Why the World Hates the US? - Page 13

Byrdie714 · 06-11-2008, 01:38 PM

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Germany did not but America did.

Yes, I think it´s not okay... Good thing, they did not.

Yes Japan started it but they attacked only Pearl Harbor where US Army were around to kill/hurt US Army and innocents people.

America attacked all the whole Japan. They should attack Japanese Army or Navy bases, not the whole Japan to kill inncoents.

They planned but lucky thing is they did not that but America did.

Re-check your history facts because the Japanese also attacked mainland United States when they send a bomb near the city of Astoria-Warrenton, Oregon.

Byrdie714 · 06-11-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

No, atom bomb is Germany's program. Americans used German scientists for that... Nice try...

Actually the German scientists immigrated to the United States to escape Germany's persecution of the Jews.

Germany's lost became America's gain.

Reba · 06-11-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

During and after WWII yes, they protect people from Nazi and Hilter

No. The Allies defeated the Germans, and took control of the country. The Allies were not invited by Germans to "protect people from Nazi and Hitler".

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Exactly, that's what I tried to tell you in previous posts... Without troops's protect, the whole Germany would become communist...

That was a side after effect; that was NOT the reason for establishing bases in Germany.

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I would advise you to pay your attention on world new TV...Terrorists have been tried in Germany and fail after tried on other EU countries.

So? That has nothing to do with the reason that America has bases in Germany. America has bases in Germany because Germany LOST the war.

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You do not want to see the logical why American bases are in Germany in my previous posts... Okay.

The logical, historical, factual, actual, true reason that the US was able to establish military bases in Germany was because America and the Allies won WWII, and Germany lost. That's it.

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I don't know what should I cry or laugh... This is a feeble excuse!!!

It's not an "excuse", feeble or otherwise. It's factual history. Countries are not allowed to establish military bases in other countries unless they force their way in. That "force" is called WAR. The USA has not defeated Russia, China, or India in WAR, so the USA is NOT allowed to put bases in those countries.

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Exactly, that's why there're anti-war groups around.

The world are furious with America for continue with war... because we all want peace and leave Iraq alone.

If the "world" is furious with American, then why does Germany allow Americans to use their base to support the war in Iraq? If you "all" want the US to leave Iraq, then why does your country support the US Army in Germany? The bases in Germany directly support the war in Iraq.

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They allow foreign military members stationed in America... So? They might allow foreign military members to build the bases if they want to.

Foreign military members are only allowed in the US as "guests". They are NOT allowed to establish bases, and they can be told to leave at any time. Foreign military members are usually in the US for training or liaison duty.

The US does NOT allow foreign military bases on our land.

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Please don't twist my post... I said that many US Army bases in different countries around the world to protect them is a defense.

If you said that US Army bases is not for protect/defense their countries which mean that they attack other countries, not protect/defense? Right?

Americans establish military bases to benefit the missions of the USA and their treaty partners. If the success of those missions require defending the host countries, then they will defend the host countries.

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Because Iraq war is an illegal and criminal war.

That's your opinion.

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At first we support and beleive that Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and terrorist, etc. until after Saddam Hussein's arrest and executed...

Who are "we", and who said that Saddam was responsible for the 9/11 attack?

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The world know the oil is the reason why US government want troops continue to attack Iraq.. .which is an illegal and criminal. The world are furious with US Government and want to leave Iraq alone...

Please give me a link to this official judgment by the "world".

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No wonder why US soliders were being killed... because Iraq soliders want to defend their countries against US soliders.

You better check you sources on the nationalities of the terrorists and their backers in the Iraq attacks.

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We only support troops to defend our countries and serve for our countries and help/save victims against enemies, etc.

This might come as a news flash to you but it's not the supreme mission of the USA to protect and serve Germany. Germans might have to actually protect themselves some day.

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I support troops for DEFENSE our country, not order them to kill inncocent people... Get it?

Guess what? If and when the USA has to defend Germany, they might kill some innocent people in the process.

Get it?

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...The fact is German government do not want war but defense.

Like you said, "Don't say 'Never'...because you never know..."

Byrdie714 · 06-11-2008, 01:48 PM

June 21, 1942--Fort Stevens was attacked by a Japanese submarine.

June 21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Liebling:-))) · 06-11-2008, 01:51 PM

Reba, I can say many things what I know but I choose to not because you denied soliders´ experience in real life and also choose to not to make heat debate. I quote part of your posts to make limit answer. I said the same thing about you as well, Jiro123.

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Originally Posted by Reba

I can't believe you have the gall to say that you support American soldiers and yet you post something that accuses them of being murderous mercenaries!

Not only inaccurate but also extremely insulting.

This is a false statement of you.. I accuse nothing but provided the links and show the pictures and explain why anti-war groups tried to stop soliders for go to Iraq. Extremely insulting... ?Are you saying that pictures are lie and inaccurate? I call that insult when anyone deny the pictures and accuse it as extremely insulting... Who sick?

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They are proud of their years of duty for the US military, whatever that service included. Their type of service depends on their career specialty and their assignments.

That´s an exactly what I support to, not go and attack other countries.

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You are sick.

wow, the question, I made toward you is not sick, insult or accuse but ASK... because you said that many soliders are pride/proud... I am sorry if you don´t like my question... Who sick? You said this yourself, not me.

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Your attitude is no different from the protesters during the Vietnam war who would shout, "baby killer" at American soldiers when they returned home. Very nice support and homecoming.

I feel sorry for you. I can say a lot if I want to but I can´t.

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Of course the horrors of war disturb normal people.

Normal American soldiers try to avoid killing innocent people but the nature of war isn't neat and pretty.

Yes, I know they tried their best but they should do something with Iraq soliders bases.

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Who needs that kind of "support", with all your conditions. You can keep it, they don't want it.

How can you stand to work for these soldiers that you accuse of killing innocent people?

I want to say but I can´t because I know you will deny it.

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I suppose you would be very happy if the US just sat around waiting to be attacked.

This is a false statement of you.

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Conducting war is not the same as police arresting criminals. I don't know from where you get those misconceptions. For one thing, the authorities of one country aren't allowed to enter and arrest criminals in another country. For another thing, international terrorism is more than a felony crime; it's war.

The point, I want to say... who start Iraq war, that´s all. They arrested right one is Saddam... and then over but continue to go Iraq? That´s point what I want to say...but you deny it.

Liebling:-))) · 06-11-2008, 01:56 PM

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Actually the German scientists immigrated to the United States to escape Germany's persecution of the Jews.

Germany's lost became America's gain.

That´s right. German scientists do not want to build the atomic bomb for Hilter & Nazi to bomb many countries... American use them to build Atomic bomb with their program for them.

Liebling:-))) · 06-11-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Re-check your history facts because the Japanese also attacked mainland United States when they send a bomb near the city of Astoria-Warrenton, Oregon.

Oh yes,

for fresh my memory... Yes, but not the whole America.

Reba · 06-11-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

...Yes Japan started it but they attacked only Pearl Harbor where US Army were around to kill/hurt US Army and innocents people.

America attacked all the whole Japan. They should attack Japanese Army or Navy bases, not the whole Japan to kill inncoents....

You might want to read this:

STATISTICS OF JAPANESE GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

Liebling:-))) · 06-11-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Hey ya'll...

*checks thermometer*

This thread is getting pretty heated... let's cool down a bit and stop arguing.

Make love... not war!

Unfortunlately yes, you are right... I noticed it, too. I decide to not response the posts and leave their posts alone...or not repeat their posts..

Let them think what they want...

Liebling:-))) · 06-11-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You might want to read this:

STATISTICS OF JAPANESE GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

Yes I aware it and do not deny what and how Japanese did to many countries and kill/hurt innocent people but atomic bomb to the whole kill innocent people? They should do something to Japanese soliders/Navy...

Tousi · 06-11-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes I aware it and do not deny what and how Japanese did to many countries and kill/hurt innocent people but atomic bomb to the whole kill innocent people? They should do something to Japanese soliders/Navy...

The dropping of the atomic bombs, believe it or not, saved lives on both sides.

Byrdie714 · 06-11-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Oh yes,

for fresh my memory... Yes, but not the whole America.

Doesn't matter because it is still an attack on America.

Chase · 06-11-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes I know why Americans got bases here in Germany, so?

All what I say that they are here in Germany to defend our countries against enemies, not go to attack enemy's countries..

That is so funny and so untrue. I was stationed in Germany for two years on a captured German flugplatz (small airport). I was an officer keenly aware of our mission then . . . the same as it is now: a military presence to make sure Germany does not build its military to a strength to begin yet another world war as it did twice before in the 1900s.

We are not invited. We are occupation troops proved necessary by prior history, "old" as it may be. That is exactly the reason we are hated. Too bad. Being hated by some is better than allowing the chance of a third world war.

Hateful words shouldn't fool anyone. It's the reason same we're now in Persia. To prevent more attacks against U.S. civilians.

Liebling:-))) · 06-11-2008, 03:08 PM

Chase, I am talking about present time, not WWII ... I never say Germans invited US soliiders to protect Nazi and Hilter. I really have no idea why anyone said this when I want to talk about present time.

I really has no idea why anyone brought WWII issues up when we want to talk about soliders and focus Iraq issues at present time.

Yes, it´s fact that US army bases are everywhere in many countries around the world to protect the people from enemies. The fact is a defense.

The fact is the world don´t hate America but disagree with America, that´s all.

Reba · 06-11-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

...Yes, it´s fact that US army bases are everywhere in many countries around the world to protect the people from enemies. The fact is a defense.

I think you are confusing the "UN" with the "US".

Reba · 06-11-2008, 03:21 PM

Chase, you and WWII are ancient "history"; move on.

Chase · 06-11-2008, 04:25 PM

I agree, but "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
-- George Santayana

Liebling:-))) · 06-12-2008, 07:53 AM

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I cannot support troops who speak out against their superiors. That's the sign of mutiny, disruption, and disobedience. We can't have any of those in military - no matter what the case is. When you join military - you are sworn to uphold the Constitution and chain of command. You are expected to follow the orders explicitly - for the sake of survival. Soldier's opinion is of no concern and should be limited to one's self. He has no place in military to question their authority.

I got a link from someone today and remember your post. I would have agree with you if it's an official/legal war.

I am typing on their behalf to respone your post.

The soliders have the right to refuse to go Iraq because it's an illegal war. It's not their job to attack Iraq and kill Iraqis... Accord Oaths, they are agree to support and defend America against all enemies from different countries. It did not written on Oaths that they are agree to attack other countries. It's Bush who violate the law, not soliders.

Again, if a US soldier feel an order is an illegal then they may refuse it. For example, if a solider is being order to shoot innocent people including children, then that soldier may refuse that order.

Accord the law about self-defence against Iraq is acceptance if Iraq attack America or western countries first. This is law, that's why solider has the right to refuse to serve illegal war.

Oaths of Enlistment and Oaths of Office

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A hijacked jumbo jet of 500 passengers flying toward to NYC from Atlantic Ocean. The President and military generals do not know for sure what the terrorists' agenda is. All they know is that the plane is hijacked. We cannot afford to take a risk that maybe he will hit the skyscraper in NYC or maybe he just wants to land at LaGuardia airport. Therefore - the President issued an order to shoot it down. However, a pilot refused to do so because of innocent people in plane. Do you want that kind of soldier in military?

It's a legal to defend against terrorists for attack our country.

Nobody know what, when and how terrorists did or come because terrorists are hide everywhere in the world... How could we know?

Soliders fight against terrorism.. I know it's not very easy because terrorists could be smart sometimes...

Liebling:-))) · 06-12-2008, 07:54 AM

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I think you are confusing the "UN" with the "US".

Well, I call "US" because they are Americans.

Liebling:-))) · 06-12-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Let's make this clear.

Liebling, do you support the U.S. military being stationed and fighting in countries all over the world?

If yes, then it makes sense for you to work for the U.S. military in Germany.

If no, then it does not make sense for you to work for the U.S. military in Germany, unless you do it just for the money. That would make sense, and that would also be hypocritical.

You can see why people are confused by your statements. If you say that you don't support U.S. military involvement overseas, we can't understand why you want to continue working for the U.S. military. Your work in the support services makes it possible for the U.S. military to continue their mission overseas.

Simple answer: I do not support illegal war.

Liebling:-))) · 06-12-2008, 08:26 AM

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You've never seen the international anti-war protesters on TV news? Have you asked your military friends how they feel when they see and hear so many people criticize them or look down on them?

Past AND present. Don't you know about Code Pink?

For Iraq war only.

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There are many career military people who are proud of their service. But it's still disheartening to hear and see that the people back home don't support them. How would you feel if large groups of people publicly criticized you every day for every thing that you did? Even if you know you are doing the right thing, it is NOT support to have people constantly criticizing you. Especially when you are far from home in a dangerous place, and you aren't allowed to speak back to the criticizers.

Like what I told you yesterday that I never have any experience with pride soliders who brags for go to Iraq dozen of times, etc. I asked someone either they experienced about pride soliders... so I pick some of their stories today.

Accord someone's behalf: They said "pride"/"proud" mean is happy and satisfied feeling after experience something... but war? They loves their job and like to serve for their country to support and defense for people and country has nothing do with pride/proud. They feel that the word of "pride" like big-headed or don't care about anything but themselves. They don't like to hear those word "pride"... it make them sick... It's what I thought the same but I didn't say anything to you yesterday because I never experience to being involve with "pride" military like this in real life before. They only disagreed for go Iraq war, that's it.

It's disheartening to hear and see that the pride military people label/criticize soilders who stand their rights for refuses to serve illegal war as a coward, chicken, etc.? I don't have any experience to know them for label/criticize soliders like that but someone does. It's not just anti-war group because pride military did the same thing to soliders who refused to serve illegal war as well.

Reba · 06-12-2008, 08:28 AM

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Simple answer: I do not support illegal war.

But the work you do at the base does support the conduct of the Iraq war.

Reba · 06-12-2008, 08:30 AM

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Well, I call "US" because they are Americans.

The United States is a member of the United Nations but they are not the same thing, and their missions are not the same. The UN feels responsible for the whole world; the US is not responsible for the whole world.

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Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 16,426	Chase, you and WWII are ancient "history"; move on.

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Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,316	I agree, but "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it." -- George Santayana