Nelson Mandela: A Villain Portrayed As A Hero

Banjo · 04-04-2008, 09:02 PM

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Nelson Mandela: A Villain Portrayed As A Hero

Nelson Mandela is a South African citizen who chose to place his private resentment of the existing Apartheid regime above the welfare of his country. He actively campaigned to replace a regime that gave order and wealth, with a regime that could only ever supply anarchy and poverty. But for helping to convert a prosperous, safe and stable community into an impoverished, unstable and dangerous community, he has won international plaudits, including the Nobel peace prize awarded in Oslo in 1993.

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Why I'm fleeing South Africa

I am leaving South Africa. I have lived here for 35 years, and I shall leave with anguish. My home and my friends are here, but I am terrified. I know I shall be in trouble for saying so, because I am the widow of Alan Paton.

Fifty years ago he wrote Cry, The Beloved Country. He was an unknown schoolmaster and it was his first book, but it became a bestseller overnight. It was eventually translated into more than 20 languages and became a set book in schools all over the world. It has sold more than 15 million copies and still sells 100,000 copies a year.

As a result of the startling success of this book, my husband became famous for his impassioned speeches and writings, which brought to the notice of the world the suffering of the black man under apartheid.

He campaigned for Nelson Mandela's release from prison and he worked all his life for black majority rule. He was incredibly hopeful about the new South Africa that would follow the end of apartheid, but he died in 1988, aged 85.

I was so sorry he did not witness the euphoria and love at the time of the election in 1994.But I am glad he is not alive now. He would have been so distressed to see what has happened to his beloved country.

I love this country with a passion, but I cannot live here any more. I can no longer live slung about with panic buttons and gear locks. I am tired of driving with my car windows closed and the doors locked, tired of being afraid of stopping at red lights. I am tired of being constantly on the alert, having that sudden frisson of fear at the sight of a shadow by the gate, of a group of youths approaching - although nine times out of 10 they are innocent of harmful intent. Such is the suspicion that dogs us all.

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A Simple Example Of Communal Decline

When a country begins sliding into oblivion it really is the little things that get to you. You wake up in the morning and turn to see what time it is. The clock is off. The electricity is off again. Sometimes for a few minutes, sometimes for a few hours, but it seems to happen more regularly than before.

You pick up the phone at work to make a call. Nothing. Your neighborhood is without telephone service again. You breathe a sigh of relief—at least if all the phones are out, they'll do something relatively soon to fix it. If it's just your own line, it can take days before they'll do anything.

After the power comes on, you turn on the television to watch a favorite program, and hope you get the right sound with the right picture. Sometimes you get the sound of one show with the picture of another. Sometimes it's just the one or the other. Or a radio station instead of the soundtrack. You've read the papers—a large number of the "old" employees have walked out of the broadcasting studios. They couldn't take it anymore. And since television is an arm of the government, their replacements are appointed politically, not because of their experience or ability.

You drive home after going out for dinner. Entire neighborhoods are without street lights. Well, to be more accurate they are without lights that work. And the lights have been out for months. The city has said it won't fix them.

These are the little things in South Africa today. These are the things that annoy. The big things are too frightening even to consider.

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Black Savages Murder White Farmer

A WHITE farmer was shot dead by President Robert Mugabe's ZANU-PF activists a day after the Zimbabwean leader vowed to push forward his land seizure plans with greater speed.

Terry Ford's final hours were spent trying to protect his property single-handed from a mob of 20 so-called war veterans, who beat him before killing him with a single bullet through the head.

Police ignored repeated telephone calls for help with the officer on duty telling Mr Ford that he could not come out to Gowrie Farm at Norton, 50km south of Harare, because his driver was fast asleep and must not be woken.

The police eventually arrived, more than six hours after Mr Ford's body was found by his cook, slumped beneath a tree.

"Terry was one of the most kind-hearted people in the world and all he wanted to do was farm," his fiancee Naomi Raaff said. "What has this achieved, other than the loss of a much-loved, innocent man?"

Yet people in Canada, the USA, United Kingdom and other countries write of Nelson Mandela in such a hagiographic way. It's disgusting. I met a man from South Africa. He is now living here with his family. He shared some quite scary stories about South Africa after Nelson Mandela took over the country.

He isn't a saint. That's for sure.

Macian · 04-04-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Yet people in Canada, the USA, United Kingdom and other countries write of Nelson Mandela in such a hagiographic way. It's disgusting. I met a man from South Africa. He is now living here with his family. He shared some quite scary stories about South Africa after Nelson Mandela took over the country.

He isn't a saint. That's for sure.

very interesting Banjo, i have never jumped on the Mandela bandwagon, he and his wife were nothing more than thugs during their pre jail regime, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with the cause, they should have equal rights, and rule their own country, but society as it is, picks out a figurehead regardless of their past or intentions, there are planty of other better suited figureheads than Mandela thats for sure.

Banjo · 04-04-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Macian

very interesting Banjo, i have never jumped on the Mandela bandwagon, he and his wife were nothing more than thugs during their pre jail regime, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with the cause, they should have equal rights, and rule their own country, but society as it is, picks out a figurehead regardless of their past or intentions, there are planty of other better suited figureheads than Mandela thats for sure.

His ex-wife, Winnie Mandela was barred from Canada last year after trying to gain access to the country. She was supposed to give a speech at an university somewhere or something like that.

Thankfully, my country did the right thing. She is nothing but a cold-blooded murderer who burned her victims alive.

Banjo · 04-04-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Macian

very interesting Banjo, i have never jumped on the Mandela bandwagon, he and his wife were nothing more than thugs during their pre jail regime, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with the cause, they should have equal rights, and rule their own country, but society as it is, picks out a figurehead regardless of their past or intentions, there are planty of other better suited figureheads than Mandela thats for sure.

Anyway, I get what you are saying. It's just astonishing how ignorant we are to the truth.

Macian · 04-04-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Anyway, I get what you are saying. It's just astonishing how ignorant we are to the truth.

yeah I heard about that banjo, but the media want a figurehead regardless, in my opinion it takes away the strength of their cause puting unsavoury figureheads at the helm, but the world seems to roll withitsadly.

Chase · 04-04-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Yet people in Canada, the USA, United Kingdom and other countries write of Nelson Mandela in such a hagiographic way. It's disgusting. I met a man from South Africa. He is now living here with his family. He shared some quite scary stories about South Africa after Nelson Mandela took over the country.

He isn't a saint. That's for sure.

Banjo, you must be referring to the popular media and its love of certain political science instructors who champion anyone remotely unfriendly to the old Union of South Africa. Most historians I know agree with your assessment.

Reba · 04-04-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

His ex-wife, Winnie Mandela was barred from Canada last year after trying to gain access to the country. She was supposed to give a speech at an university somewhere or something like that.

Thankfully, my country did the right thing. She is nothing but a cold-blooded murderer who burned her victims alive.

Correct!

Reba · 04-04-2008, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Yet people in Canada, the USA, United Kingdom and other countries write of Nelson Mandela in such a hagiographic way. It's disgusting. I met a man from South Africa. He is now living here with his family. He shared some quite scary stories about South Africa after Nelson Mandela took over the country.

He isn't a saint. That's for sure.

The story that you posted about the white farmer is similar to what happened to my cousin's family in Angola. Sadly, it's a common event. My cousin now lives again in the Portuguese Azores (home of our common ancestor). We share family information and pictures with each other. Recently, when I asked if he had any older family photos, this is what he emailed me (English is his fourth language so it's not perfect):

"Unfortunatly we dont have any fotos is a long history.
My Grand father sold all is properties in Flores Island [Azores] and bougth a big farm in Angola Africa with the civil War we were obliged to Run away only with the clothing that we were dressing and with war all house was distroyed and burned all foto albums were there.
Is why we dont have any pictures at moment. Fortunatly we save our lifes wasn't bad."

Banjo · 04-05-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The story that you posted about the white farmer is similar to what happened to my cousin's family in Angola. Sadly, it's a common event. My cousin now lives again in the Portuguese Azores (home of our common ancestor). We share family information and pictures with each other. Recently, when I asked if he had any older family photos, this is what he emailed me (English is his fourth language so it's not perfect):

Yes, it's quite common... and scary. Sometimes, the MSM can be our worst enemies. When it comes to Nelson Mandela, we can never count on MSM to report the facts.

But why is that? I just find that to be quite odd. Although, they did go ga-ga over Adolf Hitler before they realized what a monster he was.

Liebling:-))) · 05-30-2008, 09:47 AM

Quite interesting thread. I wasn't pay my attention about Nelson Mandela's history until I saw his history movie until release from long years from prison. A prison guard who can speak the same language as Nelson, wrote the story what he know Nelson and was experienced with him for long years. I do not see anything negative about Nelson in his history movie...

Yes, I heard bad reputation about South Africa... A lot of white african farmers were being murder and rapist by rebels but I am not sure that Nelson do something with those situtation.

I really have no opinion about Nelson but I am learning more about him in this thread here... since I learn about his history few weeks ago.

Liebling:-))) · 07-21-2008, 03:10 AM

500 guests party with Mandela for his 90th

South African legend, wife also celebrate their 10th wedding anniversary

500 guests fete Mandela for his 90th - Africa - MSNBC.com

Read long 2 pages in that link.

Happy 90th Birthday to you, Nelson Mandela!

Reba · 07-21-2008, 12:19 PM

Who wants to say "Happy Birthday" to this person?

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Mandela - The "Great Statesman"

"Nelson Mandela is a symbol, an icon, one of the world's most famous statesmen, recognised and revered by all. He dines with royalty, associates with the world's great leaders and his opinion is sought and valued on all weighty matters. He has achieved an almost divine status in the world, equal to that of the Pope or the late Princess Diana."

Most people on the left of the political spectrum would agree wholeheartedly with the above quote. But they run into an unexpected problem when someone asks "why is he considered such a great statesman?"

The problem is that Mandela, apart from having a likeable personality, has achieved next to nothing in his relatively short political career which saw South Africa rapidly decline to the status of the world's most violent and crime-ridden country, and, to add to the confusion, his greatest friends are communists and dictators like Fidel Castro, Moammar Qaddafi, Yasser Arafat and Saddam Hussein. His ex-wife Winnie Mandela, whom he quickly jettisoned when it became clear she was a considerable embarassment to his political career, is a self-confessed advocate of terrorism and violence and has even committed murder.

In his public statements and speeches Mandela is always critical of the democratic countries of the west, but has nothing but praise for the remaining communist dictatorships of the world. He condemns mistakes and controversial policies of the west, but refuses to publicly condemn the genocides and brutal repression of current or former communist countries; he is supposedly a "champion of freedom and democracy", the "hero of oppressed people everywhere" but considers dictatorships like Cuba and Libya shining beacons of freedom and justice...

Perhaps this is what makes Mandela such a revered statesman - chameleon-like he can advocate democracy and freedom as the highest ideals one day and hold up Cuba or Libya as shining examples for the world to follow the next day. And his admirers do not even notice the contradiction, or worse, they agree with him...

Many of his apologists optimistically claim that Mandela may well have had "communist leanings" in his past, but that he has since put all that behind him and become a moderate in his political beliefs. They are perhaps unaware of his fulsome praise of a communist dictatorship as late as 1991 when he and Winnie went to what they called their "second home" - Cuba - to celebrate the communist revolution with Fidel Castro. In his speech Mandela said:

"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."

Mandela's adulation of Castro and Cuba almost outshines that of his own admirers. In May of 1990 Mandela, visiting America, went on record, referring to Cuba:

There's one thing where that country stands out head and shoulders above the rest. That is in its love for human rights and liberty.

A week later in Libya, he lauded Qaddafi's:

Committment to the fight for peace and human rights in the world.

While in America Mandela also made public statements that amounted to support for violence and terrorism in the furtherance of political aims. In a speech in Harlem, referring to four Puerto Rican terrorists who shot and wounded five US Congressmen in 1954, he said:

We support the cause of anyone who is fighting for self-determination, and our attitude is the same, no matter who it is. I would be honored to sit on the platform with the four comrades you refer to.

Suitable "comrades" for Mandela indeed. He was himself originally incarcerated, not for his political views, but for involvement in 23 different acts of sabotage and conspiring to overthrow the government. He and his fellow conspirators of the ANC and the South African Communist Party were caught by the police while in the possession of 48,000 Soviet-made anti-personnel mines and 210,000 hand-grenades!*

It is also interesting to note that in later years Mandela was offered his freedom by none other than the South African President Botha if he would simply renounce the use of terrorism, but Mandela refused to do this.

Winnie Mandela has been equally fulsome in her praise of Communism and violence. In 1986 she was reported in Moscow's communist party newspaper Pravda as saying:

The Soviet Union is the torch-bearer for all our hopes and aspirations. We have learned and are continuing to learn resilience and bravery from the Soviet people, who are an example to us in our struggle for freedom, a model of loyalty to internationalist duty. In Soviet Russia, genuine power of the people has been transformed from dreams into reality. The land of the Soviets is the genuine friend and ally of all peoples fighting against the dark forces of world reaction.

and again at Munsieville, on April 13, 1986, she said:

With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.

referring here to her own specific brand of democratic political activity whereby anyone who opposed her would be bound hand and foot and then burned to death by means of a tyre filled with gasoline being placed around the neck and set on fire....

(More at How To Be A Good Communist by Nelson Mandela }

Not me.

Liebling:-))) · 07-22-2008, 10:06 AM

Many people consider him as an African hero whom US governments doesn’t but consider him as a terrorist. Surprise, his name in US Terror Watch list was being removed because Rice urged them.

I only know that he’s a peace-maker and support human rights and anti-discrimination. Please don’t try to blame him for what and how black people did to white farmers because he did not send his people to hurt white farmer but the people themselves. Remember, black people were being treated horrible by white Africans in the past, that’s why Mandela determines to have equal rights for all races. It's people who did it, not Mandela.

Black Africans would have no rights today if Mandela is not around. It’s Mandela who freed his people from inhumane and racists.

Yes, Mandela was a freedom fighter and fight for equal rights that’s he was with the ANC. He sacrificed his own freedom for his people and country.

My hubby’s cousin & her family were in South Africa for long 15 years until around 1986/7, they escaped back to Germany. During their experience, they were very rich and have own villa, swimming pool, 3 or 4 black servants in their villa. They paid their wages very cheaply… We said nothing when we look the pictures of cousin’s villa, etc when Aunt showed the pictures to us. We all feel bad for black people because white people look down to them and treat them as “slave”. It wakes black people up and start problem…. It wakes cousin & family up and knows it would risk their life so they escaped back to Germany.

I would recommend you to rent DVD Goodbye Bafana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its white African James Gregory who wrote his experience as prison guard where Mandela was spend long years in prison. I saw the movie at few months ago… It inspired me… I bided DVD at EBay and re-watch it… I realized now why Mandela doing. Yes, white Africans were very cruel to black Africans and have power over them and do what they want over them… no involve with black people etc. White Africans made fun of you if they see you involve with black people or befriend with black people. Black people suffer badly... until Mandela came... White Africans have no more power over black people...

His former wife Winnie was violent during Mandela's prison time...

All what I want to say is he's a good person and I respect him.

I agree with that link ...

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/04/10/163344.php

Long from top to bottom to 2 pages because it's an exactly what I saw on TV movies and DVD Goodbye Bafana

Reba · 07-22-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Many people consider him as an African hero whom US governments doesn’t but consider him as a terrorist. Surprise, his name in US Terror Watch list was being removed because Rice urged them.

I only know that he’s a peace-maker and support human rights and anti-discrimination. Please don’t try to blame him for what and how black people did to white farmers because he did not send his people to hurt white farmer but the people themselves. Remember, black people were being treated horrible by white Africans in the past, that’s why Mandela determines to have equal rights for all races. It's people who did it, not Mandela.

Black Africans would have no rights today if Mandela is not around. It’s Mandela who freed his people from inhumane and racists.

Yes, Mandela was a freedom fighter and fight for equal rights that’s he was with the ANC. He sacrificed his own freedom for his people and country.

My hubby’s cousin & her family were in South Africa for long 15 years until around 1986/7, they escaped back to Germany. During their experience, they were very rich and have own villa, swimming pool, 3 or 4 black servants in their villa. They paid their wages very cheaply… We said nothing when we look the pictures of cousin’s villa, etc when Aunt showed the pictures to us. We all feel bad for black people because white people look down to them and treat them as “slave”. It wakes black people up and start problem…. It wakes cousin & family up and knows it would risk their life so they escaped back to Germany.

I would recommend you to rent DVD Goodbye Bafana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its white African James Gregory who wrote his experience as prison guard where Mandela was spend long years in prison. I saw the movie at few months ago… It inspired me… I bided DVD at EBay and re-watch it… I realized now why Mandela doing. Yes, white Africans were very cruel to black Africans and have power over them and do what they want over them… no involve with black people etc. White Africans made fun of you if they see you involve with black people or befriend with black people. Black people suffer badly... until Mandela came... White Africans have no more power over black people...

His former wife Winnie was violent during Mandela's prison time...

All what I want to say is he's a good person and I respect him.

I agree with that link ...

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/04/10/163344.php

Long from top to bottom to 2 pages because it's an exactly what I saw on TV movies and DVD Goodbye Bafana

Do you deny Mandela's own words that support terrorists, communism and communist dictators?

shel90 · 07-22-2008, 01:47 PM

Is that the same Mandela who is strongly supported by Oprah?

Liebling:-))) · 07-23-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Do you deny Mandela's own words that support terrorists, communism and communist dictators?

I do not ignore or deny your post when I tried to provide the positive example about him... You seem to ignore it and interest his support for dictators/communists...

Okay, here is my answer:

So? Why fingerpoint just him when you know Bush did the same thing as well? Yes he support dictators and communists. Yes he shake his hands to them... I know it's not just Mandela or Bush but many presidents from many countries as well. What's your point? I have some ex-communist friends who want to go back communist again... It doesn't mean that they are bad person who see different view as us which they beleive in their is freedom than us.

I can't stand that anyone fingerpoint / accuse them as terrorists, communists, dictators etc when they are guilty the same thing.

Anyway, I still admire Mandela for what and how he did for his people and country. Yes, he fought for freedom.

It look like that Bush is a terrorist...

"I heard somebody say, Where's Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas" --- George W. Bush

Think Progress » Bush inartfully suggests Saddam killed Mandela.

Mandela still alive after embarrassing Bush remark | International | Reuters

I think they pissed on Mandela because he criticised Bush over Iraq war.

BBC NEWS | Africa | Mandela condemns US stance on Iraq

Would they (US Government) consider Mandela as their supporters/friends if he said to them that he support Iraq war ?

Reba · 07-23-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I do not ignore or deny your post when I tried to provide the positive example about him... You seem to ignore it and interest his support for dictators/communists...

Okay, here is my answer:

So? Why fingerpoint just him when you know Bush did the same thing as well? Yes he support dictators and communists. Yes he shake his hands to them... I know it's not just Mandela or Bush but many presidents from many countries as well. What's your point? I have some ex-communist friends who want to go back communist again... It doesn't mean that they are bad person who see different view as us which they beleive in their is freedom than us.

Then I guess all those Germans who fought and sacrificed their lives to fight against communist control of Germany wasted their efforts. I guess America's support for German reunification was wasted since you think communism isn't so bad.

If you say that Bush and other presidents do the same thing that Mandela did, then why do you criticize Bush and praise Mandela? You just posted that they "did the same thing."

You can't have it both ways unless you're a hypocrite.

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I can't stand that anyone fingerpoint / accuse them as terrorists, communists, dictators etc when they are guilty the same thing.

Oh, really? Even if the accusations are true?

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Would they (US Government) consider Mandela as their supporters/friends if he said to them that he support Iraq war ?

I don't think it makes any difference what Mandela thinks about the Iraq war.

Matilda · 07-23-2008, 09:14 PM

I agree with Banjo and Reba regarding Mandela.

South Africa is now a place of pain and turmoil because of him. Yet this man boasts at his handiwork and is rewarded a Noble Peace Prize .... for what? The mind boggles!

I was horrified with the world's hero worship at his recent birthday celebrations! That did not sit very comfortably with me at all!

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Originally Posted by shel90

Is that the same Mandela who is strongly supported by Oprah?

Yes, Shel ... he is Oprah's cherished friend! *smh*

Reba · 07-23-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matilda

...Yet this man boasts at his handiwork and is rewarded a Noble Peace Prize .... for what? The mind boggles!

Yasser Arafat got a Nobel Peace Prize, too--what's that tell you?

shel90 · 07-23-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Matilda

I agree with Banjo and Reba regarding Mandela.

South Africa is now a place of pain and turmoil because of him. Yet this man boasts at his handiwork and is rewarded a Noble Peace Prize .... for what? The mind boggles!

I was horrified with the world's hero worship at his recent birthday celebrations! That did not sit very comfortably with me at all!

Yes, Shel ... he is Oprah's cherished friend! *smh*

I was blind...seriously blind. Ugh!

I really need to educate myself on politics.

Matilda · 07-24-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yasser Arafat got a Nobel Peace Prize, too--what's that tell you?

I didn't know that, Reba.

Whatever happened to choosing worthy aspirants? *smh*

Liebling:-))) · 07-25-2008, 09:42 AM

I am total appalled over your comment here.

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Originally Posted by Reba

Then I guess all those Germans who fought and sacrificed their lives to fight against communist control of Germany wasted their efforts.

Huh? What is this issue do with this thread here ?

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I guess America's support for German reunification was wasted since you think communism isn't so bad.

Huh? Where have I say that communism is not bad? It doesn't mean that I support communism because I respect former communist friends' view over their hometown in East Germany before Berlin Wall pulled down in 1990s.

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If you say that Bush and other presidents do the same thing that Mandela did, then why do you criticize Bush and praise Mandela? You just posted that they "did the same thing."

You can't have it both ways unless you're a hypocrite.

Huh?

Okay let me get the fact straight...

Did Mandela send his soliders to attack other countries ?

Did Mandela label Bush as a terrorist because he freed Iraqis from Saddam Hussein ?

Why have Bush label Mandela as a terrorist because he fr

05-30-2008, 09:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 26,842	Quite interesting thread. I wasn't pay my attention about Nelson Mandela's history until I saw his history movie until release from long years from prison. A prison guard who can speak the same language as Nelson, wrote the story what he know Nelson and was experienced with him for long years. I do not see anything negative about Nelson in his history movie... Yes, I heard bad reputation about South Africa... A lot of white african farmers were being murder and rapist by rebels but I am not sure that Nelson do something with those situtation. I really have no opinion about Nelson but I am learning more about him in this thread here... since I learn about his history few weeks ago. __________________

07-21-2008, 03:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 26,842	500 guests party with Mandela for his 90th 500 guests party with Mandela for his 90th South African legend, wife also celebrate their 10th wedding anniversary 500 guests fete Mandela for his 90th - Africa - MSNBC.com Read long 2 pages in that link. Happy 90th Birthday to you, Nelson Mandela! __________________

07-22-2008, 10:06 AM	#13 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) My 3 darling princesses Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 26,842	Many people consider him as an African hero whom US governments doesn’t but consider him as a terrorist. Surprise, his name in US Terror Watch list was being removed because Rice urged them. I only know that he’s a peace-maker and support human rights and anti-discrimination. Please don’t try to blame him for what and how black people did to white farmers because he did not send his people to hurt white farmer but the people themselves. Remember, black people were being treated horrible by white Africans in the past, that’s why Mandela determines to have equal rights for all races. It's people who did it, not Mandela. Black Africans would have no rights today if Mandela is not around. It’s Mandela who freed his people from inhumane and racists. Yes, Mandela was a freedom fighter and fight for equal rights that’s he was with the ANC. He sacrificed his own freedom for his people and country. My hubby’s cousin & her family were in South Africa for long 15 years until around 1986/7, they escaped back to Germany. During their experience, they were very rich and have own villa, swimming pool, 3 or 4 black servants in their villa. They paid their wages very cheaply… We said nothing when we look the pictures of cousin’s villa, etc when Aunt showed the pictures to us. We all feel bad for black people because white people look down to them and treat them as “slave”. It wakes black people up and start problem…. It wakes cousin & family up and knows it would risk their life so they escaped back to Germany. I would recommend you to rent DVD Goodbye Bafana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its white African James Gregory who wrote his experience as prison guard where Mandela was spend long years in prison. I saw the movie at few months ago… It inspired me… I bided DVD at EBay and re-watch it… I realized now why Mandela doing. Yes, white Africans were very cruel to black Africans and have power over them and do what they want over them… no involve with black people etc. White Africans made fun of you if they see you involve with black people or befriend with black people. Black people suffer badly... until Mandela came... White Africans have no more power over black people... His former wife Winnie was violent during Mandela's prison time... All what I want to say is he's a good person and I respect him. I agree with that link ... http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/04/10/163344.php Long from top to bottom to 2 pages because it's an exactly what I saw on TV movies and DVD Goodbye Bafana __________________

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