Why the World Hates the US? - Page 14

Liebling:-))) · 06-12-2008, 08:57 AM

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OK. You and many civilians and soldiers who work on the German bases support the conduct of the Iraq war.

We work under UNO and NATO. They are for to protect/defense the people against enemies and try to solve with issues with them to aviod war, not attack them.

The people from UNO told Bush that Saddam do not have WMD... Yes, Saddam allow them to inspect Saddam's - no WMD but why ignore and continue war for?

Reba · 06-12-2008, 08:59 AM

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Someone agree with you... yes, Saddam should get arrest in Gulf War and then over, not Iraq War ...

...and just how were they supposed to "arrest" Saddam without using military force to get him? Just knock on his door with a warrant?

Liebling:-))) · 06-12-2008, 09:07 AM

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oil? do you have any shred of evidence that we really did attack Iraq for its oil?

Go to google and type "Iraq war for oil"... it will tell alot that oil is the reason... They all KNEW that Saddam don't have WMD....

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Secret US plans for Iraq's oil

Exclusive: Bush Wanted To Invade Iraq If Elected in 2000

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Did you not read that article? Saddam deceived us into believing he had WMD and chemical labs. We had satellites and informers to prove it. His deception was quite sophisticated. Like i said - U.N. and the world urged Saddam to allow inspectors in but he did not so..... whose fault is it? and how do you exactly arrest Saddam???? By serving him an arrest warrant?

Fact is: UNO inspectors visited Iraq and inspect but none of WMD there... Saddam did not stopped them for inspect anything... UNO inspectors told Bush that Saddam do not have WMD.

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and who is exactly this terrorists?

Don't you know that terrorists tried and fail here in Germany last year? Next time, watch TV more often then you will know more and will know who terrorists are.

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Some innocents died, you know.

Yes, toooo many innocents.

Liebling:-))) · 06-12-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

...and just how were they supposed to "arrest" Saddam without using military force to get him? Just knock on his door with a warrant?

They won at Gulf war, Remember? Look at example: US won at WWII with soliders from different countries against Germany... They got arrested and Hilter end his life himself before he will get arrest. They arrested Germans... Right?

Reba · 06-12-2008, 09:12 AM

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We work under UNO and NATO. They are for to protect/defense the people against enemies and try to solve with issues with them to aviod war, not attack them.[/color]

Is "UNO" the same as the United Nations (UN)? I assume it's not the card game.

For whom do you actually work and draw a salary? The US Army or the United Nations?

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The people from UNO told Bush that Saddam do not have WMD... Yes, Saddam allow them to inspect Saddam's - no WMD but why ignore and continue war for?

Read this:

SECURITY COUNCIL HOLDS IRAQ IN ‘MATERIAL BREACH’ OF DISARMAMENT OBLIGATIONS, OFFERS FINAL CHANCE TO COMPLY, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1441 (2002)

Reba · 06-12-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

They won at Gulf war, Remember? Look at example: US won at WWII with soliders from different countries against Germany... They got arrested and Hilter end his life himself before he will get arrest. They arrested Germans... Right?

Exactly. They had to use military force (war) to capture them. That's what the United States and its allies did in Iraq--they used military force (war) to get Saddam.

Reba · 06-12-2008, 09:18 AM

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Yes, toooo many innocents.

Yes. It's a shame how the "brave" Iraqi leaders used their civilians for their own protective "shields". It's a shame how Iraqi officials refused to let civilians flee to safety. It's a shame how terrorists in Iraq kill civilians shopping in markets, attending weddings and funerals, or standing in lines for jobs.

Liebling:-))) · 06-12-2008, 09:20 AM

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If the "world" is furious with American, then why does Germany allow Americans to use their base to support the war in Iraq? If you "all" want the US to leave Iraq, then why does your country support the US Army in Germany? The bases in Germany directly support the war in Iraq.

Bush threaten Schröder to get his US soliders in Germany to leave. The fact is we (many) do not support Iraq War. Bush was not happy with Schröder because he rejected Iraq War.

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That's your opinion.

No, it's not opinion but the fact. Go google and type :Iraq War is an illegal.

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Who are "we", and who said that Saddam was responsible for the 9/11 attack?

Bush did at beginning... I withnessed on TV on that same day 9/11 was happened. I never forget Bush's word. He was very angry and said: "We are going to attack Iraq and want Saddam alive..." Yes, we beleive and give him right until we realized slowly what it doing...... after Saddam's arrest......

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Please give me a link to this official judgment by the "world".

I should say: Many countries ...

Reba · 06-12-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Bush threaten Schröder to get his US soliders in Germany to leave. The fact is we (many) do not support Iraq War. Bush was not happy with Schröder because he rejected Iraq War.

But your work on the American bases does support the war anyway.

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No, it's not opinion but the fact. Go google and type :Iraq War is an illegal.

"Google" is not an official citation; many more opinions, just like you have an "opinion." Please give me an official site that proves an actual legal decision.

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Bush did at beginning... I withnessed on TV on that same day 9/11 was happened. I never forget Bush's word. He was very angry and said: "We are going to attack Iraq and want Saddam alive..." Yes, we beleive and give him right until we realized slowly what it doing...... after Saddam's arrest......

Here is the full transcript of the President's speech on 9/11. Saddam's name isn't even mentioned.

Statement by the President in Address to the Nation

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I should say: Many countries ...

OK. Give me the official links for "many countries."

Liebling:-))) · 06-13-2008, 07:15 AM

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Who says it's an illegal war?

Everyone including soliders who experienced Iraq, websites, etc... and The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

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Here are the oaths:

I've taken the oath many times. Notice that the member is promising to obey the President and the officers above him or her.

It written that they only support and defend against enemies, not attack other countries. The soliders CAN say NO with reasons. Many soliders say no with reason is illegal war.

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Yes, that pertains to specific acts and orders.

Exactly, they can say no when they feel it's illegal or no right.

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Where is this "law"? Please give a link to your citation.

Come on, you must have known it's illegal to attack other countries for no reasons... I thought you know UN law...

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Exactly because terrorists hide everywhere is why the war against terrorism is so wide-spread. It would be foolish and dangerous to wait until they strike again.

That's why we have Army bases is defend and support us and our country against enemies...

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Don't forget that this is defensive and offensive--the terrorists attacked first.

Not just that Iraq but everywhere around the world.

Liebling:-))) · 06-13-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

The United States is a member of the United Nations but they are not the same thing, and their missions are not the same. The UN feels responsible for the whole world; the US is not responsible for the whole world.

Yes, Germans are also member of UN, too. Accord UN, soliders are not allow to attack other countries but support and defend the people against enemies... That's it.

It's not just US and German but other soliders from different countries as well. That's why I call US or German or whatever when I know they are member of UNO.

Liebling:-))) · 06-13-2008, 07:40 AM

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Is "UNO" the same as the United Nations (UN)? I assume it's not the card game.

UNO = United Nations Organization

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For whom do you actually work and draw a salary? The US Army or the United Nations?

Normally, I work for US Army and NATO, not UN but UNO involve...

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Read this:

SECURITY COUNCIL HOLDS IRAQ IN ‘MATERIAL BREACH’ OF DISARMAMENT OBLIGATIONS, OFFERS FINAL CHANCE TO COMPLY, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1441 (2002)

You need to look both side...

There're few links of UN Inspectors......

Rice would like the public to believe that no one is to blame because everyone was misled by the intelligence. In fact, U.N. weapons inspectors declared weeks before the invasion that Hussein did not possess WMD. The inspectors publicly lambasted consistently false and misleading U.S. intelligence leading up to the war:

[On March 7, 2003], the head of the IAEA, Mohamed El-Baradei, reported that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had any nuclear weapons or was in the process of acquiring them. Mr Blix said: “By then, Mohamed ElBaradei revealed that Niger was not authentic.” British intelligence falsely claimed Iraq had been trying to acquire uranium from Niger. [4/28/05] (click the link) then read everything...

So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they’ve been getting as “garbage after garbage after garbage.” … The inspectors find themselves caught between the Iraqis, who are masters at the weapons-hiding shell game, and the United States, whose intelligence they’ve found to be circumstantial, outdated or just plain wrong. [2/20/03] (click the link) then read everything...

Chief United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix told the U.N. Security Council that his inspection teams had not found any “smoking guns” after visiting some 125 Iraqi sites. [1/9/03] (click the link) then read everything...

Think Progress » Rice Falsely Claims U.N. Inspectors Thought Saddam Hussein Had WMD

It look like that Rice tried to blame UN... It's no excuse to blame UN inspectors or whatever for "thought" because Bush should say "Thought" or "Suspect" do not count on him but want the fact... and want the proof...

The fact that Bush refuse to accept that "thought" or "no WMD"

Bush ‘Still Believed Saddam Possessed WMD’ In April 2006»
Think Progress » Bush ‘Still Believed Saddam Possessed WMD’ In April 2006

Bush, for his part, was not disposed to second-guessing. Througout 2006, he read historical texts relating to Lincoln, Churchill, and Truman — three wartime leaders, the latter two of whom left office to something less than public acclaim. History would acquit him, too. Bush was confident of that, and of something else as well. Though it was not the sort of thing one could say publicly anymore, the president still believed that Saddam had possessed weapons of mass destruction. He repeated this conviction to Andy Card all the way up until Card’s departure in April 2006, almost exactly three years after the Coalition had begun its fruitless search for WMDs. [p. 388]

Bush’s belief is nothing more than a delusion. Between the U.S. invasion and April 2006, numerous government inspectors concluded, beyond a doubt, that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. Evidently, none of these were conclusive enough to convince the President that he was wrong:

Despite evidence of Saddam’s continued ambition to acquire nuclear weapons, to date we have not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile material. [Iraq Survey Group Interim Progress Report, 10/2/03](click the link) then read everything...

“My summary view, based on what I’ve seen, is we’re very unlikely to find large stockpiles of weapons. … I don’t think they exist.” [Former U.N. inspector David Kay, 1/26/04](click the link) then read everything...

“The ISG has not found evidence that Saddam possessed WMD stocks in 2003.” [Iraq Survey Group Report, 10/7/04](click the link) then read everything...

Transcript: Bush Responds to WMD Reportwashingtonpost.com: Transcript: Bush Responds to WMD Report interesting...

The fact is Saddam have no WMD... Bush refuse to beleive that Saddam do not have WMD. It's him...

Liebling:-))) · 06-13-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Exactly. They had to use military force (war) to capture them. That's what the United States and its allies did in Iraq--they used military force (war) to get Saddam.

They are suppose to arrest Saddam when they won at Gulf war, don't they?

Liebling:-))) · 06-13-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yes. It's a shame how the "brave" Iraqi leaders used their civilians for their own protective "shields". It's a shame how Iraqi officials refused to let civilians flee to safety. It's a shame how terrorists in Iraq kill civilians shopping in markets, attending weddings and funerals, or standing in lines for jobs.

It's not just Iraq but everywhere... It happens. How do we including Iraq know?

Liebling:-))) · 06-13-2008, 08:08 AM

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But your work on the American bases does support the war anyway.

We support legal war

... They doing their job to defend/support against enemies.

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"Google" is not an official citation; many more opinions, just like you have an "opinion." Please give me an official site that proves an actual legal decision.

No matter, because we need both sides, not one side. Some have their own experiences and some not. We make our good judgement on kind of websites...

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Here is the full transcript of the President's speech on 9/11. Saddam's name isn't even mentioned.

Statement by the President in Address to the Nation

It's Government talk... You beleive it... it's fine... I do not expect you to beleive me but it's truth is I WITNESS it... I saw with my own eyes at Bush's speech on that day on TV. I am surprised that they denied and removed Bush's speech... Next day, very hot in office... All are upset and talk about Saddam, etc.... It look like that Bush KNEW it's not Saddam and get his people to remove some of his speech or false his speech...

I cannot beleive that Bush denied it!!! I witnessed his talk on TV. Yes He DID mentioned Saddam on TV. His speech lead us beleive that it's Saddam.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm

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OK. Give me the official links for "many countries."

Come on, you need both sides, not one side... Please go to google to read that the people from many countries were furious with Bush over Iraq war.

World Prout Assembly: The whole world is furious with America
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/ar...e_world_2.html

Anyway, it's too late for me to edit my previous post over WMD.

60 Minutes: CIA Official Reveals Bush, Cheney, Rice Were Personally Told Iraq Had No WMD in Fall 2002

Think Progress » 60 Minutes: CIA Official Reveals Bush, Cheney, Rice Were Personally Told Iraq Had No WMD in Fall 2002

Liebling:-))) · 06-13-2008, 08:11 AM

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Bush threaten Schröder to get his US soliders in Germany to leave. The fact is we (many) do not support Iraq War. Bush was not happy with Schröder because he rejected Iraq War.

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But your work on the American bases does support the war anyway.

Bush tried to threat Schröder but Schröder stay hard... Bush can't tell his people to leave Germany

Cheri · 06-13-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

No, it's not opinion but the fact. Go google and type :Iraq War is an illegal.

No, it was not illegal, it just wasn't necessary, while others might think the war was necessary. Many people always debate whether the war was worth it or not.

Liebling:-))) · 06-13-2008, 09:01 AM

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No, it was not illegal, it just wasn't necessary, while others might think the war was necessary. Many people always debate whether the war was worth it or not.

No UN from different countries also consider it as illegal, too.

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It's UN's word...
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

I work for US Army and know work climate (atmosphere) about Iraq War... It's really fact, not opinion because the soliders experienced it and know the difference, also policital, too... not just people like us...

It's illegal because UN told Bush that Saddam do not have WMD but Bush still beleive that Saddam have WMD and send soliders there and killed... when he KNEW that Saddam do not have WMD.

You said it's not necassary war... why solider killed for? UN only allow soliders to go other countries to defend and support against enemies for REAL reasons, not just no reason.

PowerON · 06-13-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

No, it's not opinion but the fact. Go google and type :Iraq War is an illegal.

It's England's fault in many centuries than any country, they start.

Cheri · 06-13-2008, 09:10 AM

I'm sorry but it's not a fact, it just opinions of the people, including the American soldiers. The President of the United States gets to decide whether the United States goes to war or not after going through the Congress, there's never an illegal war, having a war must be within reasons, and Bush had his reason for the war in Iraq, it doesn't mean we the people have to agree with his reasons.

Having an illegal war would means if the President went ahead without the authority from the congress.

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