MilitaryGirl83

And ya know what my military friends told me? They said that they wish eveyrone was supportive of them no matter what. They dislike the attiudes of anti-war and anti-military. So it is hard enough on them! And you should really watch the show ARMY WIVES on lifetime and you probably should see what it is like in the millitary life so it's not even funny ok? There is a price you have to pay and guess what.. some of my military friends go to Iraq to do some trainings.. some computer works.. it is just more than fighting. MAYBE you should ask them what ranks are they and what jobs they do in Iraq before you open your mouth about anything anti-war!

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MilitaryGirl83

You mean Reba? Yeah she is a military wife herself and I am a military brat so.. we know what it is like.

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Foxrac

Short answer is no...

Anti-war is means people who against on war but support armies to stay in country and do something with mission in their home country, instread of cause massive death in horrible war, such as Iraq and Vietnam was old time, of course. Don't need be rant or blame at me or Liebling for being anti-war, that is our personal feeling and you need show some respect on personal feeling.

If people who don't support armies then supposed to call anti-military or anti-patriot.

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MilitaryGirl83

I do understand your feelings but those soliders go to war as they are ordered to.. they have NO CHOICE.. they can't back off? Some of them would go AWOL for a while but they would either go to jail to serve their time or get dishonorable discharged and they would have a hard time finding good jobs because of it.

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Tousi

No, I meant you & your great post! I gave Reba hers a long time ago...

Foxrac

You means if armies want to quit from war then they will go to jail?

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MilitaryGirl83

If they want to leave then they have to let their officals know that they want to deploy back to home and get out of the army but it requires paperworks and why it is a good reason to leave.. whatever it is. If they go AWOL means leaving and go into hiding somewhere without letting the military know where u are at and why u want to leave then yes you will get in serious trouble with them .. either dishonorable discharge or jail time. Military do not play and they have strict laws.

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MilitaryGirl83

Thank you, Ma'am! *salute you*

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Foxrac

Really? Now, I understand that they have no choice.

I'm blame on Bush for cause war, not blame on armies.

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MilitaryGirl83

I understand that.. war is never fun though. But you have to understand how hard those soliders work and you should be thankful though.

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Reba

Er, Tousi is a "Sir".

Reba

BTW, did you know that "Army Wives" is filmed in Charleston? (Just down the road from me.)

MilitaryGirl83

Oh NO.. I didn't know that.. thanks.. its my favorite show.. did u watch that show also?

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akoutsourais

But.....I have never heard of it before. Many friends of mine got back from the war. They're fine. But they are not to prefer to talk about it.

oh well if they are fine, your anecdotal evidence must be spot on!

One of my friends has been to Iraq for 7 times. Because he's sick of listening to the anti-war protesters on the NEWS. He told his CO (Commanding Officer) that he wants to go again.

haha, what news are you watching? I force myself to watch the corporate media and I have yet to see any real coverage of protest that happen. I will pray, should he ever head back, that he returns soon alive with the rest of his comrades.

Come on, most of the Iraqi kids were happy to see the US soldiers. Soldiers gave them the candies and play with them. But the news won't tell you because they wants money.

what kid isn't happy to get candy? Yeah that should be the measure of a "successful war/occupation" Turn your head from the women now wearing Burkas and leaving school out of fear. Turn your head away from the shanti towns popping up all over Iraq. Turn your head away from the Christians fleeing to Syria. Turn your head away from the dismal access to utilites. The kids got candy! I hope the dentists stick around Iraq. Must be misson accomplished!

Iran gave the arms to Iraqi insurgents such as IEDs, RPGs, AK-47 and more most of the news won't tell you.

So then who told you this? The same government who said there were WMDs? The same government who said the Iraqis would great us as liberators?

Let's say it's true (I wouldn't be surprised), big deal. How is it any different than the US supplying arms to what is now the Taliban for use in fighting the soviets. How is it any different that the US supply both Iraq and Iran in their war?

One injured Iraqi kid. US Army helicopter, Blackhawk, will take the kid to a hospital. News won't tell you.

are you for real? Huge media coverage of the baby who came to America to fix her spine. I have no doubt, even if I didn't have the propaganda that the media feeds me, that the soldiers there are human and compassionate.


Look at what President Bush and Homeland Security has done? There are no single attack by a terrorist since 9/11.
this again? WHAT ABOUT THE ANTHRAX. What about our government terrorizing Americans through fear?


Pacman, that won't works, anyway.

How come I'm a only guy here on AD that comes with positive words for the war? Most of you come with negative words for the war. Oh, Christ, help me. I need a therapist like a caveman having problem with the Geico's quote, "So easy a caveman can do it."

Maybe because there isn't much positive about this war. Just death of Americans and Iraqis. Saddam is gone...yay, doesn't really mean much to me. He wasn't worth all this. It would have been better for Iraqis to do it themselves, then it would mean something to them. They would have the same problems they have now, except we wouldn't be occupiers.

akoutsourais

Not the person this was in response to, but it's NOT THEIR mission. It's their job. They didn't wake up one day and say "I think I'll chance getting myself killed, if I'm really lucky maybe I can kill them before they do me". No it was the jerks in the white house who sent them there. Guess what, I'm a tax payer, I'm the boss of the President and the military. If I think killing our soldiers and Iraqi is a horrible "mission" then I will say so as that is really the only option I have (don't give me the voting thing, I don't believe that means anything any longer). If I don't, I'm not taking part in democracy, I'm talking part in Fascism. Maybe I should just go shopping for a yellow ribbon, every time one of our soldiers is killed.

She doesn't collect a check from the war-mongers. She (i'm assuming she for some reason) collects a check from ME, the tax payer. The war-mongering white house does not own this country or it's money, though they seemed to think they do, and sadly so do many of our fellow citizens.

akoutsourais

Well I was an ARMY brat, am now married to a former Russian Interpreter for the Air Force.

So your dad "fought for my freedoms" to just tell me to SHUT YOUR MOUTH?. My father supports this war 100%, but my father taught me what he was REALLY fighting for, and that was for me to have no fear in voicing what I feel is right and just. My dad taught me, that my part in democracy is to never let our military be taken for granted by our government.

But even he can't tell me when any war was fought in defense of my freedom. Even the American Revolution was fought for rich white guys to get even richer, but at least in that war many of those rich white guys fought for it themselves also.

akoutsourais

So are you saying that we should shut up or speak up depending how our soldiers feel? THAT'S the freedom you say they are defending for me right now? Wow, that almost sounds like you would wish us to be a military state instead of a democracy.

Reba

She works on an Army base in Germany for the U.S. Army. Her work supports the same war effort that she despises.

Reba

Military service is not a "job".

No, but they are all volunteers, and they knew what they were potentially getting into. They don't enjoy war but they don't shirk from their duty either.

akoutsourais

true, but the money she collects is paid by you and I. It's OUR money.

javapride

here in hawaii VERY RECENTLY had a murder happening here, one guy killed his unborn son, and his son in a fit of rage, HE JUST returned from tour of duty and as Awful as it was, his 14 yr old son died a hero, he saved his mother's life unfortunely he was stabbed in the neck along with his unborn son who was fatally stabbed by his father which was HARD and awful as it was. all he did was say fuck this im killing the baby, cuz in hawaii. u can't be arrested for murder of a unborn fetus which just makes me sick! i wished they wld charged him for that SO HE would relize he killed 2 innocent poeple one who never had a chance to see the world! sick prick!

Liebling:-)))

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The war-supporters are ignorant and do not understand those difference. *shake my head disguistly. *

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akoutsourais

Yes it is a job to many. I tried enlisting when I was 17. The only reason I wanted to enlist was for college, as my father's military pay didn't cut it. My recruiters always had little functions for their potential recruits. I went to school with many of them. Excluding one, none of us were signing up to defend freedom, protect oil, spread democracy, stop genocide, overthrow governments, etc. We wanted to join for college money, for a paycheck (hence "job"), to escape poverty, or maybe just for some direction.

Yes they enlist expecting to defend our Constitution, foreign and domestic. This administration treats our constitution as toilet paper. I can't find one correlation between our occupation of Iraq and the oath these men and women took when they enlisted. The military should never shrink from their duty, as I don't want the military deciding our foreign policy. Which is why it is imperative for civilians to do THEIR duty and not stand for the bulls#$% (btw is it ok to swear on this board?). Defense of our democracy and freedom is not just the military's job. Without the citizens outcry/support it's just covered up fascism.

and btw, they may just have not known exactly what they were in for. My father spent 2 years as a recruiter. When it came time for me to enlist I was forbidden from talking with my recruiter without my father present. Want to know why? Because my father knew that some will lie and exaggerate to meet their quota. My father hated that job, as while he thought the ARMY was wonderful for him, he didn't think it was for most, and felt the need to tell it like it really was.

Liebling:-)))

See? That´s why I support soliders and agree with them that it´s not necassary to go Iraq. Why they are force to go there then?

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