Clinton & Obama together? - Page 2

Reba · 04-23-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

I don't see any of them support illegalize the guns, but I still prefer Obama over Hillary.

Did you actually read those references? They show that Obama and Hillary both want to restrict our 2nd Amendment rights.

Reba · 04-23-2008, 08:00 AM

About Obama:

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...the Illinois House and Senate passed legislation in May 2004 to protect citizens who use handguns in self-defense in their homes or businesses despite local handgun bans.

The House accepted the DeMar selfdefense bill by a vote of 86-25 and the Senate moved the legislation on a 38-20 vote.

And here lies the seminal moment for state Senator Barack Obama. When Obama turned thumbs down on the bill, he voted against the most basic element of the Second Amendment-- the right of defense of self and family-- the reason that millions of Americans own firearms.

When the governor vetoed the bill, Obama once again voted against a citizen’s right to self-defense. Despite his vote, the veto override passed the Senate and the House by overwhelming majorities, thereby enacting this bill into law.

Now, fast forward to today’s slippery oratory of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama just three years from being an unknown state senator--now morphed by the media into a spellbinding u.s. senator seeking to be president of the United States.

Using words like “protecting sportsmen,” Obama is now saying that he believes in the Second Amendment … but with almost universal exceptions, all of which he lists under the heading of “common sense gun safety laws.” “Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like endorsing the D.C. gun ban, which outlaws armed self-defense in the home--now being challenged before the u.s. Supreme Court. Obama, who as president would be in the position to nominate justices to that high court, has declared that the D.C. ban doesn’t violate the Second Amendment.

“Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? In a “1998 National Political Awareness Test,” he pledged to support a “Ban [on] the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons”--meaning most handguns and many rifles and shotguns that you and I own.

“Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like demanding that the federal government preempt the 40 hard-won state laws creating Right-to-Carry.

Here’s how the Chicago Tribune put it: “Obama said he opposed allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and that a federal law banning concealed carried weapons except for law enforcement is needed.” “Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like the draconian proposals funded to the tune of $18,000,000 by the rabidly anti-gun Joyce Foundation while Obama was an activist member of its board of directors.

Obama’s alleged support of the Second Amendment is utterly cynical and false. Barack Obama is not for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms; he`s out to destroy it.

National Rifle Association | Political Victory Fund

PuyoPiyo · 04-23-2008, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Did you actually read those references? They show that Obama and Hillary both want to restrict our 2nd Amendment rights.

Re-read this, and it is the most recently Obama speak about the gun's rights.

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Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)

So he is not going to support the federal ban on the guns except let the local decide.

About Hillary,

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Backed off a national licensing registration plan on guns. (Jan 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)

So neither of they are going to have a federal ban on the guns.

PuyoPiyo · 04-23-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

About Obama:

National Rifle Association | Political Victory Fund

I see, oh well.. I guess I am not going to let him or anybody, or even the laws to take my great grandfather's guns at my parent's away, I guess I am not going to vote this year, most of presidents are not my type and Obama seems are untrustable

Reba · 04-23-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Re-read this, and it is the most recently Obama speak about the gun's rights.

So he is not going to support the federal ban on the guns except let the local decide.

I can't read it without a link to the original story.

Edit: I found it!

Barack Obama on Gun Control

Foxrac · 04-23-2008, 08:28 AM

Gun ban in entire (UK style law) are definitely unconstitutional because of 2nd amendment, also can't repeal or revoke due bill of rights.

Gun ban is my least concern for 2008 presidential, however, I don't support anyone to bring gun to hospitals, schools, universities, workplace (except for service), public area and other area except for home or private area.

Foxrac · 04-23-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CCfan

Agreed. But I prefer to vote McCain if Hillary wins.

What's wrong with Hillary?

You know that her husband did made require to have CC on all TV in after 1993.

~♥~Pinky~♥~ · 04-24-2008, 08:34 PM

I don't agree with Obama!!!! He is wrong for not support Federal ban on the guns. If people need the gun to protect the family in inner cities. They must take a handgun license! It's lawful! That's not ok for everyone's need gun without license. It depend on criminal history. I'm against the gangs group!

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Re-read this, and it is the most recently Obama speak about the gun's rights.

So he is not going to support the federal ban on the guns except let the local decide.

About Hillary,

So neither of they are going to have a federal ban on the guns.

~♥~Pinky~♥~ · 04-24-2008, 08:39 PM

Me too!!! I will go to vote for Clinton for Democratic challenge Clinton Vs Obama. We want to rid of Obama. In Nov, it's election day. I will vote for McCain! :-)

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Originally Posted by CCfan

Agreed. But I prefer to vote McCain if Hillary wins.

Cheri · 04-24-2008, 08:45 PM

Gun control issue

Obama, Clinton and McCain

~♥~Pinky~♥~ · 04-24-2008, 09:00 PM

I'm disagree with you!

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

But some Americans see it as different.

You're support the Gay marriage! Are you gay or lesbian huh? Don't you believe in man and woman's marriage from bible? Huh

Well the abortion prevent the mothers from killing the children, or overpopulation. Sometimes legalize something bad do help.

Not that point! The reason why is mother want to abortion because of money, and bad drug father, disease can cause birth defect, doing drugs. If the mother have a disease or cancer. It's ok to abortion for reason. If she have no reason to abortion. It's murder! The bible book said.

Well I thought it's still illegal for any of people to bring the religious subject to the government system. Also I support the gun for protect rights.

Not that point! It's illegal for any of people bring a muslim and islamic bring a rifle to kill them. Don't you believe in god huh?

Okay, but I still prefer Liberal over Republic.

@ you! You know nothing about political! I rather Republic go

Liberal!

You against racist, but vote against on the same sex marriage? Anyway, sorry it's illegal for him to bring the race in the government system, except for protect the hate crime against the race.

You think so?? Ha Ha Ha! I am not racist. Obama does!!! I don't hate any skins. I am against Obama because he is not experience on leadership skill, not enough senator for years, not allow Illionis residents to do ballot for president only Obama, not support the federal's law with gun, let Terrorist come over here, and Anti-Christ. He will not go victory!

Of course, the Liberal don't support ANY of religions involvement with the government system because the people who support Liberal tend to believe that the religion should be personal business, not the government's business. Like what if there are people supporting ban the religion of Christianity, how would you feel about that? That is exactly how we the Liberal felt about those people who dislike the Liberal or support whatever would take our freedom away, or freedom only for one.

pardon me? God is under the America! If you don't believe in God or Jesus. You will go to the hell. God want to protect our country from terrorist. There is many different religion in America expect Muslim and Islamic. Muslim can be kill anyone in other countries. They hate the Christian and Jewish! Do you want to end the EARTH?? Do you want all us go die?? Don't you know the earth is 2 millions years old?? This is old earth! I am ready for replacement the earth by god. I believe in God and Jesus. I am not closed mind person. You're closed mind about God's Ten Commandents.

I am sorry being cocky on you. I don't agree with your opinion. It sound you don't believe in God. Don't mess around with me!

Byrdie714 · 04-24-2008, 09:11 PM

I received this email from my oldest brother who is a sergeant for the local police department in regards to gun control....

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A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

I Thought you might appreciate this . .

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. >From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. >From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,3 81 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.

~♥~Pinky~♥~ · 04-24-2008, 09:12 PM

You don't trust in Republican Party? How come?? Are you support Terrorist? I am Christian. My political is other not 100% of republican and not 100%. Just some of them. I do support Troops because of my husband. I'm anti-terrorism, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay Marriage. I do support the Economy, Green Earth, Less the government, Less the dictators and support the stem cell. I will go vote for Hillary next month. Then I will vote for McCain in Nov. I don't agree with Bush's decide. I wasn't happy with Bush's vetoed of Stem Cell. I need it for my personal health. I has a Retina. I believe in Stem Cell will heal to people who have a parkison disease, retina, blinds, paralyzed, and other. I don't trust Obama at all!!! He is support the Terrorist!

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Originally Posted by shel90

I am with you on that one. Religion should be kept out of politics, period. Really hate that Bush brought religion into politics.

Anyways...the Republicans screwed up this country for the past 8 years..time for some changes. I dont trust the Republican party.

Byrdie714 · 04-24-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

You don't trust in Republican Party? How come?? Are you support Terrorist? I am Christian. My political is other not 100% of republican and not 100%. Just some of them. I do support Troops because of my husband. I'm anti-terrorism, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay Marriage. I do support the Economy, Green Earth, Less the government, Less the dictators and support the stem cell. I will go vote for Hillary next month. Then I will vote for McCain in Nov. I don't agree with Bush's decide. I wasn't happy with Bush's vetoed of Stem Cell. I need it for my personal health. I has a Retina. I believe in Stem Cell will heal to people who have a parkison disease, retina, blinds, paralyzed, and other. I don't trust Obama at all!!! He is support the Terrorist!

You are voting Hillary and then in November, you are voting McCain?

Isn't that contradicting yourself?

Foxrac · 04-24-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

You don't trust in Republican Party? How come?? Are you support Terrorist? I am Christian. My political is other not 100% of republican and not 100%. Just some of them. I do support Troops because of my husband. I'm anti-terrorism, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay Marriage. I do support the Economy, Green Earth, Less the government, Less the dictators and support the stem cell. I will go vote for Hillary next month. Then I will vote for McCain in Nov. I don't agree with Bush's decide. I wasn't happy with Bush's vetoed of Stem Cell. I need it for my personal health. I has a Retina. I believe in Stem Cell will heal to people who have a parkison disease, retina, blinds, paralyzed, and other. I don't trust Obama at all!!! He is support the Terrorist!

No, Shel don't support terrorist, it has nothing with parties that support terrorist, also I'm democrat and not support terrorist, either.

There's alot of christians are in democrat party, some ADers are everal of them and I'm not because of atheist but rather to claim as no religion.

Republicans don't care so enough about green stuff, even most of them don't believe in global warming, shortage supply of oil, want drill in ground to get more oil and use alot of oil, such as use SUV to drive alot, also economy in this decade is worse than in 1990's.

Sorry, Obama support terrorist is hoax, if he did then he won't run for president.

~♥~Pinky~♥~ · 04-24-2008, 09:50 PM

Then why Obama's real name was Barry. He changed to Barack? it sound like Muslim. His dad is black muslim and from in Kenya, Africa. He got Barack to Muslim and terrorist school. His mom is white and atheist. It remind me of Osama Bin Laden. Everyone can recognize the names Obama and Osama sound are same. Everyone think Obama is relative to Osama Bin Laden.

Yeah I know I am not surprise about too many drill on grounds. Saudi Arab's own biggest OIL in the world! All Arab countries are control over the world with oil. I don't use SUV to drive. Truck is the expensive than cars. In 2000 and 2001 the gasoline price was 87 cent a gallon. Now it's 3.65! California, Alaska and Hawaii are the worst highest on gasoline. I am not 100% of Republican. I am Moderate and other. DAMN ARAB!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Pacman

No, Shel don't support terrorist, it has nothing with parties that support terrorist, also I'm democrat and not support terrorist, either.

There's alot of christians are in democrat party, some ADers are everal of them and I'm not because of atheist but rather to claim as no religion.

Republicans don't care so enough about green stuff, even most of them don't believe in global warming, shortage supply of oil, want drill in ground to get more oil and use alot of oil, such as use SUV to drive alot, also economy in this decade is worse than in 1990's.

Sorry, Obama support terrorist is hoax, if he did then he won't run for president.

shel90 · 04-24-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

You don't trust in Republican Party? How come?? Are you support Terrorist? I am Christian. My political is other not 100% of republican and not 100%. Just some of them. I do support Troops because of my husband. I'm anti-terrorism, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay Marriage. I do support the Economy, Green Earth, Less the government, Less the dictators and support the stem cell. I will go vote for Hillary next month. Then I will vote for McCain in Nov. I don't agree with Bush's decide. I wasn't happy with Bush's vetoed of Stem Cell. I need it for my personal health. I has a Retina. I believe in Stem Cell will heal to people who have a parkison disease, retina, blinds, paralyzed, and other. I don't trust Obama at all!!! He is support the Terrorist!

Support terrorists? Yea right!

shel90 · 04-24-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

I'm disagree with you!

pardon me? God is under the America! If you don't believe in God or Jesus. You will go to the hell. God want to protect our country from terrorist. There is many different religion in America expect Muslim and Islamic. Muslim can be kill anyone in other countries. They hate the Christian and Jewish! Do you want to end the EARTH?? Do you want all us go die?? Don't you know the earth is 2 millions years old?? This is old earth! I am ready for replacement the earth by god. I believe in God and Jesus. I am not closed mind person. You're closed mind about God's Ten Commandents.

I am sorry being cocky on you. I don't agree with your opinion. It sound you don't believe in God. Don't mess around with me!

Pls keep religion out of this and pls do not tell people that they will go to hell if they dont have the same beliefs. Just have some respect for different views and opinions. Thank you.

shel90 · 04-24-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

No, Shel don't support terrorist, it has nothing with parties that support terrorist, also I'm democrat and not support terrorist, either.

There's alot of christians are in democrat party, some ADers are everal of them and I'm not because of atheist but rather to claim as no religion.

Republicans don't care so enough about green stuff, even most of them don't believe in global warming, shortage supply of oil, want drill in ground to get more oil and use alot of oil, such as use SUV to drive alot, also economy in this decade is worse than in 1990's.

Sorry, Obama support terrorist is hoax, if he did then he won't run for president.

Thank you!

~♥~Pinky~♥~ · 04-24-2008, 09:56 PM

Yeah I do. I am not support Abortion and Terrorism. I do like Hillary Clinton but I'm worry about her right for abortion and gay marriage.

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

You are voting Hillary and then in November, you are voting McCain?

Isn't that contradicting yourself?

~♥~Pinky~♥~ · 04-24-2008, 09:58 PM

I am sorry to say that word. I mean heck. I don't tell people just one person who responded me.

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Originally Posted by shel90

Pls keep religion out of this and pls do not tell people that they will go to hell if they dont have the same beliefs. Just have some respect for different views and opinions. Thank you.

PuyoPiyo · 04-24-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

I don't agree with Obama!!!! He is wrong for not support Federal ban on the guns. If people need the gun to protect the family in inner cities. They must take a handgun license! It's lawful! That's not ok for everyone's need gun without license. It depend on criminal history. I'm against the gangs group!

I thought the guns sale are already only sale to liscensed people?

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Originally Posted by Pinky678

I'm disagree with you!

That's fine, it's okay to disagree.

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You're support the Gay marriage! Are you gay or lesbian huh? Don't you believe in man and woman's marriage from bible? Huh

Yes I am gay, but sorry I am not going to discuss about the religion due to the rule for this AllDeaf.

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Not that point! The reason why is mother want to abortion because of money, and bad drug father, disease can cause birth defect, doing drugs. If the mother have a disease or cancer. It's ok to abortion for reason. If she have no reason to abortion. It's murder! The bible book said.

Well if a mother cannot abort, then she probably are pressured to kill her already-born baby herself. I am personally pro-life, but I don't take other's rights away because it's not my business.

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Not that point! It's illegal for any of people bring a muslim and islamic bring a rifle to kill them. Don't you believe in god h

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