Steinhauer

Do you recall all of the personal insults directed at Republicans over the past few years? The "Blame Bush" crowd?

The shredding of the Constitution? The "lets vote to pass it, and worry about what is in it later" Pelosi? The excessive spending and the tanking of the economy?

So yeah, I guess it is personal. Republicans have been demanding that our elected officials A) Practice Fiscal Responsibility - and were rewarded with a credit downgrade B) Govern according to the provisions of the United States Constitution - and we got Obamacare shoved down our throats.

That is just the tip of the iceberg - that is not even mentioning the unemployment rate.

The cries of the GOP being the party of "No" while they attempt to filibuster Congress, when a State Governor, instead of serving his constituents, has to defend his job in a wasteful recall vote.

So yeah, it is personal. I guess.

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Foxrac

The hate is strong word and that's very sad.

I don't hate him because of his political view but it is very difficult to make agreement. My feeling is hurt because he wants to deport both of you and me.

Our founding father is based on democracy, just known as liberal vs. moderate vs. conservative.

Our political system had been neoliberalism for many years before it getting more extreme and I wish that Americans understand about extreme have serious consequence. I'm biggest fond of moderate in political system but went diminished in 2010.

I'm unsure if I should blame on Obama for hurting the moderate and ruin the imagine of Democratic Party. I think mainstream media are big blame for bad influence on voters and back in 1970's, the local news were very neutral. I'm blaming on Koch Brothers for hurting the moderates because they threw a lot of money on politicians with extreme views.

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Foxrac

I don't know if you were sarcastic but saying hate is strong word.

It is nature of democracy - conservative vs. liberal.

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airportcop

But foxrac, isn't blocking the Republicans doing the same thing that you said the conservatives did? Don't blame the conservatives because they really seek to cut the budget and save our tax money for better things! I know that both sides are to blame. I'm very glad that Walker won. Such a waste of time and money!

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Foxrac

The liberal had been attacked by conservatives so make no difference when liberal attacks conservative - just nature of democracy.

It will be easier if GOP lets all of Obama policies go effect to see if our economy will be recovered with less unemployment, however the policies can be reversed if fail to improve. Now, most of Obama's policies are not effect yet because of filibuster in the senate and his approval rating is around high 40's to 50's, very similar to GWB in 2004.

If all of Obama policies are effect as economy fails to recover and can't reduce the unemployment so his approval rating could be much worse, probably 20's to 30's but... it won't happen because thanks to filibuster. It means Obama could be defeated in primary election, just like Truman did if his approval rating is very terrible.

Our constitution has nothing with these situation and only let Supreme Court to do their job to interpret the constitution so we don't know if it is unconstitutional or not.

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Foxrac

If GOP lets all of Obama policies go effect and if his policies fail so I will blame on Obama instead of GOP, however due to filibuster that put us to blame on somewhere.

The economist told me that economy stimulus needed to recover the economy but austerity measure could make recession so much longer and more unemployment. There are two paths for people to make choice - neither of paths will magically fix. I think that budget deficit can be fixed when economy is recovering as employment growing. I would hate to see when you get lay off if state or local cut anything because they don't get what they want. Some of good police officers in our city got laid off and I met one police officer that know about deaf people, also he is very nice but... got laid off and I don't see him anymore.

I agree with you about both sides are blame.

I don't care about Barrett loss and I think Barrett is crook but... Walker is just no good as Barrett, IMO because he has oddly on budget cut, especially cut on upper class tax bracket, give tax break on business and other issues. That why I rather to have moderate governor so he won't make odds on budget cut - just cut and be fair.

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Steinhauer

But Obama's policies did go into effect, and Obama's policies did fail.

Foxrac

No, not all of them, probably less than 50% goes effect.

Sometime, you have put all of policies to make success.

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TXgolfer

Good grief.... I can't imagine letting Obama spend more. That insane. He had 2 years of free reign and we are going to be paying for that for a long time. But at least turtles have bridges and we now know college guys don't like to wear condoms. thank goodness the GOP stopped that after 2 years.

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Like I said - economy stimulus could result in more debt - just part of consequence but if it is working so all of debt will pay off.

You have two paths to choice, it is all up to you and you don't have to call good grief, just like I explained in my post.

If Romney couldn't recover the economy and slow job market until reelection so it means one path isn't for you if you want to be fixed now. It looks like our economy will be not better until 2020 under austerity measure, pretty much like Japan did in 1990's.

That's sad about people don't understand and I think our government will back and forth between right and left like Obama lost in 2012, Romney lost in 2016, other democrat or republican lost in 2010, repeating with alternating of parties.

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Foxrac

Lastly, I'm just try my best to explain but I'm not worried if you disagree with me.

No hard feeling.

Honestly, I'm not encouraging you to vote for Obama or liberal politicians but... my role is just try to understand you.

I will be very sad if Obama lost and I will move on, just life goes on like I did with GWB for 8 years. No presidential election will bring to end my life and it will be same as always.

I'm very concerned about job because I'm college student that major in IT and I'm expected that I will get a job after graduation. I have long road to achieve my future goal.

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airportcop

But what if Obama's policies are bad for America? Should we then still pass them?!

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TXgolfer

It's like saying we should wait for the gun to fire because a guy waving a gun and yelling "I'm gonna shoot you all" hasn't enacted all of his policies. We saw enough to k ow where Obama was taking the economy....and it wasn't good.

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Jiro

*shrug*

lot of bad policies have been passed from each President. we're fine. *shrug*

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TXgolfer

We're fine? You have a strange definition of fine. I'll be sure to let all the beggars outside the stadium know.

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saywhatkid

So the solution is to go back to the type of leadership that got us in this mess? Let's increase the gap between the top and bottom? GOP all the way?

Why not simply make everyone pay the same dollar figure in taxes per year, no matter their salary? Everyone pays an equal share, say 1/240,000,000 of the total budget, with children tacked on. If you have 4 children and a wife, your family pays 6/240,000,000 of the budget, or 1/40,000,000th? That way, the poor would be so saddled with debt they would kill each other off for food and jobs, while the wealthy could buy up land to build Olympic-sized swimming pools in several locations within their walled areas? Just a short golf cart ride between them. Imagine the cheap wages they could pay these indentured workers to cut their grass, water the plants, etc? Halleluiah!

TXgolfer

We disagree on who got us into this mess. One thing that ihas been proven is that Obama is not the answer and he cannot be trusted.

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Jiro

I thought these beggars are not your problem?

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Jiro

who can be trusted to fix this mess?

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TXgolfer

They're not..... At least not in the legal sense. . They are however Obama's problem.

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Jiro

good. then there's nothing for you to be concerned about since you've got food and roof.

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TXgolfer

Wrong as usual.....

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Jiro

that's ok. your post says it all

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TXgolfer

Obviously you don't understand.... Imagine that. Keep on trolling!

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Jiro

then it's a presentation problem if I don't understand. please do clarify if you will.

you have stated such thing (beggar, welfare issue, etc.) is not your problem to Foxrac in other thread. and now are you saying it is? which one is it? I'm confused....... please do clarify unless this is your usual obtuse game.

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TXgolfer

Your post is not entirely accurate. Regardless.....

Very simple. These people are not my problem.... At least in the legal sense = Are not/should be my TAX burden.

I am still entitled to be against a man whose policies have people unemployed for longer than ever before and has driven more people to food stamps than ever before. Especially when this man wants these people to be part of my tax burden when I could give that money to charities that have a better track record.

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TXgolfer

Good luck! We're all counting on you.

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