madison069

Oh and i doubt Bush will or could suspend the election, I haven't read up on that, but what's the step in suspension of election? Don't it have to be approved by the congress or senate?

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madison069

Dude, I will have to spend a weekend looking over everything about Pelosi, she got a long history of voting.

BradB08

You probably won't and end up linking to some right-wing bullshit site to make your "points" for you.

madison069

Nope, it's a neutral site, Project Vote Smart - American Government, Elections, Candidates and Voting , but you got to do the search for the actual bill most of the time, this will get you started.

madison069

Isn't Tax a big debate about this current election? What will they do with that tax money that they are getting?

BradB08

WHO will do WHAT with WHAT tax money?

Are you talking about the government? {Mod's Edit - unnecessary comment thus provoking}

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*kicks the bump back down*

You cannot blame everything on a Democratic Congress when there is a razor-thin majority and plenty of corruption.

Remember, WHO controlled this country for 6 straight years? Hint: It's your beloved GOP.

BradB08

I wouldn't call programs that help the unfortunate a waste of taxpayer money.

The bailout of Wall Street on the other hand? Colossal waste of tax money.

Jolie77

The thread is re-opened after being reviewed and cleaned up.

Now, Let's remain on topic which is the Election Nightmare Scenario.

These off topic posts which were related to Katrina incident were removed because it has nothing to do with the election itself.

Actions has already been taken regarding to this thread.

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And you like Reagan and Bush??? The national deficit shot up during their adminstrations. Without severe cutbacks, $10-trillion national debt will keep growing | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press - look at the sidebar for the chart. It also went up during George W. Bush's adminstration.

As for the job outsourcing, it started in Kennedy's adminstration to "encourage investment abroad: We want to extend American influence to combat Communism." (Reader's Digest - Oct. 2008 under "Outrageous" written by Michael Crowley.) Corporate lobbyists are fighting to keep things the way they are.

I think it is high time to update the tax law to drop this job outsourcing insanity.

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Byrdie714

If he does suspend the election--it would be under the disguise of a "national emergency" such as a perceive terrorist attack, etc, etc.

If Bush wants to stay in office--he would pull a stunt like that.

jillio

Agreed. Outsourcing has been distorted from its intended purpose.

jillio

And there you have it!

madison069

Yea there you have it,

Chicagoans Against Obama

Seems like enough support for this site I guess.

But who are the electoral going to vote for when the majority are Democrat?

I am at the point that Electoral don't vote for the person the general population wants voted.

Foxrac

Democrat haven't been majority in congress after 1994 election since when more conservative democrat are switched to republican in 1994 due agree with philosophy and other issues, it went return to control in congress in after 2006, speaking of issue with Pelosi, it's your opinion if she's worse but for me, I don't dislike her, I'm just more between on her, even she's better than previous speaker from republican in before 2006, in my opinion.

No, it's not true, supply of oil in earth has been decline since demand has went skyrocketing due China and India are using more oil as USA does, we are #1 most consume on oil since our population is smaller than China and India. Gas price has went skyrocket in after 2003 when republican is majority in congress, even gas price has really nothing to be majority blamed on congress or president, very small chance. Drilling in offshore or AK to increase of domestic oil wouldn't help to make cheap on gas price since oil are sold on market, it will be take 10 years to find oil and more expensive to produce it. AK has very lower oil reserves when compare to Canada, Russia, Saudi Arabia and several other countries that's contain rich of oil, it will last for less than 3 years if 100% replaced by domestic oil from import oil and there's alot of environment issue about drilling as well. Speaking of republican lift the ban on drilling in offshore an AK and price of oil dropped to $30 aren't true, there's no source for like that, drilling ban haven't lifted yet either. It's better way to tighten on emission regulation to increase the mpg, other energy sources and alternative fuels, anything beside of oil.

I forgot to mention about my previous post that republican don't support free market with regulation, The info that you sent link has nothing with existing of credit and mortgage crisis, it has with financial institution regulation, that where republican had loosen it in late 90's or early 2000's, it causes credit and mortgage companies to bubble so rapidly then burst were occurred in late 2005 when crisis started. Remember about Great Depression, the economy were recovered by democrat president, free market isn't always work for anything without any regulation.

There's no thing to be dictatorship, democrat party in USA has nothing with part of dictatorship, even regulation on companies or eveything, such as oppose to deregulation has nothing with that, it's regulation to protect us from into threaten of economy. I'm not going to discuss about Nazi, it has nothing with that, again. Speaking of free market will work if regulated, no, it's not true, republican does make more loosen on regulation and allows more into free market with less regulation, it happened in 7-8 years but now, economy is crashed, it's not most of democrat's fault to cause like that, speaking of blocking the regulation from democrat aren't true either. Republican is known for job that favor into free market with less or no regulation, I'm favor into free market with regulation, some of strict regulation on few others, including bank, credit, mortgage, auto and emission.

Canada don't have mortgage or credit crisis due strict financial institution regulation, unlike in USA does, neither in many other countries, except for affected if invest into economy with USA.

Not true, federal minimum wage is very important thing with economy, even without minimum wage then many Americans would suffers into high poverty and more difficult on life, also don't have enough money to meet the needs, not every companies are really trustfully, if make $1.50 per hour today then would be not very enough. Minimum wage need to be increase based on inflation as economy goes growing. Dropping the cost of living has nothing with minimum wage, there's alot of other effects could make cost of living goes up or down, it had adopted in after Great Depression.

Excuse me for off topic, in during shortly after Katrina, they are ordered to be leaving due flooding, health hazard and other issues, everyone who are from New Orleans area are require to leave until recover is in effect, after recovered, such as flooding went drained, except for rebuilt in later after that then everyone is return to home again, that's not joke. Katrina is really has nothing with blame on parties (republican or democrat) or political, we doesn't know if Katrina went bad, it happened then government has learn the mistake from that, they are doing different way with other hurricane in post-Katrina, such as Gustav. Everyone is begin home in there, including one of my relative and few friends, even can't be avoid because of hurricane, look in FL, FL has 18 millions in population that where located in hurricane zone. Due respect to Jolie (post at #70), we can't discuss about situation about Katrina in further, just need search on other thread that related to Katrina or discuss in private messaging.

Who cares about other countries, Iraq isn't our country that we could care with that, Iraq war was mostly situation with between Bush and Saddam, it was happened in 18 years ago or so but invasion isn't start until 2003 then war have been continuing after that, we need get out of war to save alot of money, even wartime cost alot of money and US has nothing to interfere with Iraq in past, look in China, North Korea, Iran, Sudan and other few countries are really abuse on human rights, we could nothing to do with them, it's their choice at own risk, we couldn't send all war on it for numerous reason. WW2 is very old, historic, republican and democrat are very different in nearly 20th mid-century from today. Iraq war has nothing to be compare with WWII because WWII is most world is in war but Iraq war is very smaller chance, just between US and Iraq, including few allies with US as well. I'm really don't care about illegal immigrants, if you are speaking of issues with illegal immigrants then that's your opinion. English isn't official language in USA but some states adopted it for government jobs. For stand of diverse, it has happened in other countries when not speak their language, we should respect their culture, long as they aren't interfere with us, even we offers translator to assist with communication in different language.

I'm neutral on bailout plan, many companies have been victim of crisis, such as Apple and MS, also not going to discuss like that in this thread because we have other thread to discuss about economy crisis, also don't expect if I'm reply or not.

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Foxrac

It's blog website, it don't give an enough support.

There's no official to know about people in Chicago hate Obama, only some of them and really small number, also I'm currently resident of Chicago and don't hate him either, I approved most of his job.

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jillio

He still has the Electoral vote for Illinois.

madison069

Not bad Foxrac, it's going to take me alittle while to get back with you, but I will try to get with you.

But one of the thing that caught me and I want to go ahead and say it. The minimum wage, It don't mean crap, except raise the price of everything around us. If the folks on minimum wage don't like the wage, there is other way to raise money. I made minimum wage at only one of the jobs I have had since being out of High School, but while making minimum wage I cut grass on the side and I netted over $1000 a week cutting grass. Yes it was alot of work, but if you don't put in the work and make some sacrifices you will never be able to better yourself. The folks who are staying on minimum wages and that's their only source of income after 1 yrs, are just lazy people of America and I am happy to see they are flipping my burger for that wage instead of designing products that could kill me if they didn't do it right cause they are lazy.

After working at that minimum wage job for 3 months I landed on a job that paid $1500 a week for the summer and I was able to save enough money to live on while I was in college to get started. Then after learning all of the loop holes of the financial system I was able to get my tuition exempt and my books paid for. Then with the help of student loans I was able to live at a decent place and not have to work while i go to college. During the summer I took on jobs in the Oil Field to save more money to help me get through college and in the end it all paid off cause now I am getting into the Oil Field career as a Design Engineer hopefully.

Now you know another reason why I know a good bit about the Oil Field, cause I work in it and I live here in Texas where we are pumping so much oil it's funny listening to people screaming we ain't got enough oil. I see HUGE tanks of oil just sitting there cause around 2001 or so the government wanted to start stock piling the oil instead of selling it right off the wellheads. We started buying alot of oversea oil and that's when prices started to climb. Now that we are getting butt hurt by the oil market they still don't buy from USA, they are still importing alot of it from out of the country cause we don't want to use up what we got stock piled incase of a war. That's why the Nazi lost the war, they ran out of fuel and material to make weapons and such. Same thing happened to the Confederates during the civil war.

Also living in Texas I see what the Illegal is doing to the system first hand. I can go to a welfare build and you can find a long line of mexican standing in line wanting food stamp and money, but have no desire to become a legal American. Those people can go back to Mexico for all I care.

madison069

But if you read the comments on most of the stuff written, you will find some of the chicago folks talking on there, you will have to dig back to the beginning of that site, but since then everyone on the world's map is on that page.

madison069

Hence my point, they are democrat die hard you think they was going to vote for McCain?
They have to back up their own government people cause if they do they stand the chance of getting more benefit due to Obama coming from Illinois.

Foxrac

The republican or anti-Obama who from Chicago is created this website, there's some residents in Chicago are republican, even some of them are anti-Obama as well, nothing is big than expected.

Same goes with Sarah Palin, there's many anti-Palin protest in AK and does it means AK would be blue state? It will not gonna be happen since majority residents from AK are support Palin, however anti-Palin is narrow in AK, just like anti-Obama in IL.

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Foxrac

Electoral vote is counted based on popular vote in each state, if IL has major of votes for Obama then Obama win for IL and give an blue state, just like other example, if AZ has major of votes for McCain then McCain win for AZ and give AZ an red state, that how electoral college works.

I got explanation from jillio about that.

There's still some anti-Obama in IL, even AZ has some anti-McCain as well, both of them aren't big as most supporters do.

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jillio

I guess that pretty much invalidates your point about Chicago not backing Obama, then, doesn't it?

BTW, he is gaining in the polls in 7 key states.