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Old 10-09-2008, 12:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Withering On The Vine

Earlier this week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) admitted he would cut $1.3 trillion from Medicare and Medicaid over the next ten years to finance his health care plan. McCain's proposed cuts echo former House Speaker Newt Gingrich's 1995 effort to cut $270 billion, or 14 percent, from projected Medicare spending over seven years and force millions of elderly recipients into managed health care programs or HMOs. As Gingrich admitted, "We don't want to get rid of it [traditional Medicare] in round one because we don't think it's politically smart." "But we believe that it's going to wither on the vine because we think [seniors] are going to leave it voluntarily," he added. Despite McCain's career-long support for limiting Medicare benefits and eligibility, the campaign, is denying that its financing mechanism would undermine benefits. Appearing on CNN, McCain senior policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin implied that "McCain would save money in the federal health programs" by focusing on preventive care and weeding out $1.3 trillion worth of inefficiency and fraud. Nonetheless, a Center for American Progress Action Fund (CAPAF) analysis of the senator's proposed cuts finds that McCain but also undermine Medicare and Medicaid benefits and eligibility and would force those with private insurance plans to pay more for health coverage out of pocket.

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Old 10-09-2008, 01:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If I were a U.S. citizen, I would not vote him.

Health care is an universal human right.

He can save some money by weeding out frauds in the Medicare system and re-investing it in other Medicare programs and services that the Americans mostly need to depend on.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Ouch, bad news for low income, disability and elderly Americans.

For me, I wouldn't vote McCain, anyway.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ouch, bad news for low income, disability and elderly Americans.

For me, I wouldn't vote McCain, anyway.
Exactly right.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:41 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for the link, Boult. People need to look at the reality of what McCain proposes. The reality is, Americans will suffer, unless we own 7 houses and 13 cars.
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Thanks for the link, Boult. People need to look at the reality of what McCain proposes. The reality is, Americans will suffer, unless we own 7 houses and 13 cars.
It will be 6 houses because recently they put one house on the market.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It will be 6 houses because recently they put one house on the market.
Oh my.....financial crisis affecting him too, huh?
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Jillio, what's "Sportsmen for McCain"?

I just saw on pick-up truck on parking lot and very rare to see like that, lol.
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:16 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Jillio, what's "Sportsmen for McCain"?

I just saw on pick-up truck on parking lot and very rare to see like that, lol.
I would assume that means that those who hunt animals for sport support McCain/Palin. She has catered to that population with her claims of being an avid hunter and gun owner.

Not surprised that you saw it on a pick up truck!
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I would assume that means that those who hunt animals for sport support McCain/Palin. She has catered to that population with her claims of being an avid hunter and gun owner.

Not surprised that you saw it on a pick up truck!
There's Obama for sportsmens.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ad..._Sportsmen.pdf

It was happened after got out of Wal mart yesterday in morning and saw it in parking lot.

Boult, I'm sorry about off topic, I don't realize that I was posted in wrong thread.
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There's Obama for sportsmens.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ad..._Sportsmen.pdf

It was happened after got out of Wal mart yesterday in morning and saw it in parking lot.

Boult, I'm sorry about off topic, I don't realize that I was posted in wrong thread.
The link doesn't work.
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Old 10-11-2008, 11:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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...Not surprised that you saw it on a pick up truck!
What do you mean by that statement?
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What do you mean by that statement?
Simply that a lot of sportsmen drive pick-up trucks, so such a bumper sticker on a pick up truck is not surprising.
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Simply that a lot of sportsmen drive pick-up trucks, so such a bumper sticker on a pick up truck is not surprising.
So why is it funny then?

BTW, not all sportsmen are hunters. There are many sports other than hunting.

Not all people who drive pick-up trucks are sportsmen.
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The link doesn't work.
Oh damn, it was work in last 2 days ago, there's other way about sportsmen for Obama.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Sportsmen for Obama

Please back on topic, anyway.
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So why is it funny then?

BTW, not all sportsmen are hunters. There are many sports other than hunting.

Not all people who drive pick-up trucks are sportsmen.
The Sportsman's Club is an organization of hunters and fisherman. I really don't think the bumper sticker was referring to basketball or baseball.

No, not all people who drive pick up trucks are sportsment. However, the one driving the pickup truck with the bumper sticker no doubt was. No one said anything about all pick up truck drivers, now did they?

And, I found it funny. If you don't, fine.
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The Sportsman's Club is an organization of hunters and fisherman. I really don't think the bumper sticker was referring to basketball or baseball.

No, not all people who drive pick up trucks are sportsment. However, the one driving the pickup truck with the bumper sticker no doubt was. No one said anything about all pick up truck drivers, now did they?

And, I found it funny. If you don't, fine.

You might be a redneck "if"

Type of Joke.
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You might be a redneck "if"

Type of Joke.
There you go! Some find it funny, some don't. C'est la vie!
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The Sportsman's Club is an organization of hunters and fisherman. I really don't think the bumper sticker was referring to basketball or baseball.
I didn't see anything in the original post that said "Sportsman's Club".

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No, not all people who drive pick up trucks are sportsment. However, the one driving the pickup truck with the bumper sticker no doubt was. No one said anything about all pick up truck drivers, now did they?
No, you didn't say "all"; you simply made a statement based on a stereotype:

"Not surprised that you saw it on a pick up truck!"
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I didn't see anything in the original post that said "Sportsman's Club".


No, you didn't say "all"; you simply made a statement based on a stereotype:

"Not surprised that you saw it on a pick up truck!"
A isn't a stereotype when it holds true.
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