oh, are you sayin' that I am very offensive and insult for accusin' you as racist ? You don't get it, Lieblin'. My bf's ancestors are in lineage from those who died - Hitler killed my bf's ancestors. If, my bf read what you said in the first place about Jewish fiddlin' with money, HOW DO YOU THINK HE WILL FEEL since HE IS A JEWISH ? You would insult him for sayin' that and THAT'S very offensive to him.

Let me tell you somethin' that you don't know my boyfriend that I LOVE HIM TO DEATH for WHAT HE HAVE DONE TO FLORIDANS durin' in Hurricane 2003 or 2004. He fed about 530 people A DAY for 5 DAYS. That's about almost
to 2, 700 people all together and yet you called a Jewish person a fiddlin' with money ? That was uncalled for.

And, oh another thing I want to say that I've neeever said a word to offend your own husband's race no matter what if he is a German or any other race that you are married to. Please, respect Jewish people. Okay ?

It has nothing do with your boyfriend because he was not born at Hitler time.

Ohh yes it does. His descensants/ancestors came from them, the ones Hilter killed. They are my boyfriend's relatives, cousins, aunts, uncles and so forth. Please, don't you ever say that about Jewish fiddlin' with money - that is very rude of you to SAY that.

Wokamuka · 11-01-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Endy

Thus, Would this intellectual debate have to do with Obama and Hilter? It'd be a major accusation. Do we call this intellectual debate? There is NO proof. There is NO evidence. There is NO link provided to support's one claim. I am not sure whether it is really "intellectual" debate based on fallacious accusations without providing resources to support the claims.

The issue of the thread is a person who can run for presidency with the requirement of being a "natural-born" citizen of the country.

My case in point was Hitler being born in Austria and being "president" of Germany.

I can assure you that Adolphus Hitler was born in Austria. I need no links because I'd thought (foolishly - apparently) that it was common knowledge.

Fallicious accusations in an intelligent debate. I grant you that. I was focusing on track record. A person, continuously, hammering away at one approach/method. It gets tiresome and the conclusion can only be found based upon repeated attempts (a pattern, some call it).

You're trying to deflect? Are you, really, Liebling?

Endy · 11-01-2008, 06:34 PM

Request to close this thread. This is major constant of wrong accusation on Obama.

Nobody has not attacked McCain within few days. I see minor threads of showing constant of attacking McCain. Is this necessarily constantly attacking Obama based on fallacious information upon coming elections. This affects the voters to vote against someone with wrong accusation.

Otherwise, I ask this to close.
Anyone with me to have the MOD to close this thread.

Hear Again · 11-01-2008, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endy

Anyone with me to have the MOD to close this thread.

I second your request.

Wokamuka · 11-01-2008, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endy

Request to close this thread. This is major constant of wrong accusation on Obama.

Nobody has not attacked McCain within few days. I see minor threads of showing constant of attacking McCain. Is this necessarily constantly attacking Obama based on fallacious information upon coming elections. This affects the voters to vote against someone with wrong accusation.

Otherwise, I ask this to close.
Anyone with me to have the MOD to close this thread.

The topic of this thread has nothing to do with McCain nor Obama (as, both, have been cleared by the trusty judicial system).

**Maria** · 11-01-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Hitler killed over 6 million Jews in the Holocaust.

*noddin'* That's pretty alot.

Endy · 11-01-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokamuka

The topic of this thread has nothing to do with McCain nor Obama (as, both, have been cleared by the trusty judicial system).

I am with you, Wokamuka. However, this is getting deeper and its getting intense on wrong accusation that upsets most Obama Supporters. It's getting constant on attacking Obama MORE than we did with McCain. Nobody ends the fallacious information and wrong accusation.

Therefore, I am requesting to have MOD to close this thread.

**Maria** · 11-01-2008, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endy

I am with you, Wokamuka. However, this is getting deeper and its getting intense on wrong accusation that upsets most Obama Supporters. It's getting constant on attacking Obama MORE than we did with McCain. Nobody ends the fallacious information and wrong accusation.

Therefore, I am requesting to have MOD to close this thread.

FYI, it was not your thread to request. It is Shel's thread and it is her decision to request.

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11-01-2008, 04:32 PM	#305 (permalink)
Endy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 239	I am STILL not convinced with Reba's comments on Obama and Hilter. Enough with putting negativity upon Obama because he is simply a GREAT Orator. Guys keep linking Obama with Hilter because of early signs and warnings. This is getting ridiculous. Okay, let's play the "what-if" game. What would Obama do next as a new president? Leading the wars in Middle East. Possibly, starting a genocide, probably eugenics in the United States. Who will be the victims? Remember: US Constitution, every (50) state constitutions, Federal Discrimination Policy, women's rights; civil rights and protection; disability rights/protections; religion rights and protections; and the GLBT rights and protections, homeless people' rights and protection, and more rights and protections for every one as a US Citizen. Who would be the new victims under Obama's presidency? Let's see what you can prove your links to Obama with Hilter. For someone linked eugenics to Alexander G. Bell. Come on, we are in 2008, going 2009... right now and we are not in 1940s. In this new century, we have disability rights and protections. Let's focus on CURRENT events prior to the new presidency coming up in January. Whoever commented the Christianity and eugenics, I did expressing my "what-ifs" linking to that because someone is obsessed accusing Obama would be second Hilter. I pointed out what-ifs linking to McCain's possibility. The reason I said this because I am religious persecuted by my friends who are Southern Baptists. I thought Christians are taught to not judge, to forgive one's sin according to Jesus's teaching, to love your brother and sister, even an enemy. They are obsessive criticizing people, accusing sinners for destroying family's values, disrespecting American's traditions, degrading the American History, and so on. I want them to taste my cup of medicine for treating me like this one. What-if McCain won, he could change the country back into the biblical age, Christians will be celebrating victory and start new organization, "witch hunters" to weed out non-christians. Can Christians do that? Can McCain do that? If not, then Obama cannot do that. Do you see the difference when one accuses Obama? Did anyone make a remark on McCain? I created new one for McCain since one accusing Obama. See what I am trying to say? Can we quit comparing Obama with Hilter? I can drop the accusation against McCain. Let's go back to the current events with this thread's topic!

11-01-2008, 05:07 PM	#308 (permalink)
Endy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 239	You guys picked on my country. My turn! I wish I could pick Six nations in this post. I will pick this one for an example. ENGLAND! British Prime Ministers... Wow, Great Orators. It's difficulty and it takes some time to convince House of Commons and House of Lords upon many businesses. Gordon Brown! John Major! Tony Blair! Margaret Thatcher! They are the Champions of being Orators. Can we accuse them and link them to Hilter for being a great Orator? I didn't see any eugenic, genocide in the Great Britian on Blair's term, Thatcher's term, or Brown's term? They are awesome Orators and its very hard to convince the House of Lords and House of Commons to change the constitution or start a new revolution with eugenics and genocides in the Great Britian. It's very interesting how you made a remark on Obama with Hilter. What is more, if it happens... We will call our friends of the nations, United Nations, especially Amnesty International and other largest international organizations for Humanity to help us to stop Obama. Lucky us!

11-01-2008, 06:34 PM	#325 (permalink)
Endy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 239	Request to close this thread. This is major constant of wrong accusation on Obama. Nobody has not attacked McCain within few days. I see minor threads of showing constant of attacking McCain. Is this necessarily constantly attacking Obama based on fallacious information upon coming elections. This affects the voters to vote against someone with wrong accusation. Otherwise, I ask this to close. Anyone with me to have the MOD to close this thread.