Why the World Hates the US? - Page 4

Y · 08-03-2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

Some saying America is generous and helpful eg donate millions of dollars for the Tsunami disaster, but ignored and neglected New Orlean disaster. - Why don't they look after its people first?

That's True... AND this comment is making me
VERY ANGRY thinking about New Orleans.

(NOTE: I have to blame FEMA and many other
organizations, too)

Liebling:-))) · 08-03-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Oh, You're speaking of another term for homeless people, at first I thought you were speaking of whores or hos.. LOL!

I want you aware about the language between British and America.

British: Tramp
American: Homeless people

If anyone said "There are many tramps in ....." which mean is homeless people...

If anyone said: "You are tramp" which mean is whore. It's an insult word.

MilitaryGirl83 · 08-03-2006, 08:18 AM

In Sweden some day or Austraila.

And Visit Opal and Liebieg!

Opal · 08-03-2006, 08:29 AM

TRAMP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramp

Thank you for clarify it as I didn't know there is a slang word for a prostitute!!!

Yes, I was talking about down and out - homeless people.

Opal · 08-03-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FelixKat930

In Sweden some day or Austraila.

And Visit Opal and Liebieg!

Yes, hope your dream will comes true one day!

Liebling:-))) · 08-03-2006, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

And the Europeans are not? They have a better social security net than we do and they take every advantage of it. Let me see six weeks of vacation, low cost health care, more or less guaranteed job security. Unfortunately for them, the system has been showing strains and is now starting to crack and they are wringing their hands at the changes they must do to fix it up. Guess what? They are using us as a model in some of those things. One example is unemployment benefits...they pretty much guarantee a lifetime of benefits. This is slowly changing in the direction we took by saying to folks...nothing lasts forever...get a job!

Question is it depends on your POV and the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence.

I can understand from reading the link, you provided in your previous post about welfare benefit which total different as Europe. I think those link will explain better. I agree that there're cons and pros in our countries.

http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Sociology/labor.htm

Yes, we paid high taxes and social insurances including health care cost accord German security system. Employer paid part of taxes and social insurances for their employees.

Yes, there´re high jobless rate in Germany. The problem was begin after € conversion. The companies refused to divide from Deutsche Mark (DM) into € (1.95583). They only removed DM to add €, it means that its double for us and our divided income, saving bank, mortaged, rent, life insurance, etc etc.
The government told companies to divide everything but they wont listen. That´s how Germans cut their budgets more and manage with double prices hardly with divided incomes. They buy clothes, etc from outside of Germany which its cheaper than buy double prices in Germany. That´s why German companies goes bankrupt because of this.

I know the tax here in Germany is expensive than America.

European unemployers living under social welfare assistance. You see why we pay high taxes and social insurances because of this.

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They are using us as a model in some of those things.

No, European Government would not use American model for an example because they disagree on American polities how to take care of their people. They find their way to fix unemployment rates but it will take long, long, long time to improve unemployment rates. Yes, there're some change in welfare benefit (cut some welfare benefit)...

I hope this answer is right one what you want to ask about ?

P.S. Paid Vacation/holiday paid is not the reason why we have high employment rates but taxes and Euro convertion. 6/7 weeks paid vacation and paid public holidays was fixed long, long, long time ago.

Liebling:-))) · 08-03-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FelixKat930

In Sweden some day or Austraila.

And Visit Opal and Liebieg!

I hope your dream will be fulfilling...

More posts will come later to answer some of your posts. I have to go home now...

Liebling:-))) · 08-03-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

TRAMP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramp

Thank you for clarify it as I didn't know there is a slang word for a prostitute!!!

Yes, I was talking about down and out - homeless people.

Welcome

Liebling:-))) · 08-03-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That's the problem. Europeans see only the negative news about America, and the protests.

Remember, TV Media doesn´t lie. The film about them is an original. Americans were being interviewed by Reporters with film. Who negative? Of course, Bush himself because he doesn´t care about his own country.

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They don't realize that the protesters are a very small percentage of the population. Protesting is more "newsworthy" so it gets more coverage. News about people supporting the military, or showing the positive things that happen, don't get covered because those stories are "boring."

Your Mom answered already. Your Mom is correct about this because she said the same what TV Medias said.

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War against terrorism is not a Republican issue, and war against terrorism is not about revenge. See, that's what I mean about not getting the whole story.

It's not about "revenge".

Yes, it´s about revenge because Bush accussed Iraq for attack 9/11 and then sent his soliders to punish Iraq there and then later found out that Iraq is not responsible for 9/11. The world is furious with Bush for that because Americans and Iranians were being killed in Iraq for nothing. Do you still claim that it´s not revenge? Bush has no right to attack/kill people from other countries when there´re no proof who did 9/11. First Bush accussed Hussein, now then Bin Laden...

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If a surgeon cuts a tumor out of a patient's body to prevent the spread of cancer is that "revenge" against the patient? No. It's saving the life of the patient.

No I see different.

Surgeon has a proof that his patient has a cancer then do something is catch right cancer and then remove.... It´s about save human´s life. The cancer is the best proof, then they can save their patient life... What Bush did is total different because of no proof. He did not catch right one but kill them... *shake my head*

Where have Bush proof that it´s Hussein or Bin Laden who did 9/11? Bush sent his soliders to attack/kill people in Iraq without proof. The world told Bush to not do that but Bush ignored it. Now you see that Iraq is not responsible for 9/11? Nobody arrest Bush for the war criminal, he made against Iraq. Why?

If Bush want to have Bin Laden then do something, not sent solider to attack/kill innoncent people to get Hussein or Bin Laden.

If anyone who get revenge, always get it back... Look what they did to hurt innoncent people... All what I say is LEAVE OTHER COUNTRIES ALONE ... Get revenge is not worth... Bush should focus his own people, not revenge against other countries...

Liebling:-))) · 08-03-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No, it's not revenge against cancer. There is no emotion involved. It is preventing the cancer from spreading and doing more damage.

If the surgery was for revenge it would mean removing the tumor after the patient died from cancer, and stomping on it. It would serve no purpose.

If you really believe that war after 9/11 was just for revenge, and if you believe revenge is wrong, then does that mean after 9/11 you would have us do nothing?

No, it was not about revenge. We want to prevent another 9/11 attack from happening.

Do you want to just sit here and wait for the next attack? And the next one, and the next one....

No, not for revenge. For self-defense. To let the attacker know that he can't do that kind of thing without expecting consequences.

I disagree with you on this. It´s not self-defense but revenge...

Self-defense = you defend yourself being attack from anyone... Example: Rapist or serial killer tried to kill you then you has the right to defend yourself to do something to kill them...

Revenge = you attack to punish anyone because you are being attacked by them in the past. You ran and attack other countries because they attack your country is revenge.

Liebling:-))) · 08-03-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Your Mom

No emotion involved, my grandmother died of cancer, trust me there is emotion involved.

I never said that I agreed or disagreed with the war, I just said that at its basic concept war is revenge. So quit assuming that you know my personal beliefs on war. If it was merely self-defense we would have DEFENDED our selves prior to the attack since we didnt, we have to revenge against the attackers after the fact.

and most of your posts here over the difference between revenge and self-defense.

Liebling:-))) · 08-03-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No one answered this question yet:

If the world hates the US,

"Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"

America is not just only one in the world, who try so hard to immigrate to but many countries in the world as well.

Immigrates come from poor countries travel to EVERYWHERE in the world to start new and better life.

Who hates the US? Of course Muslim countries, not world... World do not hate US personality but disagree with US´s poliities.

sr171soars · 08-03-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling

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No, European Government would not use American model for an example because they disagree on American polities how to take care of their people. They find their way to fix unemployment rates but it will take long, long, long time to improve unemployment rates. Yes, there're some change in welfare benefit (cut some welfare benefit)...

I hope this answer is right one what you want to ask about ?

P.S. Paid Vacation/holiday paid is not the reason why we have high employment rates but taxes and Euro convertion. 6/7 weeks paid vacation and paid public holidays was fixed long, long, long time ago.

Thanks for your comments... I never did imply they (Europe) would copy all our ways of doing things. Probably would never happen but there good things on both sides of the fence that both could learn from each other. If you read the link more carefully about welfare benefits...you will see that the shift has already started with some countries and other countries are having to reexamine the welfare programs in light of economic realities (i.e., the burden is high on the countries' finances). The recent changes of welfare in the US had some impact on such thinking because there was doom and gloom from the more liberal and socialist minded folks. Well, it actually worked better than anybody thought...

While paid vacation is not a direct factor in high unemployment it does have a cost to the employer in the form of decreased productivity. Just because things were established long ago doesn't mean they make sense now. All things change over time and if a country won't adjust, it suffers the consequences (look at Germany's and France's unemployment rate...not something to be proud of). Also the employment "contract" that European countries can impose on companies can have a detrimental effect as well. Consider for any company in Germany...they are very reluctant to hire new people because they can't just lay them off without significant economic consequences (i.e., the state demands compensation [penalties] from them for doing so).

There are good features on both sides of the Atlantic and it really comes down to good leadership to moderate the excesses and strengthen the weaknesses that both sides offer. There simply needs to be flexibility all around. If it doesn't happen, everybody suffers.

GalaxyAngel · 08-03-2006, 01:58 PM

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liebling wrote:
Yes, it´s about revenge because Bush accussed Iraq for attack 9/11 and then sent his soliders to punish Iraq there and then later found out that Iraq is not responsible for 9/11. The world is furious with Bush for that because Americans and Iranians were being killed in Iraq for nothing. Do you still claim that it´s not revenge? Bush has no right to attack/kill people from other countries when there´re no proof who did 9/11. First Bush accussed Hussein, now then Bin Laden...

I do agree w/you as I did watched the true story about it... Likey My god.. what Bush have done so many wrong ways.. which there's no proof...

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Where have Bush proof that it´s Hussein or Bin Laden who did 9/11? Bush sent his soliders to attack/kill people in Iraq without proof. The world told Bush to not do that but Bush ignored it. Now you see that Iraq is not responsible for 9/11? Nobody arrest Bush for the war criminal, he made against Iraq. Why?

If Bush want to have Bin Laden then do something, not sent solider to attack/kill innoncent people to get Hussein or Bin Laden.

Yeah, I still not understand why, Bush still running after them.. but happy captive Saddam... then what next ? Why Bush kept stubborn and contuine... Wha.. heck he doing... why he expense on war all the time and not look after the us country.. All he wants smell and goal to get OIL... (rolls)

Revenage isn't help solve the problem!

EDGE · 08-03-2006, 02:25 PM

Are you idiot or what? It has nothing with Bush.

It start long time ago before Bush exist, anyone in vary country still hate US on their own reason.

sillycat · 08-03-2006, 05:43 PM

Whether Bush lied to get US to invade Iraq or not is moot (pointless) becuz we are stuck in the Iraq mess now. Things are gettng worse there now and stirring up the pot in middle east--more conflicts with Iran, Syria (bush blame them for support Hezebollah), etc. Now we are having wars by proxy in Lebenon (look up dictionary war by proxy) --Israel and US vs. Hezebollah and Iran (Syria?). Just another big mess and possibly become "Iraq war II".

Its all about war for oil and control to its access to oil. The rest of other reasons are minor. But US cannnot live without oil so we have to keep our hand in the Iraq otherwise the new gov't there can go radical and shut off oil to us and we are in deeeeep sh*t. Enjoy your day

webexplorer · 08-03-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sillycat

...... US cannnot live without oil so we have to keep our hand in the Iraq otherwise the new gov't there can go radical and shut off oil to us and we are in deeeeep sh*t. Enjoy your day

Actually, we really do not depend on oil. There are many good alternative energy such as solar panels, vary of sized windpowers, hybrid vehicles, and many other machines.

Our new generations are hard to access money to buy the alternative machines because many old fart government agents/congress people have the money, but they won't do it. Some states have money for people to get it, but it is not enough money. I mean old people who work for the government for over 30 years, and I am pretty sure that they are addicted in the oil investments for too long.

I remember a story - A man invented an electric car or train in the 1940's, and a Ford Company found out about the man. Somehow, the company bought him out quickly, and destroyed the electric vehicle business. The Ford uses oil for its own cars in order to sell in the business. I am being to wonder that man who invented it was a deaf man.

If we have our electric vehicles (new verison) since 1940's, then everything would be very different - very little air pollution, and no reliable on oil, no background noise from vehicles. Maybe, there is no oil war. That would make a huge difference.

sr171soars · 08-03-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

Actually, we really do not depend on oil. There are many good alternative energy such as solar panels, vary of sized windpowers, hybrid vehicles, and many other machines.

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Let's get our facts straight! We are very dependent on oil.

Try this test...if we were to stop receiving oil right now and use up what is on hand (probably last maybe a week or two at current rates of consumption), how would the US do? The economy would crash, people couldn't get very far without a bicycle, life would be totally different. Yes, we have oil from the Gulf, Alaska, and some other places but it is no where near enough for all the cars. The military and the gov't would get first dibs just to run the place and protect us. The rest of us are out of luck.

I would hate to try that before we were ready to switch to other things...

EDGE · 08-03-2006, 09:34 PM

CA are into Ethanol

TX are into biodiesel

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

Actually, we really do not depend on oil. There are many good alternative energy such as solar panels, vary of sized windpowers, hybrid vehicles, and many other machines.

Our new generations are hard to access money to buy the alternative machines because many old fart government agents/congress people have the money, but they won't do it. Some states have money for people to get it, but it is not enough money. I mean old people who work for the government for over 30 years, and I am pretty sure that they are addicted in the oil investments for too long.

I remember a story - A man invented an electric car or train in the 1940's, and a Ford Company found out about the man. Somehow, the company bought him out quickly, and destroyed the electric vehicle business. The Ford uses oil for its own cars in order to sell in the business. I am being to wonder that man who invented it was a deaf man.

If we have our electric vehicles (new verison) since 1940's, then everything would be very different - very little air pollution, and no reliable on oil, no background noise from vehicles. Maybe, there is no oil war. That would make a huge difference.

webexplorer · 08-03-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

Let's get our facts straight! We are very dependent on oil.

Try this test...if we were to stop receiving oil right now and use up what is on hand (probably last maybe a week or two at current rates of consumption), how would the US do? The economy would crash, people couldn't get very far without a bicycle, life would be totally different. Yes, we have oil from the Gulf, Alaska, and some other places but it is no where near enough for all the cars. The military and the gov't would get first dibs just to run the place and protect us. The rest of us are out of luck.

I would hate to try that before we were ready to switch to other things...

No, no. It is not true. "Green" companies already provide their products (solar panels and windpowers) to sell them to anyone. They are very very expensive now, but in the future, their prices might go down when we often buy the parts from them. It is not simple solution right now because we are in the transition from oil to alternative modern products very slowly. This is very difficult position to change that.

You know giant oil industries beat green companies. It is very easy for oil corporations to destroy the green products, but they are not going to do that yet - we really do not know what will happen because of unresponsive between two worlds - oil and green companies. You never know if we are not able to get oil from other countries. then we will get the alternative products. It is quite not about money, and it is about access to get the oil supplies.

Also, it takes a long time for their patents to be approved offically before they put them on the market - like 5 to 15 years. The Patent Company is not willing to speed up in the business. Even, we need better technologies for our medicial needs, weapons, and others. That's another story. I know that it does not make a sense. You can check that out on google - I saw on a PBS TV program two years ago.

Of course, you know that we must not let our oil industrials to take over Alaska territory because it is real and last reservation for wild animals to live there (North America). We really cannot touch that place. We can explore there for our vacations.

Let's say that one piece of small solar panel contains 20 amps that produces 40 watts. (Excuse me, I lost my paper about the solar information from a home show. If you know the math, please let me know if this is correct.)

It is definitely that we are out of luck. I thought that our U.S. Constitution stated that We are the people... this would protect us. It turned out that it is only for congress people and the power of wealthy people. It is unbelieveable!

sr171soars · 08-04-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

No, no. It is not true. "Green" companies already provide their products (solar panels and windpowers) to sell them to anyone. They are very very expensive now, but in the future, their prices might go down when we often buy the parts from them. It is not simple solution right now because we are in the transition from oil to alternative modern products very slowly. This is very difficult position to change that.

You know giant oil industries beat green companies. It is very easy for oil corporations to destroy the green products, but they are not going to do that yet - we really do not know what will happen because of unresponsive between two worlds - oil and green companies. You never know if we are not able to get oil from other countries. then we will get the alternative products. It is quite not about money, and it is about access to get the oil supplies.

Also, it takes a long time for their patents to be approved offically before they put them on the market - like 5 to 15 years. The Patent Company is not willing to speed up in the business. Even, we need better technologies for our medicial needs, weapons, and others. That's another story. I know that it does not make a sense. You can check that out on google - I saw on a PBS TV program two years ago.

Of course, you know that we must not let our oil industrials to take over Alaska territory because it is real and last reservation for wild animals to live there (North America). We really cannot touch that place. We can explore there for our vacations.

Let's say that one piece of small solar panel contains 20 amps that produces 40 watts. (Excuse me, I lost my paper about the solar information from a home show. If you know the math, please let me know if this is correct.)

It is definitely that we are out of luck. I thought that our U.S. Constitution stated that We are the people... this would protect us. It turned out that it is only for congress people and the power of wealthy people. It is unbelieveable!

Yep, that is what I meant about transitioning from mostly oil to a broader spectrum of possibilities. Hence, my comment about our dependency on oil. As you have pointed out...the problem is that the price factor alone hasn't reached that point of equilibrium where it would be cost effective for us to switch. I agree it will happen soon (next five years or so) and it sort of has happened in dibs and dabs around the country where E85 and other stuff is available. But you just can't get this stuff everywhere yet. When the alternatives become widely available....watch out!!!

The part that concerns me and makes the whole thing very, very difficult for the transition is oil itself. Right now, oil is expensive and we all see it in our wallets. As we transitioned from oil to alternatives (plus some oil), oil become less in demand and the rest of the world can't absorb it (sure China will take more but not enough). Viola, the price of oil goes down fairly dramatically and the catch-22 principle. Now, you get people thinking...umm...I can get gas for 2.10 and E85 is 2.85...which are people going to go with? This is where it gets hairy and I most certainly don't trust the gov't to have a rational plan in place to get us out of this type of problem let alone the private sector figuring it out.

sillycat · 08-04-2006, 04:41 PM

I agree with some of the comments above about 'green' energy but it is gonna be a tight squeeze now--I believe the transition period will be rough in some ways with oil prices going up and the process of turning to alternative is slow--possibly too slow pace at this time.

One thing to remember about oil--the farmers are very dependent on it to make fertilizers to grow tons of food (green revolution) and if it gets too expensive for farmers to buy fertilizers then we are in t

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EDGE Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,010	Are you idiot or what? It has nothing with Bush. It start long time ago before Bush exist, anyone in vary country still hate US on their own reason.

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sillycat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kitty travel carrier Posts: 910	Whether Bush lied to get US to invade Iraq or not is moot (pointless) becuz we are stuck in the Iraq mess now. Things are gettng worse there now and stirring up the pot in middle east--more conflicts with Iran, Syria (bush blame them for support Hezebollah), etc. Now we are having wars by proxy in Lebenon (look up dictionary war by proxy) --Israel and US vs. Hezebollah and Iran (Syria?). Just another big mess and possibly become "Iraq war II". Its all about war for oil and control to its access to oil. The rest of other reasons are minor. But US cannnot live without oil so we have to keep our hand in the Iraq otherwise the new gov't there can go radical and shut off oil to us and we are in deeeeep sh*t. Enjoy your day