Foxrac

I do care about earth but global warming is changing so slowly as sea level rises so slowly, it would be not happen for other 100 years, if earth is majority of CO2 then it would end up like Venus and human would become extinct due high temperature and dangerous heat, I don't want happen like that. I have alot of dream about fantastic technology in future as maintain earth so well. I don't want Miami, New Orleans, NYC, Tokyo, Hong Kong, London, Amsterdam, Bay area, some major cities in China and others to be flooded due sea level rises in future.

Yup, USA is #1 for using of CO2 but China is catching right now, it will be #1 in next decade or so, I believe that India would going to be #2 after China in next decade and USA will going down to #3.

Remember, plant more trees, it will absorb CO2, it keep lifetime.

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Foxrac

See? You really don't care about environment and wildlife animals so much, not gonna discuss with you more.

Not worth to drilling in AK, it wastes of our money and I hope that senators wouldn't pass to lift it.

Check my pst in other thread for more info.
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political...ml#post1011296

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Foxrac

Yup, agreed.

High gas price is part of life, life is always hard and try to visit Europe or other countries then you will see what happen, it's always pain in wallet.

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Reba

In other words, you can't support that statement.

Liebling:-)))

I do not see anything in links that Obama and his supporters criticizing McCain for being old?

I only want to say that there're good links, you provided because Obama criticizing positive for his people and country but I do not see anything that Obama belittle and negative McCain's name... but just like against with agree/disagree.

I didn't know that you have the problem with my misspelling...

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Liebling:-)))

I still do not see that Obama personally made negative toward McCain...

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Liebling:-)))

[quote]It make no difference either he has an experience or not. Like what Pacman said... Terrorists could be SMART than him and also Experts as well.

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Foxrac

What? You seems don't care about it and think about money is important.

I'm explaining about drilling in offshore or AK isn't answer, that what I got educated by my hearing friend that who studied in economic and some of environment, it will not make gas price goes down and keep google up whatever you want, it's your choice to believe or not.

You have gotta deal with high gas price, I had gave an some suggest in several month ago (such as getting economy car like Civic) and it doesn't meet your exception, even I can't help but just better to focus on other energy source or alternative fuel would very helpful to cut the energy cost for transportation.

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Angel

Do you drive to work everyday? A lot of us can not afford high gas prices, soon enough it could reach up to 10 dollars a gallon, something oughta be done about it...

Foxrac

Yup but I live closer to work, about 5 miles on 1 way and it took nearly 2 week to refill my car, however I just cut on driving time to shopping or other errands to few time per week, using train, bus and walk when to visit city center.

Yup, I do understand about gas price is really outrage but I was explain about drilling wouldn't help to cut the gas price in big time, it would probably several cents off, some left unchange or some are still rise. I just favor into other energy source or alternative fuel, that would very helpful to cut the energy cost in big time, only cons is we have to replace the vehicle to meet the standard and it will taking about decade to more common.

For me, I'm using common sense with life to prevent from bother on high gas price, such as move to place that's closer to work or other cities that's offers great public transportation, however I know it's not for everyone, such as farmers or employees that require to lift the heavy material to transport it or semi-truck that's shipping freight to retail or businesses.

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Byrdie714

Small part? It's not a small part of Alaska. The area in size is equilavent of North Carolina to Florida.

Besides we should utilize the wells that we have already placed in the Dakotas, Texas, E. Montana before exploring different areas. Secondly if we do drill for oil in ANWR and there is a disaster--it would affect more than one ecosystem (tundra, mountain, water ecosystems) whereas if we drill from North Dakota, only one ecosystem (land) is affected.

Jiro

Well - we know there is bound to be some disaster - a rupture in an incredibly long pipeline or oil factory explosion or etc. Once the accident happens - it's too late to save the last pristine wildlife. It is unrepairable and gone forever because it is incredibly sensitive to any damage and outside factors.

Jiro

no no don't diss Reba. She is objective and practical like me. In my previous post - I stated that I'd support ANWR drilling if it would make our gas price drops by even $1.00... or even $2.00 (which is quite significant) and produce at least 1/4th of Middle Eastern oil.

Funny thing is.... we all cry about these beautiful nature in Alaska because it's so beautiful in pictures and tv but the irony is..... i bet you 99.999% of us have never seen it with our own eyes in our lifetime so why do we care about it if we're never gonna see it in person? funny, huh?

Jiro

Earth is not wither away because of our damaging activity. It's the survival of humanity at stake. It's just that I don't want to see our remnants of civilization to be destroyed by our foolish mistakes. For example - maybe 100+ years later... NYC will be gone because of rising sea level. So we better do our best to make our civilization last for a long long time!

Jiro

I think this is good that gas price is up. This means we need to change our lazy wasteful way of life. This means urban planning will revolve around "green-friendly" lifestyle. More/better/efficient/faster mass transit, less traffic jam, more people will occupy empty lands (mid-west, in-land states, etc.) which will reduce the overcrowding issue on coastal zones, so on....

This is for good - a positive change in our life!

Reba

For starters, in your link:

"When Mr. Obama, 46, earlier this month said Mr. McCain was 'losing his bearings' for suggesting the terrorist group, Hamas, favored Mr. Obama, the McCain campaign issued an angry statement.

“'He used the words ‘losing his bearings’ intentionally, a not-particularly-clever way of raising John McCain’s age as an issue,'” said Mark Salter, a senior McCain aide."


How is Obama "positive" when those links showed that he "criticized" and "slammed" McCain?

OIC--if Obama criticizes McCain, that's positive; if McCain criticizes Obama, that's negative.

Be careful dear--your bias is showing.


It's disrespectful to misspell people's names, especially three times in a row.

Reba

Maybe this will help you understand:

Power Line: Help me, Senator Obama, I've fallen and I can't get up

Reba

I do care about the environment and wild animals but you haven't proven to me that drilling in the ANWR will destroy all that environment and animals.

Reba

Reba

It might not effect current prices right away but we have to look into the future and not be so short-sighted.

Do you want to wait to start new drilling and refining after the last drop of oil is gone? It's not just the cost of oil, it's the availability. Suppose foreign providers decide to quit sending oil to the USA? Where will we get our oil if the old wells dry up? We can't wait until the last minute to find new sources of oil. We need to be ready.


Of course we should all do everything that we can to conserve our resources. But driving a Civic is not a solution for the overall problem. Not everyone can drive a Civic. Manufacturing can't replace their petroleum products with Civics. Planes can't be replaced by Civics. Goods can't be delivered by 18-wheel Civics. We still need oil for many products and processes.

Reba

Alaska has 365 million acres.
Alaska has 300 million acres that are public lands.
ANWR is 19 million acres.
The area proposed for oil exploration is 1.75 million acres (an area a little larger than Delaware).


I have no problem with using all available wells.


There have been no "disasters" from current Alaskan or Canadian drilling.

The residents of North Dakota may take issue with you.


Another viewpoint:

Opening ANWR: Long Overdue

Reba

Such a major accident hasn't yet happened at any Canadian or Alaskan drilling or pipeline sites.

Actually, the earth can repair itself. Look at the sites where there were large volcanic explosions or wildfires or major earthquakes or floods. Within a few years, vegetation and animals return.

I'm not saying that's an excuse for recklessness or greed. We should still be safety conscious and environmentally aware. But we don't need to let caution freeze us in our tracks.