Why the World Hates the US? - Page 7

Banjo · 04-05-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Grrrr!

That makes me nuts when people can't distinguish North Carolina from South Carolina. They are two totally different states.

Hee hee. Sorry, but it's just not that easy to remember as I only stayed one night because I was going through these states to get to Florida.

Banjo · 04-05-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

In Charleston, most of the division is income based. Poor people live in poor areas. The poor part of residential downtown Charleston is mostly black, not because they are forced to stay there but because they have lived there for generations and don't want to leave. They actually occupy some valuable property that high-price developers want but they refuse to leave. It's part of the gentrification controversy. So there is never any vacancy for poor white people to move into except for Section 8 housing. Some of what used to be mostly black poor areas in the North Charleston area has become almost completely Hispanic. There is culture clash in those areas. In the middle and upper middle class areas there is a good racial and ethnic mix. In the high price areas, there are mostly (but not all) white because they are either old-money Southern gentility, new-money Yankee carpetbaqgers, or wealthy Euros buying vacation mansions.

That makes sense in a way. Quite interesting, I would say.

webexplorer · 04-05-2008, 04:41 PM

By the way, my mother's neighbor is Canadian, and she was born in Canada. She has been living there for about 20 years. I can't figure it out if she is residence of US or Canada. She goes to Canada once awhile. She is extremely fussy about her black & white ranch house. She doesn't want to see a leaf on the lawn, and she immediately picked it up and trash it. I laughed. I can't go in her house because she is a heavy smoker.

Reba · 04-05-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

That makes sense in a way. Quite interesting, I would say.

It's also interesting that many of the black families have been here since slave days; they didn't leave after emancipation. They have last names of Manigault, Pinckney, Middleton, Heyward, Guilliard, etc., the same names of the local plantations and historical Charlestonians.

There is a lot of cultural (including language) variety among the black population of this area. Urban blacks, rural blacks, and sea island blacks are very different from each other and don't easily "mix."

Byrdie714 · 04-05-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

In Charleston, most of the division is income based. Poor people live in poor areas. The poor part of residential downtown Charleston is mostly black, not because they are forced to stay there but because they have lived there for generations and don't want to leave. They actually occupy some valuable property that high-price developers want but they refuse to leave. It's part of the gentrification controversy. So there is never any vacancy for poor white people to move into except for Section 8 housing. Some of what used to be mostly black poor areas in the North Charleston area has become almost completely Hispanic. There is culture clash in those areas. In the middle and upper middle class areas there is a good racial and ethnic mix. In the high price areas, there are mostly (but not all) white because they are either old-money Southern gentility, new-money Yankee carpetbaqgers, or wealthy Euros buying vacation mansions.

My, my, my!

Southern resentment towards northerners still lives!

Byrdie714 · 04-05-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

You know, they do sell clothings with the Canadian flag on it for Americans to buy when they travel in different countries. However, the Canadians and Americans do not share the same accent because of how we pronounce some words.

It's not always easy being an American in a different country. Like Macian said, there will always be some small-minded morons going after a country they don't like.

I can't say I ever experienced anti-Canadian sentiments while being in the USA. I noticed that when we approached some black people in the southern states, they were a little cold then once they realized that we were Canadians, they changed their tone.

Then when I went around the town, I noticed that I was in the part of the town where only the black people lived, then went to the area where the white people are. It was pretty strange to see that as where I live is pretty diverse with many different minorities. It's as if the town itself had a line saying the black people can live there, and the white people can live on the other side. I can't remember which town it was, but I think it was in North Carolina or South Carolina.

Weird. In fact, Buffalo is kind of like that too in some sections.

I love going to Canada on occasion. And on those occasions when I do meet up with the locals who invites one to go drinking.

During our chats the conversation would normally turn to "America bashing". I would sit there and let them have their day.

Then one would say, "Hey, where are you from?"

"America."

Everyone in the group would then shut up fast!

Then one would say..."You don't act like an American." Uh....what does an American act like in the eyes of Canadians?

shel90 · 04-05-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I love going to Canada on occasion. And on those occasions when I do meet up with the locals who invites one to go drinking.

During our chats the conversation would normally turn to "America bashing". I would sit there and let them have their day.

Then one would say, "Hey, where are you from?"

"America."

Everyone in the group would then shut up fast!

Then one would say..."You don't act like an American." Uh....what does an American act like in the eyes of Canadians?

What kind of comments did they say about America that was bashing? Just curious.

That's a funny story!

Byrdie714 · 04-05-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

What kind of comments did they say about America that was bashing? Just curious.

That's a funny story!

Anything pertaining to the leader of our country.

shel90 · 04-05-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Anything pertaining to the leader of our country.

I cant blame them.

Macian · 04-05-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Personally, I don't understand why it would be acceptable to hate entire countries either. Even those countries we are at war with, I don't hate them.

Isn't that sad?

Personally, if I had to lie about my nationality in order to get polite attitude from another country's citizens I think I would prefer to stay home. Why should I spend my hard-earned dollars as a tourist in a place that insults me?

As for those Americans who pretend to be other nationalities, if they're so ashamed maybe they should look for a new home country. Pah-tooie!

well reba when a country is as arrogant as the US it is very very easy to hate them as whole, it's all about themself and not one care for ill effects they cause globally, I also hate Iran as a country,but having met a few iranians they are a really nice friendly people, not all of them are fanatics.
but it's the simple people who hate the individuals, and I don't

Byrdie714 · 04-05-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Macian

well reba when a country is as arrogant as the US it is very very easy to hate them as whole, it's all about themself and not one care for ill effects they cause globally, I also hate Iran as a country,but having met a few iranians they are a really nice friendly people, not all of them are fanatics.
but it's the simple people who hate the individuals, and I don't

The UK isn't looked upon as favorable as well. Afterall, it was the UK that had to colonize half the world in the name of the Queen.

GarnetTigerMom · 04-05-2008, 08:43 PM

“Nothing is worse than active ignorance” is old saying. But could it be because we have a tendency to stick our noses where they don't belong or take the law into our own hands by starting a war that was never needed to happen? Maybe you right it could be religions reasons or too many multinational corporations undermining the sovereignty and lives of other countries and peoples? The world have so many many problems. I don't think is just USA should be blame for having freedom. It seems to me they just jealous of american people. But they don't realized americans people have to work to pay bills and follow the laws so hardly that freedom and we still have to pay taxes.

Reba · 04-05-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

My, my, my!

Southern resentment towards northerners still lives!

Southerners don't resent Northerners unless they move down here and tell the locals, "that isn't how we do it up North."

It works both ways. My brother, who still lives in Connecticut, is just positive that we all must live like the Dukes of Hazzard here.

BTW, last week "Charleston has been named the 'most mannerly city' in the United States for the 12th year in a row."
Charleston, SC Latest Local News: In matter of manners Holy City No. 1 again

Brian · 04-06-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Grrrr!

That makes me nuts when people can't distinguish North Carolina from South Carolina. They are two totally different states.

Yeah, I know but there were some talks about South Carolina being re-merged/re-annexed with North Carolina not too long ago. I believe this was started by lobbyists up in Raleigh.

sequoias · 04-06-2008, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

Yeah, I know but there were some talks about South Carolina being re-merged/re-annexed with North Carolina not too long ago. I believe this was started by lobbyists up in Raleigh.

We had rumors about the Pacific Northwest US splitting away from the US and starting their own country called Cascadia which includes Oregon and WA and BC forming into that.

Also the cultures in Western and Eastern half of Washington state are different and they wanted to split the state in half to become West WA and East WA but that never happened. We also had the same thing with King County splitting up, too.

I doubt that will happen with North and South Carolina anytime but there could be a surprise here and there.

Brian · 04-06-2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

We had rumors about the Pacific Northwest US splitting away from the US and starting their own country called Cascadia which includes Oregon and WA and BC forming into that.

Also the cultures in Western and Eastern half of Washington state are different and they wanted to split the state in half to become West WA and East WA but that never happened. We also had the same thing with King County splitting up, too.

I doubt that will happen with North and South Carolina anytime but there could be a surprise here and there.

This is the first one I have ever heard of states in the US forming their own country. Maybe what you heard is one of The Thirty-Eight States?

Reba · 04-06-2008, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

Yeah, I know but there were some talks about South Carolina being re-merged/re-annexed with North Carolina not too long ago. I believe this was started by lobbyists up in Raleigh.

Nonsense.

PuyoPiyo · 04-06-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

We had rumors about the Pacific Northwest US splitting away from the US and starting their own country called Cascadia which includes Oregon and WA and BC forming into that.

Also the cultures in Western and Eastern half of Washington state are different and they wanted to split the state in half to become West WA and East WA but that never happened. We also had the same thing with King County splitting up, too.

I doubt that will happen with North and South Carolina anytime but there could be a surprise here and there.

Yupp I do hear about this too, the state of Lincoln which are at east Washington merging with north Idaho become the state of Lincoln, also south Oregon and north California was planned to be merge together and become the state of Jefferson, but they have been proposed for long time. Also I heard California might split up itself due to its population, but I don't really know about this, alos I know Texas have the right to split itself up, but never had done yet.

I would love to see states, especially western states, to split up because all of the states in the western are too big to travel through while the New England area (northeast US) have very small states and are easy to travel through, also other reason why I would love to see states split up so we can have more choices which states to live in.

Wikipedia have articles where I learned from.

This one is general the 51st state article.

51st state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this is for the new state from a current state.

List of U.S. state secession proposals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Macian · 04-06-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

The UK isn't looked upon as favorable as well. Afterall, it was the UK that had to colonize half the world in the name of the Queen.

totally agree wtih you byrdie, and to be called part of the UK is an insult to most scots, we are also part of their queens commonwealth,by force and not by choice, most scots want to break away from the UK, and she is not and never will be my Queen, I think them a total waste of space and money.

Macian · 04-06-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Really? What's that aboot?

That's weird.

In Charleston, most of the division is income based. Poor people live in poor areas. The poor part of residential downtown Charleston is mostly black, not because they are forced to stay there but because they have lived there for generations and don't want to leave. They actually occupy some valuable property that high-price developers want but they refuse to leave. It's part of the gentrification controversy. So there is never any vacancy for poor white people to move into except for Section 8 housing. Some of what used to be mostly black poor areas in the North Charleston area has become almost completely Hispanic. There is culture clash in those areas. In the middle and upper middle class areas there is a good racial and ethnic mix. In the high price areas, there are mostly (but not all) white because they are either old-money Southern gentility, new-money Yankee carpetbaqgers, or wealthy Euros buying vacation mansions.

In other words, if you got the money you can live where you want, regardless of color.

Grrrr!

That makes me nuts when people can't distinguish North Carolina from South Carolina. They are two totally different states.

lol your last comment made me laugh Reba, I couldn't tell you where carolina is, other than havign heard of it in films, didnt even know there was a north and south, mind you having said that i would struggle to locate and American towns.

I asumme you say "ABoot" too for about? obviously scottish a word carried through from scottish settlers, it has been used here for centuries, and thats how I would say it.
still that must be one of the better things we gave you, still can't get over the fact it was 2 scottish men that started the Klu klux Klan

how embarrassing.

Byrdie714 · 04-06-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Macian

totally agree wtih you byrdie, and to be called part of the UK is an insult to most scots, we are also part of their queens commonwealth,by force and not by choice, most scots want to break away from the UK, and she is not and never will be my Queen, I think them a total waste of space and money.

Isn't there talk of that happening?

Macian · 04-06-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Isn't there talk of that happening?

yes we now run our own government byrdie, but overall westminster are still calling the shots, there will be a vote for independence here within the next 2years, so far it could go either way.
I want total independence, but the main party for indpendence wants to take us fully into Europe, we still use our own currency and not the euro, personally i don't want to be a fully fledged member of Europe either, because we will just end up being run by germany and france and I don't agree with most of their policies, I would rather sign up to the north Atlantic free trade agreement.. with the US and Canada, becuase if we end up being dragged into europe we will end up losing the special relationship we have had with the US, I can't see it surviving when we would then be walking hand in hand with france.

Reba · 04-06-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

...I doubt that will happen with North and South Carolina anytime but there could be a surprise here and there.

I've never met anyone from either state who ever considered that as a possibility, or even had that desire. No one would want to give up their political power. That sounds like an urban legend to me.

Reba · 04-06-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Macian

lol your last comment made me laugh Reba, I couldn't tell you where carolina is, other than havign heard of it in films, didnt even know there was a north and south, mind you having said that i would struggle to locate and American towns.

I don't expect people from other countries to know about the 50 states, so you're excused.

It's the natives of the United States who don't know the difference between two states that makes me crazy. People should at least be familiar with their own country.

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I asumme you say "ABoot" too for about? obviously scottish a word carried through from scottish settlers, it has been used here for centuries, and thats how I would say it.

I was teasing the Canucks. Canadians pronounce "about" as "aboot", and "house" as "hoose". That's a dead giveaway as to nationality.

It makes sense that the Canadians from Nova Scotia and other areas in Canada that were settled by Scots would pronounce it that way.

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...still can't get over the fact it was 2 scottish men that started the Klu klux Klan

how embarrassing.

Don't take it that way. The fact that those Klansmen were members of the human race is embarrassing enough.

Byrdie714 · 04-06-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I don't expect people from other countries to know about the 50 states, so you're excused.

It's the natives of the United States who don't know the difference between two states that makes me crazy. People should at least be familiar with their own country.

Or at least know what the capitol is of their state and country! If not, that's even more embarrassing!

sequoias · 04-06-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

This is the first one I have ever heard of states in the US forming their own country. Maybe what you heard is one of The Thirty-Eight States?

That's different one...check this one out. The Republic of Cascadia

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