Why the World Hates the US? - Page 3

Reba · 08-01-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Mom

No but you might be able to look at it as being revenge against the cancer.

No, it's not revenge against cancer. There is no emotion involved. It is preventing the cancer from spreading and doing more damage.

If the surgery was for revenge it would mean removing the tumor after the patient died from cancer, and stomping on it. It would serve no purpose.

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War at its very basic level is revenge, 9/11 for example it was about revenge, it was about getting back and putting down those who messed with us soil.

If you really believe that war after 9/11 was just for revenge, and if you believe revenge is wrong, then does that mean after 9/11 you would have us do nothing?

No, it was not about revenge. We want to prevent another 9/11 attack from happening.

Do you want to just sit here and wait for the next attack? And the next one, and the next one....

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... its like when someone hits you, your gut reaction is to pull back and hit them back. Why? For revenge, to get even, to get back at them , to show them you cant hit me and just think i wont do anything.

No, not for revenge. For self-defense. To let the attacker know that he can't do that kind of thing without expecting consequences.

Reba · 08-01-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Mom

A small percentage of people, if by small you mean half. Most of the polls are generally split right down the middle 50 for 50 against, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060700296.html

They aren't out there protesting in public, are they? Anonymous polls are much easier and safer.

Your Mom · 08-01-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No, it's not revenge against cancer. There is no emotion involved. It is preventing the cancer from spreading and doing more damage.

If the surgery was for revenge it would mean removing the tumor after the patient died from cancer, and stomping on it. It would serve no purpose.

If you really believe that war after 9/11 was just for revenge, and if you believe revenge is wrong, then does that mean after 9/11 you would have us do nothing?

No, it was not about revenge. We want to prevent another 9/11 attack from happening.

Do you want to just sit here and wait for the next attack? And the next one, and the next one....

No, not for revenge. For self-defense. To let the attacker know that he can't do that kind of thing without expecting consequences.

No emotion involved, my grandmother died of cancer, trust me there is emotion involved.

I never said that I agreed or disagreed with the war, I just said that at its basic concept war is revenge. So quit assuming that you know my personal beliefs on war. If it was merely self-defense we would have DEFENDED our selves prior to the attack since we didnt, we have to revenge against the attackers after the fact.

sr171soars · 08-01-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Mom

... If it was merely self-defense we would have DEFENDED our selves prior to the attack since we didnt, we have to revenge against the attackers after the fact.

You imply we knew it was coming...we didn't. Nobody ever even thought about using passenger jet planes as weapons. Hindsight is 20/20 vision.

Going over there was necessary and if revenge...so be it. Somebody has to draw the line in sand... If one doesn't, it just keeps happening.

Your Mom · 08-01-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

You imply we knew it was coming...we didn't. Nobody ever even thought about using passenger jet planes as weapons. Hindsight is 20/20 vision.

Going over there was necessary and if revenge...so be it. Somebody has to draw the line in sand... If one doesn't, it just keeps happening.

I am not implying that we knew anything I am however implying that I think there are some things like tougher air port secuirty that should have been adressed decades ago. I am not saying that anyone should have thought of the planes being used as weapons but rather there were many instances of plane hijackings that could have been preventend previously, which should have resulted in tougher airport security. But the past is the past and I didnt comment on this to get into an argugment over the war its self but rather someone made the comment that war isnt in any sense revenge.

I am not going to argue the necessity of this war, merely that war in its most basic concept, is revenge. Thats it, and im not saying its good or bad, but merely that it is.

Reba · 08-01-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Mom

No emotion involved, my grandmother died of cancer, trust me there is emotion involved.

The surgeon doesn't do the surgery for emotional reasons.

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I never said that I agreed or disagreed with the war, I just said that at its basic concept war is revenge.

And I was refuting the logic of that concept.

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... If it was merely self-defense we would have DEFENDED our selves prior to the attack since we didnt, we have to revenge against the attackers after the fact.

No, it is self-defense to prevent further attacks.

Your Mom · 08-01-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The surgeon doesn't do the surgery for emotional reasons.

And I was refuting the logic of that concept.

No, it is self-defense to prevent further attacks.

And revenge for what they did. If we just wanted self defense, we would SELF defend not take action on others. Such as when you take a self defense class you learn how to attack others, you take measure to make sure you are able to defense your self, you learn to be better aware of your surroundings, you SELF defend, and then when necessary if attacked you turn those defense mechanisms into a revenge/attack against whome ever necessary.

Revenge doesnt contistute emtotion necessary, renvenge is merely taking a vengence against something else, punshing something. So I said it could be percieved as though the doctor were taking revenge against the cancer, he is punishing it, he is removing it, he is vengeful against it. He is removing it, in retalition for it being there.

I suppose its all about the interpretation of the word, both interpreations I will assume are meritable, and we disagree on the correct context for the word revenge to be used in this situation.

2 entries found for revenge.
re·venge ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-vnj)
tr.v. re·venged, re·veng·ing, re·veng·es
To inflict punishment in return for (injury or insult).

We are punishing iraq for the injury that they places upon america.

rockdrummer · 08-01-2006, 06:54 PM

Why the world hates the US. I don't know that the entire world hates the US. I believe there are good and bad things that we, and others around the world do. Its ironic that many of the wars are over religious beliefs. In some instances genocide is occurring which must be stopped. What kind of humans would we be if we didn't step in? The thing about Iraq that irks me is, the justification the government used to get "buy in". It was clearly misrepresented. But the thing I am happy about is that someone that committed the atrocities that the former leader of Iraq did, is no longer in power.

War is sadly a part of our lives regardless of our agreement with the motives. If the United States as a superpower assists another country’s cause, then naturally their enemy will hate us. That and other nations merely dis-agreeing with our motives are reasons “I think” why some in the world hate the US.

jmho.

Your Mom · 08-01-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

Why the world hates the US. I don't know that the entire world hates the US. I believe there are good and bad things that we, and others around the world do. Its ironic that many of the wars are over religious beliefs. In some instances genocide is occurring which must be stopped. What kind of humans would we be if we didn't step in? The thing about Iraq that irks me is, the justification the government used to get "buy in". It was clearly misrepresented. But the thing I am happy about is that someone that committed the atrocities that the former leader of Iraq did, is no longer in power.

War is sadly a part of our lives regardless of our agreement with the motives. If the United States as a superpower assists another country’s cause, then naturally their enemy will hate us. That and other nations merely dis-agreeing with our motives are reasons “I think” why some in the world hate the US.

jmho.

I find my self agreeing with a lot of your posts, including this one.

Reba · 08-01-2006, 07:25 PM

No one answered this question yet:

If the world hates the US,

"Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"

Your Mom · 08-01-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No one answered this question yet:

If the world hates the US,

"Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"

You're making a HUGE generalization that the entire world hates the US, if the world hates the US wouldnt that mean that the US its self hates its self?

Reba · 08-01-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Mom

You're making a HUGE generalization that the entire world hates the US, if the world hates the US wouldnt that mean that the US its self hates its self?

I didn't create the title of this thread.

That doesn't answer my question.

Your Mom · 08-01-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I didn't create the title of this thread.

That doesn't answer my question.

Your question was "if the wrold hates the US, then why do so many people want to come here" and i said the entire world does not hate the US, that answers your question.

rockdrummer · 08-01-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No one answered this question yet: If the world hates the US,
"Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"

I’ll try to answer that one. My personal opinion is that freedom is an attractive thing. I don't know if you have been anywhere else in the world but I have. One thing I recall is the appreciation I gained for our country after seeing others. The United States is probably one of the most diverse countries in the world. I am sure that other free countries have their share if immigrants as well. It's not a bad thing and who knows, once you start to mix the people of the world together, maybe we will all get along better. Maybe we can start to respect each other as fellow human beings.

rockdrummer · 08-01-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Mom

I find my self agreeing with a lot of your posts, including this one.

Thank you.. I have my moments..

sillycat · 08-01-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba
No one answered this question yet: If the world hates the US,
"Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"

Most of the people who try to immigrate to US are from poor countries and are looking for better $$ jobs. There are others who come to get away from dictator countries and some for better colleges.

webexplorer · 08-01-2006, 10:19 PM

Reba - It is obvious that they want to get a better job in our country, and they do not care anything, but money. I think that they know that our country is a superpower warfare which mean that they feel security to be in the country.

Other countries will have the same superpower because of the nuclear missles from Russia. The migrators do not have the things that we have such computers, fancy radios, cell phones, electric games, etc. And, they hate to get an approval from their government if it is ok for them to have a business or not. We have free market here.

Off subject - The Russia blackmarket sold nuclear supplies to many countries 10 years ago because Russia government was broke. Even, the Russia's security was very poor in these days. The only thing that I don't understand that it has the largest amount of ruby and diamonds in the world that would save the government business alive and go on etc...

Opal · 08-02-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No one answered this question yet:

If the world hates the US,

"Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"

America is NOT the only country - people want to live

!!! Lots of people want to live in ENGLAND, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, FRANCE etc!

My brother in law was offer a good job to live in America, he turn it down because we knows American's school is not up to standard as England's.

I keep seeing lots of rich British people leave the UK because of high TAX, and living in America/France is cheaper, BUT they sending their children to the United Kingdom boarding schools!!

There are MILLLLLIOONS of tramps living in the United States, and I went to Boston, MA and NY during my holiday and was surprised to find lots of down and out people there. - Of course we have some tramps, but not that many compared to them. :-/

Angel · 08-02-2006, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

There are MILLLLLIOONS of tramps living in the United States, and I went to Boston, MA and NY during my holiday and was surprised to find lots of down and out people there. - Of course we have some tramps, but not that many compared to them. :-/

Millions of tramps?....And that's the reason why the world hates the US?

btw where in the world did you hear that US has millllllllliooons of tramps as you put it

webexplorer · 08-02-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

America is NOT the only country - people want to live

!!! Lots of people want to live in ENGLAND, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, FRANCE etc!

My brother in law was offer a good job to live in America, he turn it down because we knows American's school is not up to standard as England's.

I keep seeing lots of rich British people leave the UK because of high TAX, and living in America/France is cheaper, BUT they sending their children to the United Kingdom boarding schools!!

That is interesting.

Many Indians (India) came here to be an owner of a gas station or some little stores. Their primary goal is to save the money, and send 90% money to their family in India. Some of Indians don't give a sh t anyone here except paying taxes. Last spring, I saw a local news that two different Indian families owners did not pay their town tax for two or three years, and they are still living there. I do not know if they are in jail or not. Here is a little bit advise if you have a tag sale, and you are selling a nice shower head for 5 bucks. An Indian woman insists to buy it for 10 cents. You say 5 bucks again. She finally bought it five bucks. That's how it works.

Opal · 08-02-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

Millions of tramps?....And that's the reason why the world hates the US?

btw where in the world did you hear that US has millllllllliooons of tramps as you put it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless

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In 2002, research showed that children and families were the largest growing segment of the homeless in America

Yes its a little off-topic because I am trying to explain to Reba that life in USA is not the best as she thinks because of this quote!!

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Originally Posted by Reba
No one answered this question yet:

If the world hates the US,

"Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"

Cheri · 08-02-2006, 09:32 AM

Oh, You're speaking of another term for homeless people, at first I thought you were speaking of whores or hos.. LOL!

Y · 08-02-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?

Hmmm, that's a Good question. I am still
looking for a Good answer to this Good question here.

NOTE: I mean if they HATE United States, then they should
STAY at where they are and then mind their own business
in their own country.

Angel · 08-02-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Opal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless

Yes its a little off-topic because I am trying to explain to Reba that life in USA is not the best as she thinks because of this quote!!

I didn't know you were speakin' of homeless people?...and I'm wondering if you seen this line here

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Homeless people may be found in all parts of the world in varying situations

...Again where did it say anything about US only?...

IslandGal · 08-02-2006, 10:42 AM

Opal, homeless people can be found anywhere in the world not only in the USA. I once went to England several years ago and I have seen some homeless people around in there.

GalaxyAngel · 08-02-2006, 10:49 AM

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webexploder wrote:
Off subject - The Russia blackmarket sold nuclear supplies to many countries 10 years ago because Russia government was broke. Even, the Russia's security was very poor in these days. The only thing that I don't understand that it has the largest amount of ruby and diamonds in the world that would save the government business alive and go on etc...

Yeah, Actually I think Russia had lot of missle and sold to Iran or Iraq.. Not sure which one. US troops were pissed off w/Russia why you missle to us? Russia gov't explained them didn't missle againist your area.. They decide invesgtion and found out that was russia already sold it out to them 10 yrs ago.

Pretty "Almost accessing". Oh geee..

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08-01-2006, 06:54 PM	#68 (permalink)
rockdrummer Weapon of Mass Percussion Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,346	Why the world hates the US. I don't know that the entire world hates the US. I believe there are good and bad things that we, and others around the world do. Its ironic that many of the wars are over religious beliefs. In some instances genocide is occurring which must be stopped. What kind of humans would we be if we didn't step in? The thing about Iraq that irks me is, the justification the government used to get "buy in". It was clearly misrepresented. But the thing I am happy about is that someone that committed the atrocities that the former leader of Iraq did, is no longer in power. War is sadly a part of our lives regardless of our agreement with the motives. If the United States as a superpower assists another country’s cause, then naturally their enemy will hate us. That and other nations merely dis-agreeing with our motives are reasons “I think” why some in the world hate the US. jmho.

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Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 15,564	No one answered this question yet: If the world hates the US, "Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?"

08-01-2006, 10:01 PM	#76 (permalink)
sillycat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kitty travel carrier Posts: 910	Quote: Originally Posted by Reba No one answered this question yet: If the world hates the US, "Then why do so many people try so hard to immigrate to the US?" Most of the people who try to immigrate to US are from poor countries and are looking for better $$ jobs. There are others who come to get away from dictator countries and some for better colleges.

08-01-2006, 10:19 PM	#77 (permalink)
webexplorer I'm listening to everyone Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 3,122	Reba - It is obvious that they want to get a better job in our country, and they do not care anything, but money. I think that they know that our country is a superpower warfare which mean that they feel security to be in the country. Other countries will have the same superpower because of the nuclear missles from Russia. The migrators do not have the things that we have such computers, fancy radios, cell phones, electric games, etc. And, they hate to get an approval from their government if it is ok for them to have a business or not. We have free market here. Off subject - The Russia blackmarket sold nuclear supplies to many countries 10 years ago because Russia government was broke. Even, the Russia's security was very poor in these days. The only thing that I don't understand that it has the largest amount of ruby and diamonds in the world that would save the government business alive and go on etc...

08-02-2006, 10:42 AM	#85 (permalink)
IslandGal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 4,152	Opal, homeless people can be found anywhere in the world not only in the USA. I once went to England several years ago and I have seen some homeless people around in there.