Why the World Hates the US?

07-19-2006, 10:15 PM

Playing a large role in world affairs would be expected of a superpower, yes.

But purposely going out of their way in dozens of nations to pave the way for corporations and exploitation of indigenous peoples/resources all over the world and promote capitalist ideology at any cost? I don't think that's a 'given' just because the U.S. is a superpower. It is pure greed, selfishness, and evil.

Do you even realize the number of interventions the U.S. has been a part of, the cost of human life on both sides, and the absolutely fucking stupid justifications (unless you're a greedy, sociopathic imperialist) for these incidents?

excerpted from somewhere else:

"Afghanistan. 24,000 Dead. Obviously invaded for oil. Afghanistan had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. And the decision to invade Afghanistan was made long before 9/11.

Columbia. 67,000 dead, including many human rights members and members of the leftwing movements. oppressive, militia (government) funded by the U.S.

Cuba - constant threats, plots, plans to ruin that country. The U.S government planned to kill it's own citizens in planes flying over Miami and elsewhere (including space) to blame it on Castro. Known as Operation Northwoods - all of the documents have been declassified, any one who wants to know how much their government really cares for them can read them, but as a senator said, it doesn't matter because "American's don't read".

Guatemala. 200,000 dead. Military armed, trained and funded by the U.S, and coups organised by the CIA.

El Salvador. 75,000 dead. As above: death squads armed by the U.S.

East Timor. 200,000 dead. U.S supplied the murderous Suharto regime with its weapons - against the wishes of the EU and the UN.

Haiti - supported the brutal Duvalier regimes, opposed the popular Aristide government, and overthrew him recently.

Somalia. 10,000 dead.

Nicaraguan. 13,000 dead. The U.S was condemned by the international criminal court for unprovoked terrorism (the first and only nation to be so), but simply vetoed this.

It goes on and on and on, 4 million alone were killed in Vietnam, adding up all of the death tolls since 1945 reveals a staggering amount of human life extinguished because of the power-politics of the U.S. Whether you agree with my premise or not, the simple fact is that the bullish (and that's a polite word for it) behaviour of the U.S provides a much more logical, rational reason why terrorist despise you than the nonsensical, they-just-hate-our-freedoms rot does."

Keep in mind that many over the governments that the U.S. overthrew were popular or elected, but because they were 'socialist,' meaning they wanted to help their people and not have them exploited by international corporations, they were destroyed.

Do you at least now have a glimpse of why so many millions fucking hate the U.S.?

And don't give me that "Cold War" bollocks. The U.S. was just as much a threat to freedom, liberty, and life as the Soviet Union was. Just refer to the above list. The only difference between the two nations is that domestically, Americans were better off. But concerning foreign powers, the behavior of the US and USSR both was fucking heinous, murderous, and horrible.

***VamPyroX*** · 07-19-2006, 11:41 PM

I agree with how the other countries feel.

America tells others "you can't do that" while America does it themselves. That isn't fair.

pek1 · 07-20-2006, 12:58 AM

Who actually cares what others think of us. They're just jealous because we have more freedoms over here and our women don't have to wear those stupid pajamas all the time and the men don't.

me_punctured · 07-20-2006, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pek1

Who actually cares what others think of us. They're just jealous because we have more freedoms over here and our women don't have to wear those stupid pajamas all the time and the men don't.

Are you saying that women who doesn't live in the U.S. are forced to "wear those stupid pajamas?" I didn't realize that the majority of the world wore them!

By the way... I suspect you're talking about the burqa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

Opal · 07-20-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pek1

Who actually cares what others think of us. They're just jealous because we have more freedoms over here and our women don't have to wear those stupid pajamas all the time and the men don't.

I strongly disagree - I don't think American is the only country has more freedom - we do! whoopoo doo!! We are not jealous - to be frankly we are glad to be European-Australians - because everytime we are in other countries, they asked where do we come from after listening my husband and daughter's accents, I heard Americans pretend to be Canadians!!! Bigot!!

Most American people don't have the high standard of living compared to some of countries I have visited.

I am not anti-American but I am anti-American policies as I don't have time to talk deeper. Thank you.

Cheri · 07-20-2006, 06:08 AM

How can I say I blame them, I am an American myself, and I don't approve a lot of things that United States have done, like wars with another countries, in and against Iraq was a mistake. I'm not happy with how the result was going and it's a never ending war in and against Iraq. If United States want to keep the terrorism from entering the United States, that's fine, but going off in another country and start a war is just not the right way to put it. We went to war in Iraq that has nothing to do with 9/11. I don't know wtf made Bush thinking that it was related to 9/11. United States needs to get their fact straight, before they make a fool out of themselves, which they already have. It's not our fault the American people, It's the President, the Congress and it's people who thinks we need this war. It disgusted me as well. U.S. troops are being killed over this stupid war that wasn't even necessary to take place.

pek1, It has nothing to be with being jealous of our country or our United States. It has something to do with how we go too far with attacking other countries, creating a war that has nothing to do with United States itself, We should mind our own business what's going on in Iraq.

I believe that United States is just on the roll of falling apart, spending tons and tons of money on a war alone, we need better schools, people needs better job, we need our government to help us because we are American people, those Iraq are not American people, and their country itself is not part of United States, Why do we have to bugged in?

If United States don't want terrorism bombing our place of home, then stop them by not letting them enter our country, there's always ways to prevent that, but they didn't have a strong security during that time, who's fault is that? It's theirs! The government, the Congress...

sr171soars · 07-20-2006, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

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If United States don't want terrorism bombing our place of home, then stop them by not letting them enter our country, there's always ways to prevent that, but they didn't have a strong security during that time, who's fault is that? It's theirs! The government, the Congress...

No, there is no way to prevent all attempts to attack us here in US. That is wishful thinking. It happened before and it will happen again...just a matter or time.

The strategy of doing war overseas is partly a calculated plan to take the "war on terrorism" to them. The administration rightly figured that Americans would prefer the action to be elsewhere. How many of you would prefer random bombings anywhere/anytime in the US? Would you feel safe to go anywhere if this were the case? Who would you be blaming if it did happen? Of course, the gov't...so the gov't is condemned if they do and if they don't. So far, we been fortunate even for the successful "stings" we had recently about attempts to do real harm. Part of that is that success (at home) is that we are over there. I'm not saying something won't happen here but there is probably less of it due to the war. The real problem in Iraq is the administration's mishandling and inadequate planning efforts after we went over there and got rid of Saddam.

guido · 07-20-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by florencegale182

"Afghanistan. 24,000 Dead. Obviously invaded for oil. Afghanistan had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. And the decision to invade Afghanistan was made long before 9/11.

As anti-Imperialist as I am, I have to say this: Oil could not possibly be the motive for invading Afghanistan. It is not an oil rich nation, by far. Although, I'm sure there is more to it than "the Taliban is harboring Osama bin Laden," oil is not it. So therefore I can conclude that many of these other statements are nothing more than speculation and skewed facts.

EDGE · 07-20-2006, 11:49 AM

Middle Eastern hate US because of ....

freedom, gay, sex, protect violence, greedy, shave leg, modern building, waste gas on SUV...... I'll think of more. :D

GalaxyAngel · 07-20-2006, 12:23 PM

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Opal's wrote: I heard Americans pretend to be Canadians!!! Bigot!!

I wasn't even aware knew about this.. Since you knew and how long have been those word coming from?

sr171soars · 07-20-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EDGE

Middle Eastern hate US because of ....

freedom, gay, sex, protect violence, greedy, shave leg, modern building, waste gas on SUV...... I'll think of more.

I agree on some of these things they don't like but not all of them.

They do the same on wasting gas in SUVs. Heck, the price of gas is something like 25 cents or less on the gallon (for them). SUVs are all over the place in the Arab world. There are lots of Mercedes too!

You haven't seen Dubai City lately have you? There are lots of modern buildings (just google it).

pek1 · 07-21-2006, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

We went to war in Iraq pek1, It has nothing to be with being jealous of our country or our United States. It has something to do with how we go too far with attacking other countries, creating a war that has nothing to do with United States itself, We should mind our own business what's going on in Iraq.

I believe that United States is just on the roll of falling apart, spending tons and tons of money on a war alone, we need better schools, people needs better job, we need our government to help us because we are American people, those Iraq are not American people, and their country itself is not part of United States, Why do we have to bugged in?

If United States don't want terrorism bombing our place of home, then stop them by not letting them enter our country, there's always ways to prevent that, but they didn't have a strong security during that time, who's fault is that? It's theirs! The government, the Congress...

Actually, I agree with you 100 percent, Cheri!

***VamPyroX*** · 07-21-2006, 01:03 AM

If you look at it this way, we're acting in accordance with our own definitions... but what about in the view of others.

For instance, we look at other religions that are non-Christian and call them cults. What about those who are non-Christians? How do they perceive us? We could be considered cults to other religions.

Back to the war in Iraq... who started? I don't remember Saddam starting anything. I haven't seen anything that appears as if Saddam launched a rocket against us, sent bombers against us, sent ships after us... nothing.

Think of it this way. You and me are enemies. I don't like how you do things. You don't like how I do things. However, I punch you in the face. When people ask me why I punched you in the face, my defense would be... "He/She was gonna hit me."

That's what Bush has done. "Iraq was gonna do something bad to us. So, I had to hit Iraq first."

Now, doesn't that comment sound a bit... childish?

EDGE · 07-21-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

I agree on some of these things they don't like but not all of them.

They do the same on wasting gas in SUVs. Heck, the price of gas is something like 25 cents or less on the gallon (for them). SUVs are all over the place in the Arab world. There are lots of Mercedes too!

You haven't seen Dubai City lately have you? There are lots of modern buildings (just google it).

I already know about Dubai City, it's very few of them accept the west culture. They care for money from celebrity :) And they build cool resident over sea.

Hmm.. France hate US cuz of Lance Armstrong, shave underpit, weak coffee and umm.. I dunno! :D I thought that interest that in past, France help US in revolution 1734, and build build cool status at NYC, then now... US help France twice from WWII, Vietnam War and ummm I dunno. :D

07-21-2006, 01:49 PM

Why you think arabs become suicide bombers? Cause theyre sick,,Im Talking about sick in health.Middle east nations dont have decent medicine or decent quility doctors like USA,Japan and Israel has.Thats why they jump on an airplane blow it up with innocent people or blow themselves up in front of big crowd cause they know the other side of the coin is paradise with allah.Why you think Palestine kids wanna become suicide bombers? Cause Gaza is very poor and doesnt have rivers or streams like Isreal has and Israel took their land away from them in 1948.

Opal · 07-21-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GalaxyAngel

I wasn't even aware knew about this.. Since you knew and how long have been those word coming from?

Since 11th September.

If you type "Why American pretend to be Canadian Tourist", it has lots of info for you to read in google page.

MaxUFC · 07-21-2006, 06:47 PM

Maybe we are fattest people in the world?.

Maybe, they hate our american sports like Lance Armstrong?

Or our own measure : feet-foot, inches, weight, lbs, etc...

Just not going there where much anit-USA.

Liebling:-))) · 07-31-2006, 10:21 AM

mmmhhh interesting thread here. I´m agree with Cheri and Vampy on this.

We found out that Irak is not responsible for 9/11 but Bush himself!

We (Europeans) suspect that Bush do something with 9/11, not Irak because he wants his people to agree with him to attack Irak for "that". Really truth is Bush see after Irak´s oil.

Question:

Why approx. 5,000 employees in Twin Center were on vacation one to few days before 9/11?

Why the bomb under the car park of Twin Center?

It seem pretty illogical to me.

Liebling:-))) · 07-31-2006, 10:37 AM

Interesting...

5-Minute Video of George W. Bush on the Morning of 9/11
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm

GalaxyAngel · 07-31-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

mmmhhh interesting thread here. I´m agree with Cheri and Vampy on this.

We found out that Irak is not responsible for 9/11 but Bush himself!

We (Europeans) suspect that Bush do something with 9/11, not Irak because he wants his people to agree with him to attack Irak for "that". Really truth is Bush see after Irak´s oil.

Question:

Why approx. 5,000 employees in Twin Center were on vacation one to few days before 9/11?

Why the bomb under the car park of Twin Center?

It seem pretty illogical to me.

Yeah, Right.. I believe sumth'n Bush's behind his back and has done for.. 9/11 which I saw the true story t.v. showing about Bush's source who involved and already spill the beans about him and proof the doucement meeting which forgot shredding.
Same thing I did post other thread.. I think related DHB's thread about 9/11 (not sure)

Your Mom · 07-31-2006, 11:15 AM

They hate us because we posess all the qualities you would hate in a friend, we are pushy, arrogant, dominate, controlling, rude and non empahthetic.

Kalista · 07-31-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Interesting...

5-Minute Video of George W. Bush on the Morning of 9/11
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm

How come it is cutting off the film?

GalaxyAngel · 07-31-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalista

How come it is cutting off the film?

quite good question.. I wish I could knew.. Why they are cutting off the flim..

Liebling:-))) · 07-31-2006, 12:27 PM

Yeah, I know.

diehardbiker · 07-31-2006, 12:32 PM

Actually Saddam did started, but in other way. He decided to invade Kuwaiti! That is where the mess started. The first Bush made huge mistake by being lenient with Saddam, the agreement for ease fire in the desert storm was disarment of WMD. Then that is when Bush ease fire with Iraq, then he left the office and Clinton took over the office, what he did with Iraq? NOTHING! Then the second Bush came in, and ask Saddam what he had done with WMD, Saddam refused to cooperate. So, *IF* Iraq never invade Kuwaiti, then I'm sure we won't be in mess with Saddam. I believe Saddam invaded Kuwaiti because it is oil rich, and Saddam WANTS it so badly! I think that is how people assume that American politicans were after Afg, Iraq all because of greedy with oil, but reality it was Saddam that started it.

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

If you look at it this way, we're acting in accordance with our own definitions... but what about in the view of others.

For instance, we look at other religions that are non-Christian and call them cults. What about those who are non-Christians? How do they perceive us? We could be considered cults to other religions.

Back to the war in Iraq... who started? I don't remember Saddam starting anything. I haven't seen anything that appears as if Saddam launched a rocket against us, sent bombers against us, sent ships after us... nothing.

Think of it this way. You and me are enemies. I don't like how you do things. You don't like how I do things. However, I punch you in the face. When people ask me why I punched you in the face, my defense would be... "He/She was gonna hit me."

That's what Bush has done. "Iraq was gonna do something bad to us. So, I had to hit Iraq first."

Now, doesn't that comment sound a bit... childish?

07-19-2006, 10:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
florencegale182 Guest Posts: n/a	Why the World Hates the US? Playing a large role in world affairs would be expected of a superpower, yes. But purposely going out of their way in dozens of nations to pave the way for corporations and exploitation of indigenous peoples/resources all over the world and promote capitalist ideology at any cost? I don't think that's a 'given' just because the U.S. is a superpower. It is pure greed, selfishness, and evil. Do you even realize the number of interventions the U.S. has been a part of, the cost of human life on both sides, and the absolutely fucking stupid justifications (unless you're a greedy, sociopathic imperialist) for these incidents? excerpted from somewhere else: "Afghanistan. 24,000 Dead. Obviously invaded for oil. Afghanistan had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. And the decision to invade Afghanistan was made long before 9/11. Columbia. 67,000 dead, including many human rights members and members of the leftwing movements. oppressive, militia (government) funded by the U.S. Cuba - constant threats, plots, plans to ruin that country. The U.S government planned to kill it's own citizens in planes flying over Miami and elsewhere (including space) to blame it on Castro. Known as Operation Northwoods - all of the documents have been declassified, any one who wants to know how much their government really cares for them can read them, but as a senator said, it doesn't matter because "American's don't read". Guatemala. 200,000 dead. Military armed, trained and funded by the U.S, and coups organised by the CIA. El Salvador. 75,000 dead. As above: death squads armed by the U.S. East Timor. 200,000 dead. U.S supplied the murderous Suharto regime with its weapons - against the wishes of the EU and the UN. Haiti - supported the brutal Duvalier regimes, opposed the popular Aristide government, and overthrew him recently. Somalia. 10,000 dead. Nicaraguan. 13,000 dead. The U.S was condemned by the international criminal court for unprovoked terrorism (the first and only nation to be so), but simply vetoed this. It goes on and on and on, 4 million alone were killed in Vietnam, adding up all of the death tolls since 1945 reveals a staggering amount of human life extinguished because of the power-politics of the U.S. Whether you agree with my premise or not, the simple fact is that the bullish (and that's a polite word for it) behaviour of the U.S provides a much more logical, rational reason why terrorist despise you than the nonsensical, they-just-hate-our-freedoms rot does." Keep in mind that many over the governments that the U.S. overthrew were popular or elected, but because they were 'socialist,' meaning they wanted to help their people and not have them exploited by international corporations, they were destroyed. Do you at least now have a glimpse of why so many millions fucking hate the U.S.? And don't give me that "Cold War" bollocks. The U.S. was just as much a threat to freedom, liberty, and life as the Soviet Union was. Just refer to the above list. The only difference between the two nations is that domestically, Americans were better off. But concerning foreign powers, the behavior of the US and USSR both was fucking heinous, murderous, and horrible.

07-19-2006, 11:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 25,902	I agree with how the other countries feel. America tells others "you can't do that" while America does it themselves. That isn't fair. __________________ Check out my city... CLICK HERE! (If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

07-20-2006, 12:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
pek1 Professional Writer. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 3,245	Who actually cares what others think of us. They're just jealous because we have more freedoms over here and our women don't have to wear those stupid pajamas all the time and the men don't. __________________ Pete

07-20-2006, 06:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: All I wanted was a white knight with a good heart, soft touch, fast horse, ride me off into the sunset Posts: 20,225	How can I say I blame them, I am an American myself, and I don't approve a lot of things that United States have done, like wars with another countries, in and against Iraq was a mistake. I'm not happy with how the result was going and it's a never ending war in and against Iraq. If United States want to keep the terrorism from entering the United States, that's fine, but going off in another country and start a war is just not the right way to put it. We went to war in Iraq that has nothing to do with 9/11. I don't know wtf made Bush thinking that it was related to 9/11. United States needs to get their fact straight, before they make a fool out of themselves, which they already have. It's not our fault the American people, It's the President, the Congress and it's people who thinks we need this war. It disgusted me as well. U.S. troops are being killed over this stupid war that wasn't even necessary to take place. pek1, It has nothing to be with being jealous of our country or our United States. It has something to do with how we go too far with attacking other countries, creating a war that has nothing to do with United States itself, We should mind our own business what's going on in Iraq. I believe that United States is just on the roll of falling apart, spending tons and tons of money on a war alone, we need better schools, people needs better job, we need our government to help us because we are American people, those Iraq are not American people, and their country itself is not part of United States, Why do we have to bugged in? If United States don't want terrorism bombing our place of home, then stop them by not letting them enter our country, there's always ways to prevent that, but they didn't have a strong security during that time, who's fault is that? It's theirs! The government, the Congress... __________________

07-21-2006, 01:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 25,902	If you look at it this way, we're acting in accordance with our own definitions... but what about in the view of others. For instance, we look at other religions that are non-Christian and call them cults. What about those who are non-Christians? How do they perceive us? We could be considered cults to other religions. Back to the war in Iraq... who started? I don't remember Saddam starting anything. I haven't seen anything that appears as if Saddam launched a rocket against us, sent bombers against us, sent ships after us... nothing. Think of it this way. You and me are enemies. I don't like how you do things. You don't like how I do things. However, I punch you in the face. When people ask me why I punched you in the face, my defense would be... "He/She was gonna hit me." That's what Bush has done. "Iraq was gonna do something bad to us. So, I had to hit Iraq first." Now, doesn't that comment sound a bit... childish? __________________ Check out my city... CLICK HERE! (If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

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07-20-2006, 11:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
EDGE Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,010	Middle Eastern hate US because of .... freedom, gay, sex, protect violence, greedy, shave leg, modern building, waste gas on SUV...... I'll think of more. :D

07-21-2006, 01:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
Buckdodgers Guest Posts: n/a	Why you think arabs become suicide bombers? Cause theyre sick,,Im Talking about sick in health.Middle east nations dont have decent medicine or decent quility doctors like USA,Japan and Israel has.Thats why they jump on an airplane blow it up with innocent people or blow themselves up in front of big crowd cause they know the other side of the coin is paradise with allah.Why you think Palestine kids wanna become suicide bombers? Cause Gaza is very poor and doesnt have rivers or streams like Isreal has and Israel took their land away from them in 1948.

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MaxUFC Go Celtics! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New England Posts: 1,805	Maybe we are fattest people in the world?. Maybe, they hate our american sports like Lance Armstrong? Or our own measure : feet-foot, inches, weight, lbs, etc... Just not going there where much anit-USA.

07-31-2006, 10:21 AM	#18 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Hiiiiiii it's meeeeee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 24,153	mmmhhh interesting thread here. I´m agree with Cheri and Vampy on this. We found out that Irak is not responsible for 9/11 but Bush himself! We (Europeans) suspect that Bush do something with 9/11, not Irak because he wants his people to agree with him to attack Irak for "that". Really truth is Bush see after Irak´s oil. Question: Why approx. 5,000 employees in Twin Center were on vacation one to few days before 9/11? Why the bomb under the car park of Twin Center? It seem pretty illogical to me. __________________ sniffing you

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Your Mom Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 519	They hate us because we posess all the qualities you would hate in a friend, we are pushy, arrogant, dominate, controlling, rude and non empahthetic.

07-31-2006, 12:27 PM	#24 (permalink)
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