jillio

Exactly. Abstinence only has been shown to put our teens at greater risk, not lesser.

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jillio

Yes, he can. IVF and surrogacy is perfectly legal. BTW, he has had a child that unfortunately, was lost. So he knows as much about parenting as any member of this board.

Jiro

ah.. I didn't think of that. Now he's gotta find a surrogate mother. Good luck, Byrdie! oh... I didn't know about that child... sorry to hear.

jillio

Byrdie is a father. He lost his child tragically, but that doesn't make him any less of a father.

jillio

It isn't unusual at all.

Byrdie714

Uh.....I did have one.

She was one of the most politest, respectful person around. Always happy, mindful, and a joy to have.

Maria

Teenagers don't always tell their parents what they are doin' outside of the parents' house. That's like they don't tell their parents about takin' drugs with their teen friends.

Same thing with pukin' in the tiolet when teen girls try to be like models, they hide it from their parents as well....

Until their parents saw somethin' that is revealin' out of their teenage kids.... too late to fix all that. Parents have to face it and move on. Of course, they will eventually be there for their teen kids.

Cheri

I know that, and she was a small child, I was talking about teenagers, don't get confused.

jillio

And those are the very reasons that abstinence only doesn't work.

jillio

Her age doesn't matter. You said he would think differently when he had kids of his own. He did have a child of his own, and his views are still the same. He speaks as a father. Bydie is every bit as much a father as you are a mother.

Jiro

free will works. free choice works. in order to take a full advantage of freedom, proper education is needed.

jillio

Bingo!

Cheri

Exactly, You know what you're talking about.

jillio

Better to prevent the problems from occurring in the first place than to try to fix them after they have happened.

Maria

Well, what influences them if that abstinence don't work ? TV ? Other teens that some parents allow and they tell it to other teens and for them to try it out ( curiousity ) ? Magazine or Sex Ed ? Out of control hormones ? Hmm....

jillio

By teaching them the facts of sexual activity, by not sticking your head in the sand and believing that a teenager is going to adhere to abstinence, and by giving them the information they need to make responsible decisions and to protect themselves from not only pregnancy, but life threatening illness in the form of STDs.

Maria

Well, you can't put the leash on around their necks to keep an eye on them for 24/7. What are you gonna do about it ? You wouldn't know WHEN it will happen. You wouldn't know WHERE it will take place.

jillio

Like I said, give them the information they need to protect themselves. Abstinence only programs deny access to that information.

Maria

Well, look at Palin's daughter. Her and her boyfriend are plannin' to marry. She don't jump around with different men when the abstinence don't work. Some teen girls are smart for not jumpin' around, knowin' what it will do to their health ( STDs and so forth ). Some teens know what responsiblities are.

Like for instance : My oldest daughter got pregnant with her first son at the age of 16. She wasn't the only one. I was there for her to go through all this. Right now, her son is 12 years old and wear a black belt ( karate ). She don't get STDs or whatsoever. She stayed with her man for over 10 years.

jillio

The fact of the matter is, she is a 17 year old child pregnant with another child. Children giving birth to children is never a good situation, especially for the child being born into that situation.

Teenaged marraiges have an even higher divorce rate than the general population, and the general population is well over 50%.

I can hear the shotgun going off at that wedding ceremony from here.

Why aren't Palin's daughter and the father of her child already married, if that is the intent? They have known about her preganancy for quite a while.

Did you teach your daughter abstinence only?

Jiro

so what do you propose? ban those? Abstinence does not work because by denying information and education about sex, they're naturally curious about it. It's human nature. Worst of all - they don't even know the consequence of sex. With proper education - we would know better and it will certainly help our judgment. My gf and I had sex education early on and that's why we did not have sex until late college year.

right.... which is why proper education is needed. Think about giving a gun or car to a person who does not know how to use it. We both know the outcome will not be pretty. By educating the consequence of sex... STDs... condoms... I think we can safely say the teens will exercise with caution.

really? you sure? That's quite an assumption you made there. She's hot and young..... one can assume anything

that's cool. but unfortunately - hundred of thousands of teen moms do not share that same happy ending like your daughter.

Maria

No, her old school taught her that. I don't have that " abstinence " in my old days when I attended schools.

jillio

Well, there you go. It didn't work, did it?

Jiro

Teen Divorces can contribute to Adult Divorces because well - teens become adults.

jillio

Yes, that's true. But the rate of divorce for couples that married as teens, and especially those that married just because of pregnancy, is still the highest of all the rates. Why? Because teens are not prepared to enter into lifelong committment to others...whether it is a life partner or a child. Teen parents also have higher rates of abuse and neglect of children, as well as death resulting from that abuse and neglect.

jillio

Using mothers' age at time of birth of the abused child, the younger the mother, the greater the rate of child abuse. However, there was not a significant relationship when mother's age was measured as age at time of abuse. Large families and minority children were also found to be at greater risk of abuse. The findings have implications for prevention of physical abuse at both the microsystem and macrosystem level. At the micro level, the findings confirm the importance of making contraceptives and abortion widely available so that motherhood can be postponed and family size can be controlled.

Mother's Age and Physical Abuse of Children.

Maria

I know. I don't think that Sex Ed class will always work. Somethin' that is needed to be done.

Jiro

that's quite a lot of assumption there. It sounds as if you want the schools to teach about abstinence. MOST of time - Proper Education works. Of course there are some failure rates but the benefits outweigh the cons.

Yes the teens will try out sex regardless of sex education program but don't you think it's best if they were educated about the sex - the consequence, the protection, STDs? It's a win-win for all. It will either teach teens to practice safe sex (thus reducing pregnancy rate) or to delay having sex until adult age.

I have several friends who are open with their parents. Open Mind, Understanding, and Proper Educations are key to better relationship & communication between kids and parents. If you want teens to talk to you about sex, then parents should not be hard-ass about it and preach about abstinence or any such thing..... like Palin

jillio

Byrdie714

Since they already know she is pregnant, why aren't they married now?