Obama's classmate speaks out! - Page 2

**Reba** · 07-12-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

FIFY:
from: What do the words

You can also find the same African definition at just about anywhere else.

There is also an Arabic variation, but if you are going to post that, you need to post the rest (including African) to be unbaised and fair.

That's interesting since there is no such thing as an "African" language. Africa is a continent with many countries and many languages (over 2,000) and dialects.

http://catdir.loc.gov/catdir/samples...2/99056881.pdf

Even the homeland of Obama's father, Kenya, has 62 languages.

Kenya - Language, Culture, Customs and Etiquette

AlleyCat · 07-12-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That's interesting since there is no such thing as an "African" language. Africa is a continent with many countries and many languages (over 2,000) and dialects.

http://catdir.loc.gov/catdir/samples...2/99056881.pdf

Even the homeland of Obama's father, Kenya, has 62 languages.

Kenya - Language, Culture, Customs and Etiquette

I never claimed there was an African language. I was only posting about a name. (In response to Koko's post.) My post (which you left out) says:

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Barack is an African name meaning “blessed.”

kokonut · 07-12-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

I never claimed there was an African language. I was only posting about a name. (In response to Koko's post.) My post (which you left out) says:

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Barack is an African name meaning “blessed.”

Saying "African name" doesn't mean much since as Reba pointed out there are over 2,000 languages in Africa. Not to mention the many ethnic groups there are. It is correct that Obama was given a Muslim name by his father.

**Reba** · 07-12-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

I never claimed there was an African language. I was only posting about a name. (In response to Koko's post.) My post (which you left out) says:

How can you have an African name without an African language? You certainly can't assign a translated meaning to a name if it doesn't belong to a language.

**Reba** · 07-12-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Saying "African name" doesn't mean much since as Reba pointed out there are over 2,000 languages in Africa. Not to mention the many ethnic groups there are. It is correct that Obama was given a Muslim name by his father.

Personally, I don't care what was the source or meaning of his name. We're all stuck with our names thru no choice of our own unless we change them as adults.

AlleyCat · 07-12-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

How can you have an African name without an African language? You certainly can't assign a translated meaning to a name if it doesn't belong to a language.

Ok, whatever. Google and read any site that discusses the name. You will find the very African connection I was referring to. But apparently that's of no matter - this thread was supposed to be about Obama's classmate.

kokonut · 07-12-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Personally, I don't care what was the source or meaning of his name. We're all stuck with our names thru no choice of our own unless we change them as adults.

I understand yet there are reasons why our names were chosen.

kokonut · 07-12-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

Ok, whatever. Google and read any site that discusses the name. You will find the very African connection I was referring to. But apparently that's of no matter - this thread was supposed to be about Obama's classmate.

Muslim Names for Boys

**Reba** · 07-12-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I understand yet there are reasons why our names were chosen.

Yes, but the receiver of those names has no choice as a baby.

My dad hated his name (his first and middle names were also surnames), so he always used his initials instead. Because he had a long, unusual name, he gave my brother and me very short names that couldn't be made into nicknames. To this day, I've never had a nickname, so I guess it worked.

(As you probably know, "Reba" is not my real name; my real name is even shorter.)

kokonut · 07-12-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yes, but the receiver of those names has no choice as a baby.

My dad hated his name (his first and middle names were also surnames), so he always used his initials instead. Because he had a long, unusual name, he gave my brother and me very short names that couldn't be made into nicknames. To this day, I've never had a nickname, so I guess it worked.

(As you probably know, "Reba" is not my real name; my real name is even shorter.)

Of course, which is why I said blame the father for that name.

I think everybody in our family is satisfied with their names.

Shorter than Reba? Hmm..... Al ?

Steinhauer · 07-12-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

I see you focused on only part of my list of issues. I will repeat them again:

Why was this man credited with "being a classmate" of Obama?
Why was AC's version edited to contain his middle name, a tactic I only see coming from the Right? Why the need to add this?

I never inferred that this man was lying> I am saying that the copy AC posted is dishonest. I am saying that the original author does not insist he "knows Obama" and quoted him above from Snopes.

He is entitled to his opinions, same as you or I. It is the emailed version of the original message, the OP, that contains falsehoods. And there have been others circulating the internet, many of them finding their way to my inbox. Since you seem to have honesty at the top of your integrity list (often referring to anything I post as made up, dishonest, etc) I would fully expect that criteria to apply to ALL posts contained in political debates.

And you are doing exactly what you are blaming the right of doing. Hypocrisy much?

By listing him as a "Fox News contributor" you are attempting to undermine what he has said and make him appear "evil" to those of your ilk.

We can split hairs.

And about Snopes claiming Root never knew Obama at Columbia? Snopes says that was false:

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Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever! Nobody recalls him. I'm not exaggerating, I'm not kidding.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp

So .... which one is it? Did he know Obama or not?

**saywhatkid** · 07-12-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

And you are doing exactly what you are blaming the right of doing. Hypocrisy much?

By listing him as a "Fox News contributor" you are attempting to undermine what he has said and make him appear "evil" to those of your ilk.

We can split hairs.

And about Snopes claiming Root never knew Obama at Columbia? Snopes says that was false:

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Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever! Nobody recalls him. I'm not exaggerating, I'm not kidding.

snopes.com: Barack Obama at Columbia

So .... which one is it? Did he know Obama or not?

Are you serious? You quoted text from the document that Snopes found to be false! You gotta be kidding me!

**saywhatkid** · 07-12-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I understand yet there are reasons why our names were chosen.

Meaning? He is Muslim? So the truth comes out; you expect his middle name to be used whenever someone writes a derogatory article about Obama. Very unsurprising.

**saywhatkid** · 07-12-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yes, but the receiver of those names has no choice as a baby.

Absolutely. So why do Right wingers insist on adding Obama's middle name to copyrighted materials?

**Jiro** · 07-12-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

And you are doing exactly what you are blaming the right of doing. Hypocrisy much?

By listing him as a "Fox News contributor" you are attempting to undermine what he has said and make him appear "evil" to those of your ilk.

We can split hairs.

And about Snopes claiming Root never knew Obama at Columbia? Snopes says that was false:

snopes.com: Barack Obama at Columbia

So .... which one is it? Did he know Obama or not?

*sigh*.....

ok Steinhauer..... help me to help you....

let's take this one step at a time so I'm going to ask you a very simple question - did you initially think the OP was referring to President Barack Hussein Obama?

Frisky Feline · 07-12-2012, 02:47 PM

Steinhauer · 07-12-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

*sigh*.....

ok Steinhauer..... help me to help you....

let's take this one step at a time so I'm going to ask you a very simple question - did you initially think the OP was referring to President Barack Hussein Obama?

Why don't you ask the OP - that would be the first step you "should" have taken.

But no, you can't resist the urge to troll can you?

Steinhauer · 07-12-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Are you serious? You quoted text from the document that Snopes found to be false! You gotta be kidding me!

Nope - not kidding. Snopes is claiming that the Root knew Obama while at Columbia.

So .... there.

**Jiro** · 07-12-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Why don't you ask the OP - that would be the first step you "should" have taken.

But no, you can't resist the urge to troll can you?

But I'm asking YOU, not OP. You're participating in this thread so I'm asking YOU if you initially thought the OP was about President Barack Hussein Obama.

I don't need to ask OP because he had already made it clear in his first few posts that it was referring to President Barack Hussein Obama but that's of no concern to me. I'm asking YOU.

AlleyCat · 07-12-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Are you serious? You quoted text from the document that Snopes found to be false! You gotta be kidding me!

Yeah. Right from the article it says:

"Root adds that he was also, like Obama, "Class of '83 political science, pre-law" and says, "You don't get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don't know anyone who ever met him."

**Reba** · 07-12-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Absolutely. So why do Right wingers insist on adding Obama's middle name to copyrighted materials?

Don't ask me; ask them.

**saywhatkid** · 07-12-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Don't ask me; ask them.

Been trying.

**saywhatkid** · 07-12-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Nope - not kidding. Snopes is claiming that the Root knew Obama while at Columbia.

So .... there.

This is from an article in Snopes, that was refuted by Snopes. You quoted from the refuted article, and presented it as fact. You are absolutely wrong, and you refuse to accept that fact.

In addition, I previously quoted from Snopes:

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Wayne Allyn Root merely attended Columbia University at the same time as Barack Obama did (and later claimed that neither he nor anyone he knew was familiar with Barack Obama at Columbia).

The real thing here is this; the email that AC posted was an altered article, written by a man that attended the same college as Barack Hussein Obama, but did not know him, and admitted that he did not know him. It was all part of another Right-Wing line of attack; the "He didn't attend Columbia University" crap. You should know that, since you quoted from the refuted article in Snopes that covered that pile of dishonesty.

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