"President out of touch....plays golf during bad economy..." - Page 4

**Jiro** · 06-19-2012, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

we are talking about how much free time presidents, is that hilariously serious???

and comically silly.

caz12 · 06-19-2012, 09:35 AM

how many pac of ciggies he get through.i would worry if he desperate for a puff during something important anyhow america may run better with no president for a few ,anyhow his wife into skipping

***naisho*** · 06-19-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Bush's golf claim angers veterans | World news | The Guardian

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According to a database held by CBS News the statement is not entirely accurate. He did cut short a round of golf at the 12th hole on that day, but his last recorded game came two months later, October 13.

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George Bush has angered US war veterans by declaring that out of solidarity with those who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq he decided to make his own sacrifice: giving up golf.

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Brandon Friedman, a veteran US infantry officer who served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, told the Press Association: "Thousands of Americans have given up a lot more than golf for this war. For President Bush to imply that he somehow stands in solidarity with families of American soldiers by giving up golf is disgraceful. It's an insult to all Americans and a slap in the face to our troops' families."

Friedman, who is vice chairman of the US veterans' organisation VoteVets, added: "It shows how disconnected he is from everyday Americans, especially those who are serving in Iraq."

Bush Says He's Not A Golfer In Wartime

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But Dallek, who is critical of the current president's legacy, said Bush's remarks about Iraq "speak to his shallowness." Dallek added: "That's his idea of sacrifice, to give up golf?"

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004190054

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Video captured Bush playing golf in 2002, 2003

Bush: "Now watch this drive." On August 4, 2002 -- several months after the United States began bombing Afghanistan -- Bush was filmed speaking to reporters on the golf course. Immediately after denouncing a suicide bombing in Israel, Bush said: "Now watch this drive," then took a swing.

Jeez, I never even knew he did this - this is saddening. The last comment takes the cake.

**saywhatkid** · 06-19-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I don't think time at White House West equates to the golf. And if it does we have to add in Obama's vacation time too. But, the key difference here is the hypocrisy....IMO

We agree. OK for GOP leaders to golf, hunt, travel; but not for Obama.

**saywhatkid** · 06-19-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Jeez, I never even knew he did this - this is saddening. The last comment takes the cake.

Maybe he was afraid for his life, exposed on the golf course during wartime. That might be his reason for taking a break. He had to spin it to make it appear he was doing the right thing. How is his handicap now?

**Jiro** · 06-19-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Jeez, I never even knew he did this - this is saddening. The last comment takes the cake.

can never forget his "now watch this drive" line.

kokonut · 06-19-2012, 01:59 PM

I say it does present a bad image for both presidents to play golf in times when the economy is bad. How come Axelrod cannot say the same thing for Obama? By the same convention would playing golf be ok when soldiers are dying in the Afghanistan war, for example? Like when you have nearly 3 times as many soldiers killed in the Afghanistan war during Obama's administration compared to Bush. At least Bush had in mind to quit golfing but not Obama. Hypocrisy much?

***naisho*** · 06-19-2012, 02:11 PM

Found the video. How did I miss this.

George Bush "Now, Watch This Drive" - YouTube

**Jiro** · 06-19-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Hypocrisy much?

whose?

and crab mentality much?

Frisky Feline · 06-19-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

and comically silly.

Purretty much!

kokonut · 06-19-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Found the video. How did I miss this.

George Bush "Now, Watch This Drive" - YouTube

That has been known for years. He had the presence in mind to stop playing golf. Glad he quit. He took accountability for that image issue. I can't say the same for Obama while the economy is bad and soldiers dying in greater number over in Afghanistan.

Edited to add: Also out of respect, too, he quit. He finally realized that.

Frisky Feline · 06-19-2012, 03:22 PM

**saywhatkid** · 06-19-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

That has been known for years. He had the presence in mind to stop playing golf. Glad he quit. He took accountability for that image issue. I can't say the same for Obama while the economy is bad and soldiers dying in greater number over in Afghanistan.

Edited to add: Also out of respect, too, he quit. He finally realized that.

Would it matter if Obama stopped golfing? Would your opinion of him improve?

Didn't think so. I'm surprised you haven't compared the golf handicaps of GOP vs Dems.

**saywhatkid** · 06-19-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I say it does present a bad image for both presidents to play golf in times when the economy is bad. How come Axelrod cannot say the same thing for Obama? By the same convention would playing golf be ok when soldiers are dying in the Afghanistan war, for example? Like when you have nearly 3 times as many soldiers killed in the Afghanistan war during Obama's administration compared to Bush. At least Bush had in mind to quit golfing but not Obama. Hypocrisy much?

Perhaps there are more soldiers dying in Afghanistan during Obama's years because he is not focusing on Saddam and the mysterious WMD. His term also included the execution of the Bin Laden, world's most wanted man. Could it be the priorities were rearranged?

kokonut · 06-19-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Would it matter if Obama stopped golfing? Would your opinion of him improve?

Didn't think so. I'm surprised you haven't compared the golf handicaps of GOP vs Dems.

I would've been impressed had he quit while he was already 50 golf rounds in realizing his folly....but, alas, he's up to 100 now.

This thread is about the hypocrisy of Axelrod on Bush's golfing while the economy was bad but strangely silent on Obama's. Not about handicaps.

kokonut · 06-19-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Perhaps there are more soldiers dying in Afghanistan during Obama's years because he is not focusing on Saddam and the mysterious WMD. His term also included the execution of the Bin Laden, world's most wanted man. Could it be the priorities were rearranged?

Yet, the thread wasn't about that but the hypocrisy of Bush playing golf while the economy was bad as commented by Axelrod. Yet he is strangely silent about Obama's golfing escapades during an even worse economy.

**saywhatkid** · 06-19-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I would've been impressed had he quit while he was already 50 golf rounds in realizing his folly....but, alas, he's up to 100 now.

This thread is about the hypocrisy of Axelrod on Bush's golfing while the economy was bad but strangely silent on Obama's. Not about handicaps.

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Yet, the thread wasn't about that but the hypocrisy of Bush playing golf while the economy was bad as commented by Axelrod. Yet he is strangely silent about Obama's golfing escapades during an even worse economy.

I thought it was about Obama and his golfing. How does GWB get the green light for admission, but my comments are considered off topic? You included body counts from the war...

kokonut · 06-19-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

I thought it was about Obama and his golfing. How does GWB get the green light for admission, but my comments are considered off topic? You included body counts from the war...

Golfing..sure. Just noting the hypocrisy. War is war. Yet he plays, no? Economy is worse than during Bush, but he continues to play, no? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. Is there a hypocrisy regarding what Axelrod said about Bush but remains mum about Obama's continued golfing?

rolling7 · 06-19-2012, 06:29 PM

Forget Axelrod. It is much more important to spotlight the hypocrisy of MM.

**Jiro** · 06-19-2012, 06:33 PM

Who is this Axelrod anyway? Why the fixation on him? What's the hype about him?

kokonut · 06-19-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

Forget Axelrod. It is much more important to spotlight the hypocrisy of MM.

Both.

whatdidyousay! · 06-19-2012, 06:50 PM

Now watch this drive! - YouTube

And Bush played golf during the war.

kokonut · 06-19-2012, 06:57 PM

Yeah, Naisho already posted that video. He acknowledged his golfing didn't look good. He quit after doing 27 (or 32 as some may say) rounds golf during his presidency. Wise move. You see, Bush stopped. Obama didn't and went on to play 100 rounds of golf instead despite the bad economy and among other things.

***naisho*** · 06-19-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Who is this Axelrod anyway? Why the fixation on him? What's the hype about him?

Some guy who was a political consultant in the 90's. Was Obama's advisor until he left his team 1.5 years ago. I think he just sits around as Obama's re-election honcho bashing GOP's these days.
He said some

on TV interview about HW Bush playing golf in '94 and apparently some guys on the web recently got pissed about it (18 years late), reuploaded his interview, and are pinning him for not saying anything about Obama's 100th tee-off.

kokonut · 06-19-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Some guy who was a political consultant in the 90's. Was Obama's advisor until he left his team 1.5 years ago. I think he just sits around as Obama's re-election honcho bashing GOP's these days.
He said some

on TV interview about HW Bush playing golf in '94 and apparently some guys on the web recently got pissed about it (18 years late), reuploaded his interview, and are pinning him for not saying anything about Obama's 100th tee-off.

Rather it's the not saying anything after his 30th round of golf despite an even worse economy. Just that it's interesting at the 100th round.....he's still quiet about it. Axelrod is rather well known in the Obama circle. Shouldn't be a mystery to those who are in the know.

**Jiro** · 06-19-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Some guy who was a political consultant in the 90's. Was Obama's advisor until he left his team 1.5 years ago. I think he just sits around as Obama's re-election honcho bashing GOP's these days.
He said some

on TV interview about HW Bush playing golf in '94 and apparently some guys on the web recently got pissed about it (18 years late), reuploaded his interview, and are pinning him for not saying anything about Obama's 100th tee-off.

oic..... so.... I'm still wondering why is one getting all hot and bothered about some buffoon named Axe-something?

I guess it must be nice to have a lot of free time.

**TXgolfer** · 06-20-2012, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Bush's golf claim angers veterans | World news | The Guardian

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Bush Says He's Not A Golfer In Wartime

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004190054

What about links showing he played golf during the bombing/war with Iraq? This link says his last round was in October 2002. Iraq started in March 2003

C.C.Sinned · 06-20-2012, 08:07 AM

I don't care if any president golfs, shoots hoops, hunts or goes fishing. if thier preformance is in office is subpar, then get the bonehead out of the oval office.

the money spent on extravagant vactions does bug me though.

**Jiro** · 06-20-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

What about links showing he played golf during the bombing/war with Iraq?

I already did.

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

This link says his last round was in October 2002. Iraq started in March 2003

you're confused...... better re-read these links slowly and carefully.

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Video captured Bush playing golf in 2002, 2003

Bush: "Now watch this drive." On August 4, 2002 -- several months after the United States began bombing Afghanistan -- Bush was filmed speaking to reporters on the golf course. Immediately after denouncing a suicide bombing in Israel, Bush said: "Now watch this drive," then took a swing.

Bush gave up golf; took up biking. On May 13, 2008, Politico reported that Bush said he gave up golf in August 2003, quoting him saying: "I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf. ... I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal." However, as The Washington Post reported, "Although Bush says he has given up golf, he is a mountain-biking enthusiast who has been photographed taking part in rides. He took up biking after an injury sidelined him from running." Bush was also seen playing golf in October 2003, as a video MSNBC aired shows.

so... why would he be announcing to the world that he'll sacrifice golfing because he did not want some mom whose son may have recently died to see him playing golf one year before the war?

Steinhauer · 06-20-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

I would've been impressed had he quit while he was already 50 golf rounds in realizing his folly....but, alas, he's up to 100 now.

This thread is about the hypocrisy of Axelrod on Bush's golfing while the economy was bad but strangely silent on Obama's. Not about handicaps.

That is because the left is blind to their double standards.

06-19-2012, 01:59 PM	#97 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	I say it does present a bad image for both presidents to play golf in times when the economy is bad. How come Axelrod cannot say the same thing for Obama? By the same convention would playing golf be ok when soldiers are dying in the Afghanistan war, for example? Like when you have nearly 3 times as many soldiers killed in the Afghanistan war during Obama's administration compared to Bush. At least Bush had in mind to quit golfing but not Obama. Hypocrisy much? __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 60,548	Who is this Axelrod anyway? Why the fixation on him? What's the hype about him? __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

06-19-2012, 06:57 PM	#113 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Yeah, Naisho already posted that video. He acknowledged his golfing didn't look good. He quit after doing 27 (or 32 as some may say) rounds golf during his presidency. Wise move. You see, Bush stopped. Obama didn't and went on to play 100 rounds of golf instead despite the bad economy and among other things. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

06-20-2012, 08:07 AM	#118 (permalink)
C.C.Sinned Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,476	I don't care if any president golfs, shoots hoops, hunts or goes fishing. if thier preformance is in office is subpar, then get the bonehead out of the oval office. the money spent on extravagant vactions does bug me though. rockin'robin and TXgolfer like this. __________________

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caz12 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,857	how many pac of ciggies he get through.i would worry if he desperate for a puff during something important anyhow america may run better with no president for a few ,anyhow his wife into skipping

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rolling7 Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,340	Forget Axelrod. It is much more important to spotlight the hypocrisy of MM.