Vance

Confidence in President Bush's job performance and the nation's direction differed sharply among different age groups, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll. The poll of 1,000 adults was taken Monday through Wednesday at the same time major changes to Social Security were being debated and news of Bush's proposed 2006 budget cuts was starting to be released.

The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, larger for subgroups.

_Overall, do you approve or disapprove or have mixed feelings about the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?

Approve, 45 percent

Disapprove, 54 percent

Not sure, 1 percent

How different age groups feel about Bush's job performance.

Age 18-29: Approve 43 percent; disapprove 57 percent

Age 30-39: Approve, 51 percent; disapprove, 49 percent

Age 40-49: Approve, 48 percent; disapprove, 50 percent

Age 50-64: Approve, 43 percent; disapprove, 56 percent

Age 65 and over: approve, 42 percent; disapprove 57 percent

_Generally speaking, would you say things in this country are heading in the right direction or are they off on the wrong track?

Right direction, 38 percent

Wrong track, 58 percent

Not sure, 4 percent

How different age groups feel about the nation's direction.

Age 18-29: Right direction, 34 percent; wrong track, 62 percent

Age 30-39: Right direction, 43 percent; wrong track, 53 percent

Age 40-49: Right direction, 42 percent; wrong track, 54 percent

Age 50-64: Right direction, 37 percent; wrong track, 61 percent

Age 65 and over: Right direction, 36 percent; wrong track, 60 percent

Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...os_bush_glance


Very, very impressive!

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Oceanbreeze

Polls are very one sided, Magatsu. One can cite a poll done by Fox News, and the numbers will be very different. I think polls are interesting, but I don't think they accurately protray the country's "barometer" on how we feel about the President's performance.

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Vance

Fraud News tend to cite a poll on large percent of republicans/conservatives hence their poll is very biased but AP's polls tend to not be biased by citing a poll on different people. That's big difference between Fraud News and non-biased news agenda like Associated Press.

In the past, many polls conducted by non-partisan organizations and recieved the similar results as AP's.

ravensteve1961

Thats Liberal propaganga crap. You know editors made those reporters put those numbers up. How many times i gotta tell you.Todays jounalist do not care about reporting the news. All they care about is liberalism is changing the world.

Codger

Magatsu, Democrats, Rupublicans, Libretarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Left and Right aside, I took a college course years ago in statistics. In that course we were taught how to skew polls toward a predetermined outcome. It is so much easier than one would imagine. A really valid poll will reach a true cross section of voters. I could conduct a poll of 1000 random persons in NYC and come up with a completely different result by a similar poll taken in a different area of the country. Or conduct my poll only on golf courses. Or in a ghetto. Truth be known, 67 1/2% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

You are very smart and also a good researcher. Find more info on this poll and who conducted it and how. I am not saying you are wrong, just that you should be wary of polls and pollsters.

Vance

That's what I did with Fraud News. That's how I found out that they tend to gather the large percent of conservatives/republicans to make the poll look good. Example: 31 out of 50 - conservatives/republicans, all left is democrats and whatsnot. That's only way for them to get 'look-good' results from the polls. If they did with 25 - 25, they will be surprised when result comes out. I mean, more and more republicans start to resist Bush and his immoral 'ideals' (hence why he recent threatened politicans that he will use 'veto' power to get his way. In many way, he is a child, not adult).

I did checked on different polls that conducted by non-partisan organizations a while ago and ratio of democrats/republicans/non-voters often to be equal. The key: non-partisan. I can use these evidences that I had on me but I lost the bookmarks/links/statistics/etc etc when one of my HDs (Hard Drive) decided to bury itself. It will take a while for me to gather all over again or I can just leave my statement as it is for you to dismiss this or not. I could care less about this if you do dismiss because I know what I saw and I know what I learned I am not ravensteve for sure Regardless of poll results and whatsnot, I know that there are large percent of Americans that don't want Bush. That's the fact which will be always fact. I surely don't need the polls to tell me otherwise.

But one thing is, you are right that polls/pollsters are to not be trust sometimes but again, depends on sources and its methods.

Cheers.

ravensteve1961

Then how he got elected Magatsu?

Vance

I dunno what you said, ravensteve. Thank God or rather, VB developers for this wonderful ignore feature.

God bless you, VB developers.

Codger

Every President in history has gained and lost support of both his own party and the general population throughout his term. It is one of the toughest jobs on the face of this planet and every decision, every inflection, every facial expression is open to the scrutiny of the world. Veto power (and more shockingly PDD's) have long been a stick a President can use to override his opponents in the congress. But his veto power has it's limits too and can be overridden. PDD's ar law by fiat.

I do not dismiss your opinions as being either unlearned or irrelevant. I was once young and idealistic as well. Though that was in the last century. I participated in a war that I did not believe in because of something bigger than me. Duty, honor. My misgivings about that war proved in later years to be true, and in retrospect, even worse than I thought. The duplicity of politicians, the greed of powerful men, the goals of international chess players. I did learn this: The more you trust a source, the more you should be suspicious of it. Make no mistake though...I love this Nation. The nation is not the government but WE THE PEOPLE.

Vance

Okay, I will take your words into consideration in the future.

ravensteve1961

Magatsu cant acceopt that bush won by a popluar vote.

Beowulf

I am not entirely comfortable with "polls" either, mainly because I have never been approached by any pollster in my life, and I would wager that no one in this forum has, either.
However, I do have a large measure of trust in my own observations derived from looking around me, talking to friends and complete strangers, and I would venture to say that the poll is incorrect: I firmly believe that the disapproval rate is considerably higher.

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Cheri

So did Clinton for two years.... You don't even like Clinton. I notice most people here don't either but he won too didn't he?


Anyways back on topic.....

Magatus, good thread, but I dunno about the poll either but I believe that most people are not happy with Bush's handling his job as president. The poll doesn't need to show me proof about how Bush is handling America. Example, Bush jumped higher postion toward Iraq. But Iraq wasn't among the states closely linked to 9/11 or al-Qaida. They've spent more than 1,000 American lives and close to $200 billion running the wrong way. Some people don't see it that way like we do. Pity isn't it?

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Vance

Thanks to Cheri for quote and good post

ravensteve, you were contradicting yourself as always. You cannot accept that Clinton and Gore won by popular votes as well. You are no better either. honestly, ravensteve, you seem love to contradict yourself, are you?

I am not only one here, there are larger percent of Americans who don't want Bush as president (Like what Beowulf said in his post).

Cheri

Anytime Magatus.

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Reba

That is weird. In my own observations derived from looking around me, talking to friends and strangers, I too would venture to say that the poll is incorrect. I firmly believe that the disapproval rate is considerably lower. I guess it all depends on who you talk to.

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Codger

Not wierd at all Reba. I get the same results talking to my friends. But If I went to...say a line of people outside a theatre showing a Michael Moore movie

Cheri

It is not werid, I have a friend who is a republican and a member of alldeaf and he voted for Bush and doesn't like what Bush is doing now for us. So I believe the poll is higher than lower.

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Beowulf

Absolutely, Cheri.

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Vance

I unfortunately live in really, really strong conservative area (Ask Gnarly or anyone who lives in South California will verify my words). You can literally smell the 'bad' air around here... yet they feel nothing but displease toward Bush is higher than four years ago because of highest deficits and poor economy policy. From here, I can see why disapprova ratel is higher than before. The polls conducted by many pollsters, the disapproval rate kept increasing and increasing.

*shrugs*

Codger

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

Gallup Poll and CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

App Dis D/K
2/7-10/05 49 48 3 1,008

* 9/21/01 90% approval. The highest approval rating recorded for any president by the Gallup Organization, which began asking the question when Franklin D. Roosevelt was in the White House.

Beowulf

Yeah, pretty depressing, isn't it? But it all went according to script. Hitler had the Reichstag fire to whip the German people into warmongering hysteria, Bush had 911, and while Hitler had the Enabling Act to ream thru Parliament, Bush had the Patriot Act, which was based on the former.
I am just surprised nobody has accused Bush of plagiarizing Hitler, it is eery how closely he is following his historical steps.

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Codger

I suppose you could make a case for the Hegelian dialectic. But the same holds true for Clinton and every President before. The same tactics you speak of were used at the Waco massacre and alledgedly in OK. City. Hitler did not invent the dialectic, nor did Hegel. Hegel merely put a name to it and Hitler continued to use it. Look at our entry into WWII. Or the genocide against the Native Americans before that. Heck, you could say that Hitler was taking his cue from past U.S. policy and not be entirely wrong. Not entirely right, but.....