Why the World Hates the US? - Page 10

Reba · 06-05-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

I'm sure Reba is thrilled to discovered she was in the army.

I have nothing against ground pounders but it was the Navy for me. Call me "Swabby".

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

I read very carefully, even through all the denial and ignorant double-talk. I repeat, it's easy to "get."

If you read carefully then please show me where I defend Adolf Hilter and said that Adolf never cruel to his people.

Chase · 06-05-2008, 03:03 PM

Yeah, well, what's an error in fact here and there and over there and maybe over here again?

"Over hill over dale, we will hit the dusty trail as those caissons go anchor aweigh!" No, wait, caissons don't float. They go off into the wild blue yonder. No. Oh, who cares? I'll deny I messed up the song later. Semper fi.

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

For whatever reason that you work for the American military, the result is the same. Your work supports American military missions all over the world, and I am grateful for that. However, you must realize that it seems very hypocritical to say that you don't approve of American military fighting in Iraq but you work for that same military. It's true that you work in Germany, not Iraq, but Germany is a very important support facility to the war in Iraq. Many American soldiers and airmen pass thru the Germany bases on their ways to and from Iraq. If the bases in Germany were closed, it would create a hardship for the American forces. So, it's quite clear that your work does support the war in Iraq. I'm not complaining; I'm glad that the German bases are available to support the war.

I'm not discussing how Americans feel. I was asking about your rationalization for working for a military whose missions you disagree with.

That's my point. If you are against the war in Iraq, why do you help Americans fight that war? The same pot of money that pays your salary also pays for the war in Iraq.

But you do support the soldiers fighting the war in Iraq because your job helps them to do that. If you support the war in Iraq, then that's consistent with your employment, and that's OK. But if you are against American soldiers fighting in Iraq, then your employment is inconsistent with your stated beliefs. That's all.

It doesn´t mean that I MUST agree all the time because I work for US Army caserne. I can agree and disagree what I feel like to, no matter either I work or live. I am not alone who see that view over Iraq war issues.

It does the same example, that it doesn´t mean that I MUST agree with German law all the time because I live in Germany.

I agree that army casernes are everywhere in different countries in the world to defend our countries against emenies. I disagree for go to attack enemies´s countries to kill innocnent people without proof.

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

Yeah, well, what's an error in fact here and there and over there and maybe over here again?

"Over hill over dale, we will hit the dusty trail as those caissons go anchor aweigh!" No, wait, caissons don't float. They go off into the wild blue yonder. No. Oh, who cares? I'll deny I messed up the song later. Semper fi.

You deny it...

Okkaayyy, never mind...

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 03:17 PM

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Well, USA isn't alone about different political system that cause you had turned off, Many countries, such as Mexico has some ridiculous stuff in political system, such as immigrant law issue. We are in different system and you don't need to be worry or complain about us.

I already explain that there´re cons/pros in every countries in the world. I support people, not policial system.

Anyway, I am not here to complaint or worry but support the people who share their experiences with me.

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I'm not want damn to follow Europe's law, no thanks.

This is your choice.

I do not influence your decision but follow your own choice what you feel in your heart. Like what I say before that each person is different. What I feel is different as you and others... I wasn´t realized that someone took my post personal because I prefer to be European, not American.

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Let's briefly review history.

Hitler invaded countries.

Hussein invaded countries. (Did you forget Iran and Kuwait?)

Hitler committed genocide against ethnic groups.

Hussein committed genocide against ethnic groups. (Did you forget the Kurds?)

Hitler had his political enemies killed.

Hussein had his political enemies killed.

No what and how Hilter did the worst!!!!!!!!! Can you please tell me how many countries, Hilter let his soliders to attack to compare with 2 countries, Hussein attacked to?

Hussein and 2 countries are enemy country for ages and attack each other which Hilter and other countries doesn´t. This is a difference. Hilter started to attack them... they were no emeny to him until WWII.......

Hussein and Hilter killed their own people. Hilter made his people, politicans, and other people from different countries suffer to death in camp and make them slave. Hussein?

The people were scared of Hilter and Hussein and must obey them. They would end to kill if they disowned them.

I tried to compare both... Nope, what and how Hussein and Hilter did is total different.

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 03:57 PM

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Hundreds of thousands of Jews slaughtered were men, women, and children with full German citizenship. I visited Dachau near Munich and saw the photos, read the rolls. Many, many deaf and blind and other "defective" Germans were also put to death.

I shared about this issues where I visited to in my thread "Germany culture" at few years ago. So?

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As I've pointed out several times, you have no idea what constitutes logical comparison, just as you had no clue to analogy. You just throw it all against the outhouse wall, hoping some of it will sticks and causes pain or problems.

I can see that you tried to belittle me here because you don´t like my view. You can´t change me. It´s my POV, period. I do not want to argue with you or anyone or belittle you or anyone that´s because I am not an American and have different view as you and some ADers. I share what I know and what I experience. I accept what you are but I am allow to agree or disagree with you in polite and respectful way, not belittle you ...

I am sorry if you don´t like my view but you has no reason to take my post personal when I see different as you. This is debate forum... You must have know it.

Chase · 06-05-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I can see that you tried to belittle me here because you don´t like my view.

It's always easier to let people belittle themselves. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

You can´t change me.

Always a fair stance for debate. Again, there's no need to belittle those whose own words do it so well.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

. . . you has no reason to take my post personal when I see different as you.

Nothing taken personally. It's just countering ignorance and hatred one misinformed bigot at a time.

darkage · 06-05-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Let's briefly review history.

Hussein invaded countries. (Did you forget Iran and Kuwait?)

Is this typo?

Iraq, not Iran.

Do u remember Iraq and Iran were in war?
Most time, Iraq use chemical for warfare to kill his own people and Iran's people.

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by darkage

Do u remember Iraq and Iran were in war?
Most time, Iraq use chemical for warfare to kill his own people and Iran's people.

Yes, that´s right, including babies as well.

Jiro · 06-05-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by darkage

Is this typo?

Iraq, not Iran.

Do u remember Iraq and Iran were in war?
Most time, Iraq use chemical for warfare to kill his own people and Iran's people.

It's not a typo. Saddam did invade a small part of Iran to eradicate Kurds - more like fired some chemical missiles at them.

Byrdie714 · 06-05-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

It is not necessary for you are picking on someone that you don't agree.

Nothing is perfect. In fact, I know some soldiers are not happy in Iraq. Some of them are victimized or serious traumas from killing Iraqi people or under attacks. There are a lot of uncivilized people in Middle East, and they brave to believe in religious by telling them to kill people which is not faith themselves because they are brainwashed.

Liebling made a choice to live in Germany with her husband and her children. They are very happy to be there. I am sure that there are a lot of German people are smart than American people. But, I am not saying that we are stupid and lazy. We are virtually victimized of what was happened at World Trade Center, and we were cheated in many things going on in the political events that we don't hear very often.

The problem is that some of us believe everything in the political issues on the news everyday. The information you see or hear which seem true, but you still have to sit back and think about it. It does not matter that it has the fact or not because we have a lot of propaganda in our country. The censorship is still controlled by Time Warner for media news on national television and included some U.S. Gov't's controls and Evangelicals. I still think that they (media) are baby.

Reba told us that she is retired from U.S. Army. She is what she believe in the political issues as well. Sometimes, she is right. It seems that she insists that she is always right all the times. We have the Freedom of Speech anything we wish to talk about. I assume that she has never visited in Iraq or enemy countries. She is really lucky that she stays in our country, and she probably glad to be retired. She is always good at spot things on AD like something missing or error information. Perhaps, she has hawk's eyes. I really enjoy to read Reba's comments. I wish that we have to understand that we need balance between good and bad on our comments.

Let's go back to Liebling. She works at a medical lab for the U.S. military. What is wrong with her job? She cares about our country. Without her, where can we send our injury soldiers in Germany with no available space for them? For sake, she speaks in English and German. Many of us don't know what is REALLY happen in our news so the other country like Germany knows the other side of the news so they want to inform us. We have to learn to compromise the information to come out which one is fact or not. It is not that simple because things are changed quickly.

If they aren't happy in Iraq, then they shouldn't have signed up for our military service. There will alwys be men and women in uniform that is not going to agree with the commander in chief but have to obey his orders.

If not, there is consequences.

Secondly, most men and women in uniform are paid nicely for their service in the military.

Also just because one is bi-lingual doesn't necessairly mean that they have comprehension skills.

webexplorer · 06-05-2008, 05:07 PM

In a shorthand, I thought that Iraq originally attacked Kuwait because it wanted to steal the oil. The Kuwait Gov't alerted the U.S. to pay attention because we bought the oil from Kuwait's company before the World Trade Center was destroyed.

Actually, I had a theory that Al Qaida's original plan was somehow to convince Hussein to attack it because Al wanted to see whether his plan is successful or not. It is probably nothing to do with Hussein, but Hussein was a very sick man.

It was a big mistake that both Clinton and Bush sent our troops there. It was complicated plan. Al's plan was also to express his other group to see that the U.S. troops invaded their country which made them angry and destroyed the WTC and Washington D.C. buildings. We haven't heard a word from Al's new plans so I assume that the U.S. Gov't censored some of the news. I don't know whether the U.S. Gov't is playing with us too long, but I do not have the fact. We also have not heard from the events in Afghanistan since then. Is our troop failing there? I just don't know.

webexplorer · 06-05-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

If they aren't happy in Iraq, then they shouldn't have signed up for our military service. There will alwys be men and women in uniform that is not going to agree with the commander in chief but have to obey his orders.

If not, there is consequences.

Secondly, most men and women in uniform are paid nicely for their service in the military.

Also just because one is bi-lingual doesn't necessairly mean that they have comprehension skills.

That's not quite true. I learned that some people need the money badly so they had to volunteer to join the troops in order to support their family for food, shelter, and a college loan payoff. After they finished their job, then they were very upset that they received half of the money or less. The U.S. Gov't lied to them that it was not the exact information.

Byrdie714 · 06-05-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

That's not quite true. I learned that some people need the money badly so they had to volunteer to join the troops in order to support their family for food, shelter, and a college loan payoff. After they finished their job, then they were very upset that they received half of the money or less. The U.S. Gov't lied to them that it was not the exact information.

Link?

I respectfully disagree with your comment due to a personal experience with a military soldier that is being paid nicely for his service to our country. His pay and benefits are rewarding.

Chances are, you may have come across an individual who didn't necessairly obeyed Uncle Sam.

webexplorer · 06-05-2008, 05:27 PM

This is 3 years old news:

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for May 9 - MSNBC Transcripts - MSNBC.com

If you know where to find an update news about a full college fund from the army, then show us the link. Also, for the same thing for college students were complaint about Gov't is not telling the whole truth when they got home from the Iraq.

Byrdie714 · 06-05-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

In a shorthand, I thought that Iraq originally attacked Kuwait because it wanted to steal the oil. The Kuwait Gov't alerted the U.S. to pay attention because we bought the oil from Kuwait's company before the World Trade Center was destroyed.

Actually, I had a theory that Al Qaida's original plan was somehow to convince Hussein to attack it because Al wanted to see whether his plan is successful or not. It is probably nothing to do with Hussein, but Hussein was a very sick man.

It was a big mistake that both Clinton and Bush sent our troops there. It was complicated plan. Al's plan was also to express his other group to see that the U.S. troops invaded their country which made them angry and destroyed the WTC and Washington D.C. buildings. We haven't heard a word from Al's new plans so I assume that the U.S. Gov't censored some of the news. I don't know whether the U.S. Gov't is playing with us too long, but I do not have the fact. We also have not heard from the events in Afghanistan since then. Is our troop failing there? I just don't know.

Clinton never sent troops to Iraq. It was Bush I and Bush II that sent troops there.

Clinton sent troops to Balkans to stop the genocide as the Europeans wouldn't intervene. Again, Europe gets into trouble and it's the Americans that have to take care of it.

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

If they aren't happy in Iraq, then they shouldn't have signed up for our military service. There will alwys be men and women in uniform that is not going to agree with the commander in chief but have to obey his orders.

If not, there is consequences.

Secondly, most men and women in uniform are paid nicely for their service in the military.

Also just because one is bi-lingual doesn't necessairly mean that they have comprehension skills.

You really have no idea...

US Army forces 50,000 soldiers into extended duty
Want To Go To War? | US Army forces 50,000 soldiers into extended duty

Soldier's duty: Say no to illegal war
Soldier's duty: Say no to illegal war

5500 US deserters : We won’t fight in Iraq
5500 US deserters : We won't fight in Iraq

Thousands of troops say they won't fight
Voters For Peace: The power to end the war and prevent future wars of aggression

Soldiers Against Iraq War Refuse To Fight
informationliberation - Soldiers Against Iraq War Refuse To Fight

Three U.S. Soldiers Refusing to Fight Speak Out Against the Iraq War

CARL WEBB: Well, I joined. I signed a contract for three years, which would have ended in August of 2004. So, by July, I was very, very happy. I was saying good-bye to everyone in my unit. On several occasions throughout the three years, I had been approached about reenlisting and I always had turned them down. So, in July, I was really happy, until I got a phone call from my sergeant.

CARL WEBB: Yes. I had one more drill to complete. And my sergeant called and said she had bad news. And she said that you're going to Iraq. And immediately I was confused. I said, well, did the unit get activated all of a sudden? She said no. The unit hasn't been activated, we're staying, but you are not going to be allowed to finish your contract. You're being extended and loaned to a different unit, which is going to Iraq..... and further read in those link... (worth to read them and listen their side).

Democracy Now! | Three U.S. Soldiers Refusing to Fight Speak Out Against the Iraq War

US Soldier Found Guilty Of Desertion At Trial in Germany
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political...tml#post792063

Images Haunt Soldier Refusing to Serve in Iraq
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political...erve-iraq.html

BBC NEWS | UK | UK troops face trauma after Iraq

BBC NEWS | Middle East | War takes toll on Iraqi mental health

That´s why I support troops.

Banjo · 06-05-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Clinton never sent troops to Iraq. It was Bush I and Bush II that sent troops there.

Clinton sent troops to Balkans to stop the genocide as the Europeans wouldn't intervene. Again, Europe gets into trouble and it's the Americans that have to take care of it.

Right, Clinton never sent troops to Iraq. However, he did order the air strikes on Iraq in the 90s.

Jiro · 06-05-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

That´s why I support troops.

I'm confused about your comment. Are you saying you support troops... deserting the military? and for refusing to fight?

Liebling:-))) · 06-05-2008, 05:38 PM

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I'm confused about your comment. Are you saying you support troops... deserting the military?

I support troops´s reasons why they do not want to go to attack Iraq to make unneccassary war. Check many links why they do not want to go Iraq.

I only support troops for defend our country against enemies, not go and attack enemy´s countries.

Chase · 06-05-2008, 05:47 PM

Has the double talk reduced any of your confusion, Jiro? Ha ha ha, you're not alone. Reminds me of speeches coming out of Germany in the late '30s, early '40s. They were head-scratchers, too.

Jiro · 06-05-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I support troops´s reasons why they do not want to go to attack Iraq to make unneccassary war. Check many links why they do not want to go Iraq.

I only support troops for defend our country against enemies, not go and attack enemy´s countries.

I cannot support troops who speak out against their superiors. That's the sign of mutiny, disruption, and disobedience. We can't have any of those in military - no matter what the case is. When you join military - you are sworn to uphold the Constitution and chain of command. You are expected to follow the orders explicitly - for the sake of survival. Soldier's opinion is of no concern and should be limited to one's self. He has no place in military to question their authority.

A hijacked jumbo jet of 500 passengers flying toward to NYC from Atlantic Ocean. The President and military generals do not know for sure what the terrorists' agenda is. All they know is that the plane is hijacked. We cannot afford to take a risk that maybe he will hit the skyscraper in NYC or maybe he just wants to land at LaGuardia airport. Therefore - the President issued an order to shoot it down. However, a pilot refused to do so because of innocent people in plane. Do you want that kind of soldier in military?

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06-05-2008, 03:03 PM	#273 (permalink)
Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,316	Yeah, well, what's an error in fact here and there and over there and maybe over here again? "Over hill over dale, we will hit the dusty trail as those caissons go anchor aweigh!" No, wait, caissons don't float. They go off into the wild blue yonder. No. Oh, who cares? I'll deny I messed up the song later. Semper fi.

06-05-2008, 05:07 PM	#284 (permalink)
webexplorer I'm listening to everyone Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 3,366	In a shorthand, I thought that Iraq originally attacked Kuwait because it wanted to steal the oil. The Kuwait Gov't alerted the U.S. to pay attention because we bought the oil from Kuwait's company before the World Trade Center was destroyed. Actually, I had a theory that Al Qaida's original plan was somehow to convince Hussein to attack it because Al wanted to see whether his plan is successful or not. It is probably nothing to do with Hussein, but Hussein was a very sick man. It was a big mistake that both Clinton and Bush sent our troops there. It was complicated plan. Al's plan was also to express his other group to see that the U.S. troops invaded their country which made them angry and destroyed the WTC and Washington D.C. buildings. We haven't heard a word from Al's new plans so I assume that the U.S. Gov't censored some of the news. I don't know whether the U.S. Gov't is playing with us too long, but I do not have the fact. We also have not heard from the events in Afghanistan since then. Is our troop failing there? I just don't know.

06-05-2008, 05:27 PM	#287 (permalink)
webexplorer I'm listening to everyone Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 3,366	This is 3 years old news: 'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for May 9 - MSNBC Transcripts - MSNBC.com If you know where to find an update news about a full college fund from the army, then show us the link. Also, for the same thing for college students were complaint about Gov't is not telling the whole truth when they got home from the Iraq.

06-05-2008, 05:47 PM	#293 (permalink)
Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,316	Has the double talk reduced any of your confusion, Jiro? Ha ha ha, you're not alone. Reminds me of speeches coming out of Germany in the late '30s, early '40s. They were head-scratchers, too.