Obama made an illegal

Pinky · 10-24-2008, 08:50 PM

Newsmax.com – Obama’s Plan for Illegal Driver’s Licenses Attacked

Obama Campaign contributed 800 Thousand Dollars to ACORN, Caught!

Miami - Riptide 2.0 - Open Forum: President Obama, friend of illegal aliens, not of fellow blacks.

http://www.intellectualconservative....-to-socialism/

Hear Again · 10-24-2008, 09:17 PM

>>Miami - Riptide 2.0 - Open Forum: President Obama, friend of illegal aliens, not of fellow blacks.<<

Pinky,

I think you need to read Obama's plan regarding civil rights:

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/civil_rights/

and plan regarding immigration:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Immigration

Foxrac · 10-24-2008, 09:49 PM

It's sounds like bias.

ACORN is organization that are not purposefully committing or condoning fraud, according from my hearing friend.

I know him in my state and he ain't way like that.

madison069 · 10-24-2008, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hear Again

>>Miami - Riptide 2.0 - Open Forum: President Obama, friend of illegal aliens, not of fellow blacks.<<

Pinky,

I think you need to read Obama's plan regarding civil rights:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Civil Rights

and plan regarding immigration:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Immigration

Action and what's being said now is different things.

I just know what he has done in the pass by his voting history.

Pinky · 10-24-2008, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

It's sounds like bias.

ACORN is organization that are not purposefully committing or condoning fraud, according from my hearing friend.

I know him in my state and he ain't way like that.

Acorn is illegal for voter. No matter if you know him in your city. It's the truth about Obama's background. If you don't believe it. You will see what is going on. This is not bias. It's the truth.

Pinky · 10-24-2008, 10:48 PM

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ELECTION 2008
Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth
'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months'
Posted: October 23, 2008
11:33 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Philip J. Berg

The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.

The issue of Obama
's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.

But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.

"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."

(Story continues below)

He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

Berg said he's pursuing the issue because of "the most important document in the United States," the U.S. Constitution.

"Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution," he said. "The Constitution's provisions are very small for qualifying for president. One, be over 35, and he is. Two, be in the country 14 years, and he has been. Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

Obama campaign officials acknowledged the dispute by posting the image purporting to be a copy of his certification of live birth earlier this year. But they've declined to return WND requests for comment on the issues.

WND reported earlier this week Berg's claim that Obama has legally "admitted" the accusations included in his lawsuit, including that he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, by not responding to the allegations.

Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States.

His lawsuit is demanding that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate.

Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

Since Obama filed only motions to dismiss the case and did not actually answer the claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen., asserted Berg, who has taken his information public through his website.

Berg addressed the existence of a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper, featured on the Atlasshrugs2000 website, that suggests Obama was born in the city Aug. 4, 1961.

But Berg explained to Savage he believes Obama's mother was near the end of her pregnancy and unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya. The family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the newspaper announcement.

Besides Berg's lawsuit, several other court challenges also have been filed, including one in Washington state where petitioners are seeking to have the Washington secretary of state "verify Obama's eligibility" to serve prior to the election.

The claim states, "The 'certificate' that Mr. Obama has posted on his official Website is a 'Certification of Live Birth,' and not a 'Birth Certificate' from Hawaii. There is no indication on even this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place."

Berg also told Savage there is no information available on which hospital Obama's mother used in Hawaii.

The Washington state case also alleges, "Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen.

When Jerome Corsi, senior WND investigator reporter, recently traveled to Kenya to investigate several questions about the candidate, he was told the records were sealed and would not be made available.

Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.

"Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of the Hawaii certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

The Washington claim states, "If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama's birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of 'natural born.'"

Berg said he believed it also was a complication that Obama's mother divorced his father, married and moved to Indonesia for several years and Obama attended school there at a time when, Berg said, only Indonesia citizens were allowed in schools. Records that are available from Indonesia revealed Obama was registered in school as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was listed as Islam.

When Obama later returned to Hawaii, within the United States, there should have been a government document affirming his citizenship, but that also cannot be found. If that was not processed properly, Berg said, Obama would be in a situation even worse than not being a natural-born citizen.

"If he didn't go through immigration
, he now is illegal and has been an illegal alien. He couldn't even hold the position of senator for Illinois," Berg said.

Further, Berg said he suspected Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that's why those records have been withheld by the campaign.

"I really think it's because it probably indicates he's from Kenya, or Indonesia, or received foreign aid," Berg said.

"I feel very confident saying these things," Berg told Savage.

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Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth

Hear Again · 10-24-2008, 11:06 PM

The truth about Obama's birth certificate:

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

netrox · 10-24-2008, 11:32 PM

ACORN is an organization dedicated to helping the poor register to vote. Republicans have always attacked ACORN becuase they KNOW that most poor people are Democrats and have voted for Democratic candidates in the past. So, they have gone desperate ways to smear ACORN by saying that ACORN has lots of illegal registrations.

What people don't really understand is that fake voter registration will NOT affect the election outcome at all. You cannot expect a Mickey Mouse to show up at the voting place! Or allow a 7 years old girl to vote! And all fake registrations are... just fake... they don't exist!

ACORN is the one that reported fake registrations and has fired workers who did fake registrations but the right wing media is having a field day and Republicans are trying to make it sound like they caught them doing illegal registrations. Nice try.

Foxrac · 10-25-2008, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

Acorn is illegal for voter. No matter if you know him in your city. It's the truth about Obama's background. If you don't believe it. You will see what is going on. This is not bias. It's the truth.

Short answer is no, ACORN isn't responsible for any voter fraud and you are just got info from republican that make up any lies against ACORN.

No, it's not truth again, all of your 4 link are biased, Obama's background has nothing to be appeared on it except for his official website.

Foxrac · 10-25-2008, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netrox

ACORN is an organization dedicated to helping the poor register to vote. Republicans have always attacked ACORN becuase they KNOW that most poor people are Democrats and have voted for Democratic candidates in the past. So, they have gone desperate ways to smear ACORN by saying that ACORN has lots of illegal registrations.

What people don't really understand is that fake voter registration will NOT affect the election outcome at all. You cannot expect a Mickey Mouse to show up at the voting place! Or allow a 7 years old girl to vote! And all fake registrations are... just fake... they don't exist!

ACORN is the one that reported fake registrations and has fired workers who did fake registrations but the right wing media is having a field day and Republicans are trying to make it sound like they caught them doing illegal registrations. Nice try.

Exactly, I have agree with you, many conservative people don't understand about ACORN.

Foxrac · 10-25-2008, 07:01 AM

Pinky, If you want McCain get elected then I would hopefully that democrat would remain to be majority in congress, both of senator and house of rep to prevent any abuse on our civil rights, such as GLBT rights, abortion or any related with civil rights, government is supposed not to abuse on civil rights but just need rather to focus on important issues, such as war, tax, health, etc.

It's similar to during Ronald Reagen and first Bush's presidency, democrat were majority in congress in rest of 80's and early 90's.

shel90 · 10-25-2008, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxrac

Exactly, I have agree with you, many conservative people don't understand about ACORN.

Yep, that seems apparent.

Pinky · 10-25-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hear Again

The truth about Obama's birth certificate:

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

This is old news. It was last Aug 21, 2008. My husband told me he heard on radio about Obama is not born in USA.

It's new update

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Obama Citizenship Questioned in Court Case

shel90 · 10-25-2008, 09:18 AM

There is always someone playing dirty and would do anything to get ahead.

Pinky · 10-25-2008, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

There is always someone playing dirty and would do anything to get ahead.

Yes, Both of Republican and Democratic are dirty! But Democratic is the worst than Republican.

Hear Again · 10-25-2008, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

This is old news. It was last Aug 21, 2008. My husband told me he heard on radio about Obama is not born in USA.

It's new update

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Obama Citizenship Questioned in Court Case

We have more important issues to focus on -- like the economy. Republicans ought to start thinking about how we're going to get out of the recession we're in instead of worrying about where Obama was born.

shel90 · 10-25-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

Yes, Both of Republican and Democratic are dirty! But Democratic is the worst than Republican.

I disagree...I think they both play dirty just as equally. That's called politics.

Pinky · 10-25-2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shel90

I disagree...I think they both play dirty just as equally. That's called politics.

That's true! The politics is bad!

shel90 · 10-25-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

That's true! The politics is bad!

Yea and it is a necessary evil sometimes.

Hear Again · 10-25-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

Yes, Both of Republican and Democratic are dirty! But Democratic is the worst than Republican.

No, as Shel said, they're equally responsible for playing dirty. Welcome to the world of politics.

Foxrac · 10-25-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

This is old news. It was last Aug 21, 2008. My husband told me he heard on radio about Obama is not born in USA.

It's new update

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Obama Citizenship Questioned in Court Case

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hear Again

We have more important issues to focus on -- like the economy. Republicans ought to start thinking about how we're going to get out of the recession we're in instead of worrying about where Obama was born.

Not official? I checked on democrat's website and nothing to find it, also I had checked on several largest media and can't find it.

Only some problem is... national convention and presidential debate is over and all ballots are printed, how we can fix this crap? I don't think that election will delay.

I'm wait for get official from democrat website or largest media news.

In case, if it's true then I wouldn't probably going not vote, unless if Hillary Clinton want run for president.

Barbaro · 10-25-2008, 11:53 AM

I don't care about the speculation regarding Obama's birthplace. That odd lawyer, Philip J. Berg.. He is a Hillary Clinton supporter has filed a lawsuit against Barry Obama claiming he is not a citizen.

Here's Philip J. Berg's website:Obama Crimes. He usually posts updates to let the public know of his situation.

Obama is seeking a protective order to block production of documents, and claiming Philip J. Berg has no standing- has no right- to bring the lawsuit.
Here's Obama's protective order, BERG v. OBAMA et al Document 15 - :: Justia Docs

I know a Democrat/Liberal who is the registrar of vital records (birth/death certificates), and has been for 14 years. He would still like to see the original birth certificate- issued by a government agency, not a certificate of live birth- issued by a hospital. According to him, everyone could just print their own birth certificate on any computer. I dunno... The State Dept. had done a complete background check on me plus my name is locked under the FBI file, so no one else would look up my files. Literally.... Hehehehehe!

Foxrac · 10-25-2008, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbaro

I don't care about the speculation regarding Obama's birthplace. That odd lawyer, Philip J. Berg.. He is a Hillary Clinton supporter has filed a lawsuit against Barry Obama claiming he is not a citizen.

Here's Philip J. Berg's website:Obama Crimes. He usually posts updates to let the public know of his situation.

Obama is seeking a protective order to block production of documents, and claiming Philip J. Berg has no standing- has no right- to bring the lawsuit.
Here's Obama's protective order, BERG v. OBAMA et al Document 15 - :: Justia Docs

I know a Democrat/Liberal who is the registrar of vital records (birth/death certificates), and has been for 14 years. He would still like to see the original birth certificate- issued by a government agency, not a certificate of live birth- issued by a hospital. According to him, everyone could just print their own birth certificate on any computer. I dunno... The State Dept. had done a complete background check on me plus my name is locked under the FBI file, so no one else would look up my files. Literally.... Hehehehehe!

Oh interesting about between original birth certificate and certificate of live birth.

I wouldn't surprised if confirm about Obama isn't natural born as official and I would be piss at him off for perjury and screw our vote up, usually people who want vote democrat president.

netrox · 10-25-2008, 12:35 PM

Both play dirty plitics equally?

Really? Show me where McCain offers hope and change... oh wait.. he got none.

Foxrac · 10-25-2008, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~♥~Pinky~♥~

This is old news. It was last Aug 21, 2008. My husband told me he heard on radio about Obama is not born in USA.

It's new update

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Obama Citizenship Questioned in Court Case

1st link isn't work anymore, it's all blank.

I had show both of link to my friend for confirmation, it's false, usually 2nd link has serious spelling error and not truth.

There's no official about Obama isn't natural born.

All birth certificate are filed in dept of health, Obama got proved for that, also McCain isn't born on American soil either.

shel90 · 10-25-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netrox

Both play dirty plitics equally?

Really? Show me where McCain offers hope and change... oh wait.. he got none.

Jiro · 10-25-2008, 02:02 PM

Hear Again · 10-25-2008, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netrox

Both play dirty plitics equally?

Really? Show me where McCain offers hope and change... oh wait.. he got none.

shel90 · 10-25-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

@ who? Me?

BradB08 · 10-25-2008, 08:48 PM

Oh geez, more crap over ACORN.

When will some people here learn that posting the same old links and same old topics over and over, is counterproductive and will not contribute to a meaningful dialog over this election?

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Foxrac DOMESTIC DISSENT HUNTER Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18,150	It's sounds like bias. ACORN is organization that are not purposefully committing or condoning fraud, according from my hearing friend. I know him in my state and he ain't way like that. __________________

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Foxrac DOMESTIC DISSENT HUNTER Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18,150	Pinky, If you want McCain get elected then I would hopefully that democrat would remain to be majority in congress, both of senator and house of rep to prevent any abuse on our civil rights, such as GLBT rights, abortion or any related with civil rights, government is supposed not to abuse on civil rights but just need rather to focus on important issues, such as war, tax, health, etc. It's similar to during Ronald Reagen and first Bush's presidency, democrat were majority in congress in rest of 80's and early 90's. __________________

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netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,979	ACORN is an organization dedicated to helping the poor register to vote. Republicans have always attacked ACORN becuase they KNOW that most poor people are Democrats and have voted for Democratic candidates in the past. So, they have gone desperate ways to smear ACORN by saying that ACORN has lots of illegal registrations. What people don't really understand is that fake voter registration will NOT affect the election outcome at all. You cannot expect a Mickey Mouse to show up at the voting place! Or allow a 7 years old girl to vote! And all fake registrations are... just fake... they don't exist! ACORN is the one that reported fake registrations and has fired workers who did fake registrations but the right wing media is having a field day and Republicans are trying to make it sound like they caught them doing illegal registrations. Nice try.

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shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 23,974 Blog Entries: 3	There is always someone playing dirty and would do anything to get ahead. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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Barbaro doomsday clock's clicking Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: dæləs Posts: 535	I don't care about the speculation regarding Obama's birthplace. That odd lawyer, Philip J. Berg.. He is a Hillary Clinton supporter has filed a lawsuit against Barry Obama claiming he is not a citizen. Here's Philip J. Berg's website:Obama Crimes. He usually posts updates to let the public know of his situation. Obama is seeking a protective order to block production of documents, and claiming Philip J. Berg has no standing- has no right- to bring the lawsuit. Here's Obama's protective order, BERG v. OBAMA et al Document 15 - :: Justia Docs I know a Democrat/Liberal who is the registrar of vital records (birth/death certificates), and has been for 14 years. He would still like to see the original birth certificate- issued by a government agency, not a certificate of live birth- issued by a hospital. According to him, everyone could just print their own birth certificate on any computer. I dunno... The State Dept. had done a complete background check on me plus my name is locked under the FBI file, so no one else would look up my files. Literally.... Hehehehehe! __________________ We know what we are but not what we may be. -Author:Shakespeare

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netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,979	Both play dirty plitics equally? Really? Show me where McCain offers hope and change... oh wait.. he got none.

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BradB08 You can do anything Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,553 Blog Entries: 1	Oh geez, more crap over ACORN. When will some people here learn that posting the same old links and same old topics over and over, is counterproductive and will not contribute to a meaningful dialog over this election?

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