No more biased sources! PLEASE!!!

SimpleMan · 10-07-2008, 05:09 AM

Please everyone. I'm all for being an educated voter, but if you are trying to say you are an informed voter, and then post a link from CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews, Huffington Post, New York Times, CBC, and the list gets longer, or even BBC, you are not informed. All the sources I just listed, and many more have blatant bias to either left or in the case of FoxNews, leans right. If you truly want to make an informed decision, then you will read the info from non-biased sources. If you're not sure if the source is non-biased, than look for another that seems non-biased in which to compare with. If you don't know if your sources are non-biased, than post on these boards asking if others know that source and asking if it is biased.

Factcheck.org has been lauded on these boards by me and firstly by a couple others, and to me they seem neutral, and there are some other sites. I would believe something from there before I believed anything from either CNN or FoxNews.

I can only express, that if you are trying to get a point across or say 'so-and-so candidate believes this' then you need a neutral source and if I see CNN or MSNBC (same if it's a link from FoxNews), I probly won't even bother reading the link because I know they're full of it, and have they're own agenda, and I hope everyone else understands this fact and reacts the same. I have seen way to many 'proof' posts with links for and article from CNN or god forbid, Huffington Post, and that is no proof at all, only misinformation or outright lies at the expense of American citizens, and they threaten us all.

Liebling:-))) · 10-07-2008, 05:13 AM

Are you saying that MSNBC and World BBC, I alway read is misleading and biased?

I do not beleive that both online newspapers are misleading and biased. MSNBC do have both McCain's news and Obama's news...

Could you please provide the source to support your claim here?

FactCheck and Snope.com confirmed the rumor several weeks later.

SimpleMan · 10-07-2008, 05:51 AM

I have only read some links posted from BBC but they seemed to me just the same as info from CNN, so I believe they have the same liberal bias. However, MSNBC is well known to be liberal just like CNN, I'm sure others here can reinforce this. I can look up reference if I have to later, but it's almost 5am here right now and I'm dead tired and should be in bed already.

Liebling:-))) · 10-07-2008, 06:42 AM

*curious* which online newspaper, you trust to read, SimpleMan?

jillio · 10-07-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan

Please everyone. I'm all for being an educated voter, but if you are trying to say you are an informed voter, and then post a link from CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews, Huffington Post, New York Times, CBC, and the list gets longer, or even BBC, you are not informed. All the sources I just listed, and many more have blatant bias to either left or in the case of FoxNews, leans right. If you truly want to make an informed decision, then you will read the info from non-biased sources. If you're not sure if the source is non-biased, than look for another that seems non-biased in which to compare with. If you don't know if your sources are non-biased, than post on these boards asking if others know that source and asking if it is biased.

Factcheck.org has been lauded on these boards by me and firstly by a couple others, and to me they seem neutral, and there are some other sites. I would believe something from there before I believed anything from either CNN or FoxNews.

I can only express, that if you are trying to get a point across or say 'so-and-so candidate believes this' then you need a neutral source and if I see CNN or MSNBC (same if it's a link from FoxNews), I probly won't even bother reading the link because I know they're full of it, and have they're own agenda, and I hope everyone else understands this fact and reacts the same. I have seen way to many 'proof' posts with links for and article from CNN or god forbid, Huffington Post, and that is no proof at all, only misinformation or outright lies at the expense of American citizens, and they threaten us all.

Then why is it that you did not bother to use factcheck.org before posting misleading statements about campaign contributions that came from an obviously biased source?

PowerON · 10-07-2008, 10:00 AM

It could be the reporter who put on to against someone and make them look bad. Put on the personal against is terrible idea.

There is hardly for us to know they're full of BS.

There is good example, J. Jonah Jameson have put against on Spider-Man by put his own source on his own newspaper to make Spider-Man look bad. That's why people end up against on him. Tsk tsk

madison069 · 10-07-2008, 12:28 PM

Where are you going to learn about the candidates?

I judge the candidates mostly on their voting records.

Site Undergoing Scheduled Maintence: Please check back soon. is a good source of their voting records.

PowerON · 10-07-2008, 02:20 PM

Anyone need to vote the issues of everything. That's why it's vital that your vote is 100% percent your decide on which candidate you feel agree with these issues in the best interest for our (US) country.

Bottesini · 10-07-2008, 02:33 PM

It is impossible not to be biased. Everyone is in some way. To avoid it, you would have to completely disregard all sources as the writers and reporters have their own feelings too.

Then you would be completely uninformed.

Tousi · 10-07-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

It is impossible not to be biased. Everyone is in some way. To avoid it, you would have to completely disregard all sources as the writers and reporters have their own feelings too.

Then you would be completely uninformed.

Good point, Botti; so, then, we all should look at/read up on what all perspectives provide?

Bottesini · 10-07-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Good point, Botti; so, then, we all should look at/read up on what all perspectives provide?

If you care enough and want to be completely informed. But your own bias would still affect your perception of what you read.

Tousi · 10-07-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

If you care enough and want to be completely informed. But your own bias would still affect your perception of what you read.

Hmmmmm,.......not sure about that. I've been known to change my mind.

Liza · 10-07-2008, 07:37 PM

Simpleman: In the end it is the responsibility of each individual to discern any information no matter where it comes from.

Tousi · 10-07-2008, 08:10 PM

Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

Liza · 10-07-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

That is telling me I went too far.

So... back to the editing board.

Tousi · 10-07-2008, 11:34 PM

Liza · 10-07-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Thanks for your 'barometer' so to speak!

Tousi · 10-07-2008, 11:50 PM

Haha, Liza, on second thought, maybe a sock to the solar plexus is sometimes beneficial, after all.

Royale · 10-08-2008, 12:58 PM

I do not read the articles which are anti-American or extremely biased toward either conservatives or liberals.

BBC got caught with series of anti-American articles. You can find so many anti-American articles that they published in Google.

I check BBC website everyday as long as the articles are about EU, UK politics, and science & technology only. Anti-American articles? I skip them, period. Also I read some UK newspapers sites about the same subjects that I check on BBC website.

I check Drudge Report every day because he tends to balance his choices of news on his website.

***VamPyroX*** · 10-08-2008, 01:17 PM

How can you determine if a news source is truly biased?

BradB08 · 10-09-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

How can you determine if a news source is truly biased?

Hint: You can't.

And the so-called "liberal media" is owned by conservatives.

ClearSky · 10-09-2008, 01:08 AM

I think it's hard to do that. Also, I think biased sources can help us point out feelings that we share that we cannot put into words.

web730 · 10-09-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ClearSky

I think it's hard to do that. Also, I think biased sources can help us point out feelings that we share that we cannot put into words.

Probably so yet if too much biased sources one use, it might be not healthful to debate on sometimes.

Liebling:-))) · 10-09-2008, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Royale

BBC got caught with series of anti-American articles. You can find so many anti-American articles that they published in Google.

I check BBC website everyday as long as the articles are about EU, UK politics, and science & technology only. Anti-American articles? I skip them, period. Also I read some UK newspapers sites about the same subjects that I check on BBC website.

I respectfully disagree that BBC World article is an anti-american because there're plenty of good/bad articles around the world including East Middle, UK, EU etc, politics including US election and also use Factcheck on both sides, not just America.

BradB08 · 10-09-2008, 06:20 AM

I laugh at people who look at unfavorable press about the US as "anti-American".

There's nothing more anti-American than the folks at the rally for McCain/Palin. There's nothing more anti-American than someone smashing in a window at DNC headquarters in Denver. There's nothing more anti-American than a politician like John McCain or Sarah Palin, who resort to nasty tricks to win.

Byrdie714 · 10-09-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BradB08

Hint: You can't.

And the so-called "liberal media" is owned by conservatives.

Isn't that a contradiction?

Beowulf · 10-09-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Isn't that a contradiction?

Lol, not really. The key words are "so-called."
Just google the words "Who owns the media."

Liza · 10-09-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Haha, Liza, on second thought, maybe a sock to the solar plexus is sometimes beneficial, after all.

This coming from you, Tousi! I suppose that's true now and then.

Biased sources or not, at least people gotta retain some sense of dignity and respect eh?

Tousi · 10-09-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Liza

This coming from you, Tousi! I suppose that's true now and then.

Biased sources or not, at least people gotta retain some sense of dignity and respect eh?

Yeah, we gotta really try and bend over backwards to respect but sometimes it is difficult for some of us.

10-07-2008, 05:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
SimpleMan Nice hearing guy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A Pale Blue Dot in the Cosmos Posts: 338	No more biased sources! PLEASE!!! Please everyone. I'm all for being an educated voter, but if you are trying to say you are an informed voter, and then post a link from CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews, Huffington Post, New York Times, CBC, and the list gets longer, or even BBC, you are not informed. All the sources I just listed, and many more have blatant bias to either left or in the case of FoxNews, leans right. If you truly want to make an informed decision, then you will read the info from non-biased sources. If you're not sure if the source is non-biased, than look for another that seems non-biased in which to compare with. If you don't know if your sources are non-biased, than post on these boards asking if others know that source and asking if it is biased. Factcheck.org has been lauded on these boards by me and firstly by a couple others, and to me they seem neutral, and there are some other sites. I would believe something from there before I believed anything from either CNN or FoxNews. I can only express, that if you are trying to get a point across or say 'so-and-so candidate believes this' then you need a neutral source and if I see CNN or MSNBC (same if it's a link from FoxNews), I probly won't even bother reading the link because I know they're full of it, and have they're own agenda, and I hope everyone else understands this fact and reacts the same. I have seen way to many 'proof' posts with links for and article from CNN or god forbid, Huffington Post, and that is no proof at all, only misinformation or outright lies at the expense of American citizens, and they threaten us all.

10-07-2008, 05:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 26,842	Are you saying that MSNBC and World BBC, I alway read is misleading and biased? I do not beleive that both online newspapers are misleading and biased. MSNBC do have both McCain's news and Obama's news... Could you please provide the source to support your claim here? FactCheck and Snope.com confirmed the rumor several weeks later. __________________

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Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 26,842	curious which online newspaper, you trust to read, SimpleMan? __________________

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10-07-2008, 05:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
SimpleMan Nice hearing guy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A Pale Blue Dot in the Cosmos Posts: 338	I have only read some links posted from BBC but they seemed to me just the same as info from CNN, so I believe they have the same liberal bias. However, MSNBC is well known to be liberal just like CNN, I'm sure others here can reinforce this. I can look up reference if I have to later, but it's almost 5am here right now and I'm dead tired and should be in bed already.

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madison069 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 231	Where are you going to learn about the candidates? I judge the candidates mostly on their voting records. Site Undergoing Scheduled Maintence: Please check back soon. is a good source of their voting records.

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Bottesini +Charismatic+ Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mesmerizing Posts: 5,630 Blog Entries: 2	It is impossible not to be biased. Everyone is in some way. To avoid it, you would have to completely disregard all sources as the writers and reporters have their own feelings too. Then you would be completely uninformed. __________________

10-07-2008, 07:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Liza Cranial protocologist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 4,107 Blog Entries: 2	Simpleman: In the end it is the responsibility of each individual to discern any information no matter where it comes from. Last edited by Liza; 10-07-2008 at 11:25 PM.

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,210	Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,210	Haha, Liza, on second thought, maybe a sock to the solar plexus is sometimes beneficial, after all.

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Royale Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 850	I do not read the articles which are anti-American or extremely biased toward either conservatives or liberals. BBC got caught with series of anti-American articles. You can find so many anti-American articles that they published in Google. I check BBC website everyday as long as the articles are about EU, UK politics, and science & technology only. Anti-American articles? I skip them, period. Also I read some UK newspapers sites about the same subjects that I check on BBC website. I check Drudge Report every day because he tends to balance his choices of news on his website.

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ClearSky Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,014	I think it's hard to do that. Also, I think biased sources can help us point out feelings that we share that we cannot put into words.

10-09-2008, 06:20 AM	#25 (permalink)
BradB08 You talkin' to me? Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,692 Blog Entries: 1	I laugh at people who look at unfavorable press about the US as "anti-American". There's nothing more anti-American than the folks at the rally for McCain/Palin. There's nothing more anti-American than someone smashing in a window at DNC headquarters in Denver. There's nothing more anti-American than a politician like John McCain or Sarah Palin, who resort to nasty tricks to win.