Originally Posted by kristy2078

NOW you are getting off track and whacking around the bush and avoiding the heat. Can you honestly expect a president to just pick up the pieces and fix everything in four years? No citation needed there...

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Exactly! But numbers don't lie....all that money spent and we are in dreadful shape. All those broken promises are still out there.... no denying those. If you still want to vote for the guy that is your choice....

Originally Posted by kokonut

Not HW Bush but GW Bush.

Originally Posted by kristy2078

Broken promises and failures according to your beliefs.

Originally Posted by kristy2078

Don't forget Bush and the sub-prime issues. But you did prove my point that this didn't start during Obama's time.

George Bush warned Congress, for example, 17 times in 2008 alone about the FM and FM on the sub-prime mortgage mess.
Just the Facts: The Administration's Unheeded Warnings About the Systemic Risk Posed by the GSEs

Originally Posted by naisho

Not GW Bush, but HW Bush. That's direct from the sources.

Originally Posted by kokonut

The mortgage crisis? That started with Jimmy Carter and then it was Bill Clinton who opened the floodgates by expanding Carter's passed Community Re-investment Act by forcing banks to accept applications from those who really could not afford a house (i.e. unqualified borrowers) allowing them to buy bigger and more expensive houses. It was this whole Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mess with thanks to Carter and Clinton. It had helped create this housing bubble.

Obama choose not to get out of the Afghanistan war. Nearly 5 times as many deaths under Obama than Bush.

The Iraq war was approved by the United Nation as a way for a coalition of forces to force Hussein to comply with UN Resolutions after the Gulf War.

The Gulf War was approved by the United Nation for a coalition of armies from different nation to come together and oust Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait back to Iraq. Hussein started it.

Obamacare is designed to wipe Medicare out as an available option.

Originally Posted by kokonut

The mortgage crisis? That started with Jimmy Carter and then it was Bill Clinton who opened the floodgates by expanding Carter's passed Community Re-investment Act by forcing banks to accept applications from those who really could not afford a house (i.e. unqualified borrowers) allowing them to buy bigger and more expensive houses. It was this whole Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mess with thanks to Carter and Clinton. It had helped create this housing bubble.

Obama choose not to get out of the Afghanistan war. Nearly 5 times as many deaths under Obama than Bush.

The Iraq war was approved by the United Nation ("use of deadly force") as a way for a coalition of forces to force Hussein to comply with UN Resolutions after the Gulf War.

The Gulf War was approved by the United Nation for a coalition of armies from different nation to come together and oust Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait back to Iraq. Hussein started it.

Obamacare is designed to wipe Medicare out as an available option.

Originally Posted by naisho

You are not correct, in 1994 when Axelrod made the comment about Bush's golfing, it was the senior. GW Bush was yet to be in the office.

Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Not only that....banks were forced to put brick and mortar banks in neighborhoods where they could not thrive in order to be covered by FDIC. The problems with banks can all be traced back to Carter.

Originally Posted by kokonut

Again......this is about golfing during a bad economy.

Originally Posted by kokonut

This thread is about the hypocrisy of Axelrod on Bush's golfing while the economy was bad but strangely silent on Obama's. Not about handicaps.

Originally Posted by kokonut

Yet, the thread wasn't about that but the hypocrisy of Bush playing golf while the economy was bad as commented by Axelrod.

Originally Posted by kokonut

the OP thread discussing the hypocrisy on the golfing aspect by Axelrod towards Bush but remain silent about Obama.

Originally Posted by kokonut

That's what this thread is about...the hypocrisy of Axelrod towards Bush vs Obama on golfing.

Originally Posted by kokonut

And how does that relate to Obama/Bush playing golf during a bad economy?

Originally Posted by kokonut

Well, this thread is about Axelrod's hypocrisy between Bush and Obama on golfing.

Originally Posted by kokonut

The mortgage crisis? That started with Jimmy Carter and then it was Bill Clinton who opened the floodgates by expanding Carter's passed Community Re-investment Act by forcing banks to accept applications from those who really could not afford a house (i.e. unqualified borrowers) allowing them to buy bigger and more expensive houses. It was this whole Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mess with thanks to Carter and Clinton. It had helped create this housing bubble.

Obama choose not to get out of the Afghanistan war. Nearly 5 times as many deaths under Obama than Bush.

The Iraq war was approved by the United Nation ("use of deadly force") as a way for a coalition of forces to force Hussein to comply with UN Resolutions after the Gulf War.

The Gulf War was approved by the United Nation for a coalition of armies from different nation to come together and oust Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait back to Iraq. Hussein started it.

Obamacare is designed to wipe Medicare out as an available option.

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

All of those "friendly" reminders, then this:

So, it appears that my comments; "This is just another Obama bashing thread" were accurate. All of these threads start with some Obama negative, "Golfs too much, bows too low, cannot throw a strike" then expand to include whatever GOP propaganda you can fit under the hood before the thread is locked, or the crowd moves on.

OK. Guess I have had enough of this one. Better start a new one on his choice of food for Friday night dinner and movies. Or his tailor. Or his daughter's school grades. Or whatever...

Originally Posted by kokonut

One big mess with the fingerprints of Dodd and Frank.

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

All of those "friendly" reminders, then this:

So, it appears that my comments; "This is just another Obama bashing thread" were accurate. All of these threads start with some Obama negative, "Golfs too much, bows too low, cannot throw a strike" then expand to include whatever GOP propaganda you can fit under the hood before the thread is locked, or the crowd moves on.

OK. Guess I have had enough of this one. Better start a new one on his choice of food for Friday night dinner and movies. Or his tailor. Or his daughter's school grades. Or whatever...

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

And people line up to buy the books, watch the shows, buy the DVDs. Why should they stop?

Originally Posted by kristy2078

Your question is very subjective, because whatever answers I give, you will disagree because you don't agree with Obama's ideas.

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

All of those "friendly" reminders, then this:



So, it appears that my comments; "This is just another Obama bashing thread" were accurate. All of these threads start with some Obama negative, "Golfs too much, bows too low, cannot throw a strike" then expand to include whatever GOP propaganda you can fit under the hood before the thread is locked, or the crowd moves on.

OK. Guess I have had enough of this one. Better start a new one on his choice of food for Friday night dinner and movies. Or his tailor. Or his daughter's school grades. Or whatever...

Originally Posted by kokonut

No one is forcing you to read any particular thread or participate in one. BTW, I'm sure Obama can throw a strike. Just needs to move a little closer to the catcher.

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Kind of reminds you of the "blame Bush" crowd that got the current crook elected huh?

Invoking executive privilege to cover his own criminally embarrasing actions before Congress ....

Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Geez, people should just stop reading altogether. Then we can be in ignorant bliss.

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

As a paid member, I am entitled to read and reply where I wish. Thanks for the nudge towards the door though.

You seem to want to correct me when I mention anything other than Axelrod does not condemn Obama for golfing, but you are free to discuss the body counts in Afghanistan, mortgage crisis, Obamacare. When did you get the Golden Key to the political forum?

When Naisho posted every golf round, there was a whole lot of silence, folllowed by you reminding us that we should still criticize Axelrod. What's the matter, all those weekend golf dates he had make it more difficult to paint him a deadbeat for not showing up for work?

OK, next thread.

Originally Posted by kokonut

Of course you are entitled to read what you want. That's why I said no one is forcing you to read any particular threads. Meaning you have a choice. If you don't like it, well, then don't read it and complain incessantly about it. There are a lot of threads or posts I don't like but I don't go around mewling about some posters.

I already made clear about Axelrod and I agree with him that golfing during times when economy is bad presents a bad image problem for the President for the public to see. I mused and wondered what about Obama's golfing image? It'd be even worse because the economy is even worse. Doesn't matter if he golfs mostly on weekends.

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Well, what about the dates he golfed? Is there an issue with golfing 96% of the time on his weekend/vacation? What about the 4 rounds during the week? Should we chastize anyone that golfs more than once a week as rubbing our nose in their wealth?

The bottom line: I do not care how much golf Obama or Bush play(ed) during the economic difficulties. You only care that Obama keeps golfing, but based on your repeated threads that are derogatory regarding Obama, does it matter what he does? You were attacking him before he climbed down the Capitol steps, and it has never stopped. I don't even like the guy, yet I find myself refuting all the negative crap you constantly post here. When the election is over, are you willing to accept the outcome, no matter who stands on the victory podium? I am.

Keep researching. There are plenty of anti-Obama blogs being created as I type. Pick one, or several. Keep us entertained.

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Well, what about the dates he golfed? Is there an issue with golfing 96% of the time on his weekend/vacation? What about the 4 rounds during the week?

Originally Posted by naisho

I think his golfing dates were well within reason. That 90%+ of all golfing on weekends pretty much meant he used the sessions with better judgement for the dates chosen. A president should be working 'decent' hours like any man, not slaving laboring at his office 24/7 a week trying to fix problems. If he was playing in the middle of a business week, that's pretty much poor taste. But fortunately he never did anything like that except on vacations, which accounted for 1/4th of all his golf count.

If we had a prez who liked to have a big family event/BBQ/party/gathering on sundays after the church, what's that any different from Obama using several hours for golf on his Saturday/Sunday?

Originally Posted by kokonut

Which scenario would be more of an image problem? Him golfing every other weekend (Sat and Sun) and not be with his own family, or be with his family every Sunday after church and enjoying the company of other church members with brunch or BBQ? Just like the B/W photos above, I can tell you which would present an image problem. He desire more on golfing than be with his own family and wife over the weekends.

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Problem is,, I am not part of the "blame Bush" crowd. I gave him a chance. He had nearly a full term under his belt before I began to distrust his leadership direction. (Shock and Awe ring a bell?)

In comparison to some of you Righties, I look like Abby Hoffman. Sorry I don't have a shrine to Reagan in my basement. BTW, I expect you to get the "Please stay on the topic of Alexrod does not criticize Obama for his golfing" from our thread leader. Oh wait, you are allowed to toss more sidetracking materials, because they are pro-GOP.

Carry on.

Originally Posted by saywhatkid

This is like shooting fish in a barrel. Should I....

Originally Posted by Foxrac

Not all people go to church every Sunday.