Foxrac

Who cares about Palin? She's crook and bullshit.

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Steinhauer

And the more we talk about this, the less the voting public talks about the economy (which is the real election issue).

I, for one, am very glad Obama took this stance. It only means he will not get re-elected.

Foxrac

That's your wish.

Obama support on gay marriage isn't going affect his reelection, however economy is one of most important. Majority of Americans support gay marriages today.

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Steinhauer

We have discussed the whole issue of gay marriage in other threads. Let me ask you a couple of questions that maybe you haven't considered before:

1. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a blind person their right to drive, and obtain a driver's license?

2. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a person whom is mentally challenged - their right to obtain an extremely highly functional and dangerous job?

3. Suppose you have a brain tumor and require surgery. Would you allow a highly educated brain surgeon whom has Parkinson's to perform surgery on you?

Keep in mind, each illustration I provided listed an individual with a physical limitation. This does not make them lesser of a person.

Is it hateful bigotry to deny them what others are allowed to do?

saywhatkid

What do any of these cases have to do with same sex marriages?

Steinhauer

First, I was asking Foxrac. Second, after the questions have been answered truthfully and honestly, I will explain the correlation

Foxrac

What do questions have related to this thread?

I'm not going answer the questions to save embarrassment because I don't understand any of questions that you asked.

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Reba

Huh?

Jiro

blind people were not denied of their rights to drive. it's because they could not pass a required vision test.

mentally-challenged people were not denied of employment based on their mental status. it's because they could not do what the job requires of them.

a surgeon is not legally allowed to perform a surgery if impaired or disabled.

ah yes.... another usual case of nonsense with these usual illogical and convoluted questionings & examples of yours... I truly pity you.

Why don't I help you then to come up with relevant and pertinent examples?

Is it a hateful bigotry to deny gay people of equal rights to marriage that heterosexual people are allowed to have?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny gay people of equal rights to adopt a child that heterosexual people are allowed to?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny women of equal rights to vote and driving that men were allowed to in the past?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny black people of equal rights to everything that white men were allowed to have in the past?

Perhaps you forgot this line from Declaration of Independence.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

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Steinhauer

I am not talking about the past ... I am talking about the present. What is the present legal definition of marriage? Voted on and passed by the American people?

What was the definition of marriage in the 20th century BC? Before government intervention in marriage?

edit to add: Just a few observations - no finger pointing, just valid observations backed up by facts. When the left indoctrinates a political agenda, they call it "education". When the right educates using facts backed by historical proveable records, the left calls it hateful indoctrination.

When Mitt Romney changed his mind, the left called it "flip flopping"

When Obama changed his mind, the left called it "evolving".

Foxrac

for answer his unusual question since I don't understand his questions. I just see his questions as totally unrelated to this thread and I don't have experience about 2nd and 3rd questions.

Speaking about blind people, that's true but depends on person, some blind people could drive under special circumstance. There are new technology about driveless car allows blind people to do independently.

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Jiro

nope. not quite the same thing.

failing a required test is not the same as being denied by government or employment when they do actually qualify. denying them of their rights based on race, sex, age, disability, national origin, religion, or sexual orientation is a hateful bigotry.

So that means you're saying DUI Law is illegal and discriminative?

I'll pray for you.

Please do pray tell - what is it?

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Steinhauer

That is great news.

Jiro

such as?

and when the left educates using facts backed by historical, provable records... what do the right calls it as?

and what do the right calls it as?

and what do the right calls it as?

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Foxrac

An openly gay Mitt Romney donor has decided to pull his support for the presumptive GOP nominee and instead support President Obama's reelection bid, citing the former Massachusetts governor's opposition to same-sex marriage as a dealbreaker.

"I feel that I no longer wish to support your presidential campaign and ask you that you please return the maximum contribution that I gave to you last year," Bill White wrote in a letter to Romney, according to a report by CNN. "You have chosen to be on the wrong side of history and I do not support your run for president any longer."

White, a registered independent who runs a New York-based consulting firm, had given $2,500 to the Romney campaign.

White made his decision following Obama's announcement last week that he supports same-sex marriage. While he clarified to CNN that he does not agree with the president on fiscal issues, White said that Romney's speech during Liberty University's commencement on Saturday led him to believe that Romney would press for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage -- a position that White simply cannot support.

"I feel like [Romney has] declared war on my marriage," White said. "And I could just sit back and not say anything. Or I could do something about it. And I've chosen to do something about it."

During the Liberty commencement address, Romney reiterated his belief that marriage should be "between one man and one woman," despite an influential GOP pollster's warning that such a stance could prove to be politically risky as support for same-sex marriage grows.

Obama's campaign has sought to draw on that growing support by highlighting the "strong contrast" between the president and Romney. One day before Romney's speech, the Obama team's director of religious outreach, Rev. Derrick Harkins, said that Obama stands for "values like loving our neighbors, being our brother's and sister's keeper and dignity for all," a reference to the president's stance on same-sex marriage.

Gay Donor Pulls Support From Mitt Romney Over Gay Marriage, Asks For Money Back

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Foxrac

Republican Party platform has anti-gay rights since Democratic Party doesn't have anti-gay rights on their platform.

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kokonut

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us...tics.html?_r=1
Interesting....

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

Steinhauer

25% of former Obama voters are saying they are not going to vote for Obama again because of his recent flip flop.

He has alienated African American Christians (which were most of his supporters in 2008).

Steinhauer

Obama Gay Marriage Support Leaves Black Churches Conflicted

Foxrac

No, that's not what article was saying.

It doesn't mention about "former Obama voters".

The black voters are unchanged after Obama support gay marriage and they said that they are not going lose the votes for Obama to disagree on one issue, however they said there are many other reasons that they sticking with Obama.

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kokonut

He didn't flip flop.

He...."evolved."

And I laugh.

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Foxrac

It doesn't means black people will switch their vote to Republican Party because they have many issues to disagree with Republican Party.

I found a quote from your article.

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Foxrac

Anti-Obama, especially you called flip flop.

I think you love to make bullshit at us.

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Steinhauer

Actually, yes, most Christians will vote for Mitt Romney now, even though they would not normally vote for a Mormon.

Look at the polls .... just saying

Obama stated this for political reasons only, to gain fundraisers. But ... he is going to lose a lot of votes. nothing to sneeze at.

kokonut

Interesting...though not surprised. North Carolina will be an interesting state to watch.

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kokonut

The economy and jobs have consistently been the number one issue today in this election year. And it has been for quite awhile.
Priorities

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Foxrac

No, not true for black voters and they are not going change their vote. The Huffington Post had posted few different articles over weekend about black people's voice. They are not going vote for Mitt Romney because of gay marriage. It is very ridiculous for people to vote on president because of issue with gay marriage and most Americans are not concerned about gay marriage, however economy is...

You said polls don't matters to you so it doesn't matters to you either. The polls don't mention about black voters, all other bullshit that you mentioned in your post. It is just saying about political reasons, that it and it doesn't saying about Republican Party. Obama said on ABC interview that supporting gay marriage is his personal, though.

That's your dream about losing a lot of voters but that's not going happen, except for some independent voters due to economy reason, not gay marriage.

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Foxrac

There are overwhelming religious white people helped constitution ban to pass so those one will not pass with religious black people only.

There are nearly 40% black people backed gay marriage, just up from 20's in 2008.

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Foxrac

That's correct.

I support Obama - not because of gay marriage, I support his policies on economy, fiscal, jobs, welfare, healthcare, etc.

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saywhatkid

Jeopardy!

That took about 10 seconds.