Palin's Daughter--Pregnant! - Page 16

**Maria** · 09-20-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I want to point out that if an individual wants freedom from religion--that means no religion.

Freedom of religion means that we have choices in which religion we want to partake in.

Just want to clarify that.

Oh, yes I know. I am perfectly aware of that.

**Jiro** · 09-21-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Maria

Why do you think I make it my problem ? It ain't MY problem. I CAN say my pieces here. There's NOTHIN' I can do IF, they chose what they want. I am here to debate my view, POV and all. I don't live their life. Understand ?

( It's like I am standin' with a picket that says what I voice against, but I don't walk across to the other side, the people who are pro-choicers who voice theirs. I'm just stayin' in my line and protest. )

ok but problem is - it's hypocritical of a person, who lives in a country with its own belief and principles, to speak out against that very belief and principles. For example - a communist American living in democratic America to speak out against democracy.

makes no sense, right? That person should be living in communist country, right?

If you remember the history - the creation and purpose of America is freedom of religion... so if the Americans want religious freedom - they can go live in a religious country (like.... Vatican City) whose policy and laws are controlled/influenced by the Church.

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-21-2008, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ~SG~

Mod's Note:

Some of the abortion posts moved to this thread. Do you support abortion as

for move abortion issues over my other thread...

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-21-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

If Americans want those freedom...so what? Why make it your problem? U choose what values and morals to live by but u cannot force them on others.

Yes, that´s right.

**Maria** · 09-21-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

ok but problem is - it's hypocritical of a person, who lives in a country with its own belief and principles, to speak out against that very belief and principles. For example - a communist American living in democratic America to speak out against democracy.

makes no sense, right? That person should be living in communist country, right?

If you remember the history - the creation and purpose of America is freedom of religion... so if the Americans want religious freedom - they can go live in a religious country (like.... Vatican City) whose policy and laws are controlled/influenced by the Church.

Yes, I can understand what you mean. Well, this America is a " diversity " country with multi-cultures and religions. I've learned that right now all the religions are in ONE religion with the same God in despite of their doctrine difference. Only very few of them don't join the same group. It's why this America is not really " America " anymore. It is changin' alot. No body knows the difference of " truth " anymore. They don't read black and white. They read only grey. Ok, now you mentioned about Vatican City -- well, one day Vatican City will become obsolete because, of its history.

09-21-2008, 09:58 AM

You guys aren't discussing religion in this thread, are you???

**Liebling:-)))** · 09-21-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

You guys aren't discussing religion in this thread, are you???

Yes, I notice it, too.

Hi gals and guys,

Please don´t discuss about religion issues here case the moderator might move my thread to Relgion sub-forum.

Hi Admin. & moderators,

Please don´t move my thread to religion sub-forum if you feel my thread is turn into religion issues then delete their posts.

**Maria** · 09-21-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

You guys aren't discussing religion in this thread, are you???

No, not exactly.

Lieblin',

If you feel that it is about " religion " please, accept my apologize. We will not discuss this afterwards.

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-19-2009, 02:16 AM

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Bristol Palin: ‘I don’t regret’ being a mom at 18

But Sarah Palin’s daughter still plans to campaign against teen pregnancies

Though she says she doesn’t regret being a mom at 18, Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol said she would campaign to prevent teen pregnancies.

“I don’t regret it at all,” Bristol Palin told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren Monday night in her first interview since giving birth to her son, Tripp, on Dec. 28. “I just wish it had happened in 10 years, not now.”

As governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin has been an advocate of abstinence-only sex education in public schools. But her daughter said that expecting teens to eschew the pleasures of the flesh is “unrealistic.”

Embracing motherhood

Bristol, who continues to live at home with her parents while finishing high school, said she enjoys motherhood. “I like being a mom. I love it. Just like seeing him smile and stuff, it’s awesome. It is very challenging, but it’s so rewarding,” she said.

She said she’s had plenty of practice caring for children. “I’ve been baby-sitting my whole life,” she said. What makes it tough is “realizing I’m not living for myself right now.”

Bristol’s pregnancy became national news just days after Sarah Palin was named Sen. John McCain’s Republican running mate last summer. Tripp’s father is Levi Johnston, Bristol’s classmate and a star on their high school’s hockey team. During the campaign, the governor said that Bristol and Johnston were planning a summer 2009 wedding.

The governor and her husband, Todd Palin, have been publicly supportive of their daughter throughout her pregnancy and after she gave birth. In an interview with TODAY’s Natalie Morales later in the Tuesday show, Lorenzo Benet, who wrote “Trailblazer,” a recently published biography of Sarah Palin, said that the pregnancy had not been in the governor’s master plan.

“Gov. Palin indicated it wasn’t the first thing she had in mind for her 17-year-old daughter,” said Benet, who is assistant editor of People magazine. “She wanted [Bristol] to finish high school, go to college, get a job. And I think it was really difficult for the family to come to grips with this over time. But also over time, Gov. Palin accept[ed] reality, and they moved on and seem to be doing quite well.”

Bristol told Van Susteren that she and the baby’s father want to get married, but not right now. Both are finishing school, and Johnston is looking to start a career. The teen mom described Johnston as a “hands-on” dad who’s very involved with Tripp. “He’s in love with him as much as I am,” Bristol said.

Breaking the news

She said that telling her parents she was pregnant was “harder than labor.” To break the news, she assembled her best friend and Johnston on a couch with her parents. But when it came time to tell her parents she was pregnant, Bristol said she felt sick to her stomach and couldn’t get the words out.

“My friend blurted it out,” she said, adding that her memory of the event is cloudy. “It’s something I don’t want to remember.”

In ways, Bristol’s reluctance mirrored her own mother’s difficulty telling her children more than a year ago that she was pregnant. Benet told Morales that Gov. Palin kept the pregnancy secret from her four other children as long as she could.

“Not discussing the pregnancy with her daughters, she felt, would shorten the process and spare them from unwanted attention,” Benet wrote in his book. Also, Sarah Palin was not sure how she’d react to having a baby with special needs. “"Not knowing in my own heart if I was going to be ready to embrace a child with special needs — I couldn't talk about it,” she told Benet.

“She had a difficult time getting her arms around it,” Benet told Morales. “For Gov. Palin it was prayer, a lot of reading, a lot of writing. She came to grips with it. The day he was born, I think, that’s when she really accepted him.”

Benet also reported that while Bristol was pregnant last year, she was living in Anchorage with her aunt and uncle, Heather and Kurt Bruce, and working at two espresso shops — while also attending West High School. Johnston remained 40 miles away in Wasilla, the Palins’ hometown, but the two continued dating.

‘My decision’

Sarah Palin is ardently pro-life, but Bristol said that didn’t affect her own decision to have her baby rather than terminate the pregnancy. “It doesn’t matter what my mom’s views are on it. It was my decision,” she told Van Susteren.

As Bristol, who is named for the home city of ESPN, spoke with Van Susteren in her parents’ home, Sarah Palin stepped into the shot cradling Tripp.

The governor has a 10-month-old son of her own, Trig, who has Down syndrome. She told Van Susteren she supports her daughter’s decision to be an advocate for preventing teen pregnancy.

“I’m proud of her to want to take on an advocacy role,” Sarah Palin said. “It’s not the most ideal situation, but certainly make the best of it.”

Bristol Palin: â€˜I donâ€™t regretâ€™ teen motherhood - TODAY People- msnbc.com

What do you think of this?

**Jiro** · 02-19-2009, 02:17 AM

<-- that's what I think

dreama · 02-19-2009, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

What do you think of this?

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I find it very interesting. It is really good that her mother is supporting her. She says it was her own decision to keep the baby.

Byrdie714 · 02-19-2009, 03:58 AM

She is contradicting herself by making statements that she wishes that she would've waited while glamourizing at being a mom at 18.

jillio · 02-19-2009, 10:08 AM

And, like we have all said numerous times, abstinence only education does not work, as it is "unrealistic" to expect teens not to have sex.

Many, many contradictions here: "I don't regret it" and "I wish it had happened 10 years from now instead of now." for instance, are contradictory statements. Wishing it happened at a later time is a regret that it happened now.

**Jolie77** · 02-19-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And, like we have all said numerous times, abstinence only education does not work, as it is "unrealistic" to expect teens not to have sex.

Many, many contradictions here: "I don't regret it" and "I wish it had happened 10 years from now instead of now." for instance, are contradictory statements. Wishing it happened at a later time is a regret that it happened now.

I think the picture here is - Bristol could have worded her statement differently. It sounds like Bristol was wanting some compassion to this by saying she does not regret having her child but at the same time she acknowledges that she made a mistake by not waiting until much later.

**Liebling:-)))** · 04-23-2009, 03:53 PM

Dad: Court fight possible over Palin’s grandson

Johnston says he wants to ‘go do the father thing with him and I can’t’

Levi Johnston told CNN's Larry King Live that it's an "uncomfortable thing" for him to visit his child Tripp, who is Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's grandson.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - The father of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's grandson said Wednesday he would be willing to go to court for custody of the child, but he hoped it wouldn't come to that.

Levi Johnston said on CNN's "Larry King Live" that he and 18-year-old Bristol Palin do not have a formal court agreement over visitation rights for their baby son, Tripp.

Bristol Palin, the governor's oldest daughter, gave birth Dec. 27 and the unmarried teenage parents broke up soon after that. Johnston has claimed in several national TV interviews that Bristol has limited his access to the baby.

"I can go over there and see him," Johnston said. "But it's, now you know, it's kind of an uncomfortable thing for me to go over there. You know, I want to be able to take him and that kind of thing, go do the father thing with him and I can't."

Johnston said he is not in a "big fight with the Palins." He still likes the family and wants to work out an arrangement over Tripp, whom he said he hasn't seen in a couple of weeks.

"I don't think either one of us want to go and go to lawyers and try to fight for custody and stuff like this," he said.

But if the situation doesn't change, "I think we're going to have to."

'I don't want to stir anything up'
Johnston initially said he didn't have a lawyer, but recanted later. When asked if saying he had a lawyer might anger the Palins, Johnston said: "I don't want to stir anything up."

Johnston's mother, Sherry, who appeared on the show with Levi's sister, Mercede, said they are prepared to press legal action for his rights as the boy's father.

"That is what we're going to have to do next," Sherry Johnston said. "We were just hoping that we wouldn't have to."

The soap opera surrounding her grandson has been embarrassing for the governor, the Republican vice presidential candidate last year who has been trying to maintain a national profile and is a potential presidential candidate in 2012.

Palin family spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton issued a statement on the Johnston interview, saying: "Bristol is focused on going to college, raising Tripp, and advocating abstinence."

However, in an interview earlier this year with Fox News, Bristol Palin said abstinence is "not realistic at all."

Levi Johnston agreed, telling King: "I think all teens, or most of them, are sexually active."

Johnston also said the couple never considered an abortion or adoption.

He said he was not seeking celebrity status by doing national television interviews, and said he hasn't been paid for any of them.

"I didn't ask to be thrown into this, so I'm not out here looking for fame. I'm just trying to get my story out," he said. "Let the people know what's really going on."

Dad: Court fight possible over Palinâ€™s grandson - More politics- msnbc.com

netrox · 04-23-2009, 05:11 PM

Knocked up at a young age, engagement called off, and now a possible custody fight.

I'd seriously regret if that ever happens to me!

Byrdie714 · 04-23-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Knocked up at a young age, engagement called off, and now a possible custody fight.

I'd seriously regret if that ever happens to me!

**Foxrac** · 04-23-2009, 05:18 PM

It don't make sense when Palin said don't sex before marriage and seems not work.

Palin got pwned.

**shel90** · 04-23-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Knocked up at a young age, engagement called off, and now a possible custody fight.

I'd seriously regret if that ever happens to me!

Yep, it is not easy as I am about to enter a custody battle with my ex hubby. Not easy at all and I can understand how Tripp feels cuz like him, I dont want to stir anything up. It sucks...big time.

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Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,038	Dad: Court fight possible over Palin’s grandson Johnston says he wants to ‘go do the father thing with him and I can’t’ Levi Johnston told CNN's Larry King Live that it's an "uncomfortable thing" for him to visit his child Tripp, who is Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's grandson. ANCHORAGE, Alaska - The father of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's grandson said Wednesday he would be willing to go to court for custody of the child, but he hoped it wouldn't come to that. Levi Johnston said on CNN's "Larry King Live" that he and 18-year-old Bristol Palin do not have a formal court agreement over visitation rights for their baby son, Tripp. Bristol Palin, the governor's oldest daughter, gave birth Dec. 27 and the unmarried teenage parents broke up soon after that. Johnston has claimed in several national TV interviews that Bristol has limited his access to the baby. "I can go over there and see him," Johnston said. "But it's, now you know, it's kind of an uncomfortable thing for me to go over there. You know, I want to be able to take him and that kind of thing, go do the father thing with him and I can't." Johnston said he is not in a "big fight with the Palins." He still likes the family and wants to work out an arrangement over Tripp, whom he said he hasn't seen in a couple of weeks. "I don't think either one of us want to go and go to lawyers and try to fight for custody and stuff like this," he said. But if the situation doesn't change, "I think we're going to have to." 'I don't want to stir anything up' Johnston initially said he didn't have a lawyer, but recanted later. When asked if saying he had a lawyer might anger the Palins, Johnston said: "I don't want to stir anything up." Johnston's mother, Sherry, who appeared on the show with Levi's sister, Mercede, said they are prepared to press legal action for his rights as the boy's father. "That is what we're going to have to do next," Sherry Johnston said. "We were just hoping that we wouldn't have to." The soap opera surrounding her grandson has been embarrassing for the governor, the Republican vice presidential candidate last year who has been trying to maintain a national profile and is a potential presidential candidate in 2012. Palin family spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton issued a statement on the Johnston interview, saying: "Bristol is focused on going to college, raising Tripp, and advocating abstinence." However, in an interview earlier this year with Fox News, Bristol Palin said abstinence is "not realistic at all." Levi Johnston agreed, telling King: "I think all teens, or most of them, are sexually active." Johnston also said the couple never considered an abortion or adoption. He said he was not seeking celebrity status by doing national television interviews, and said he hasn't been paid for any of them. "I didn't ask to be thrown into this, so I'm not out here looking for fame. I'm just trying to get my story out," he said. "Let the people know what's really going on." Dad: Court fight possible over Palinâ€™s grandson - More politics- msnbc.com __________________

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09-21-2008, 09:58 AM	#456 (permalink)
rockdrummer Guest Posts: n/a	You guys aren't discussing religion in this thread, are you???

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Byrdie714 Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8,941	She is contradicting herself by making statements that she wishes that she would've waited while glamourizing at being a mom at 18.

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jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	And, like we have all said numerous times, abstinence only education does not work, as it is "unrealistic" to expect teens not to have sex. Many, many contradictions here: "I don't regret it" and "I wish it had happened 10 years from now instead of now." for instance, are contradictory statements. Wishing it happened at a later time is a regret that it happened now.

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netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,780	Knocked up at a young age, engagement called off, and now a possible custody fight. I'd seriously regret if that ever happens to me!